Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-11-18 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 18. 10. 2014 03:20:25 je Joel Rees napisal(a): When I look at systemd, the fundamental design and structure fly in the face of reason. I'm not trying to be insulting when I say that. For some of us it really does fly in the face of reason. I second that. Some terms that have been used t

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 09:32:31AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > >>Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > >>it shouldn't be a issue. > >Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastruc

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 03:16:59PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >- the LSB is a joint project of several Linux distributions. Ironically: > > > > "The LSB has been criticized for not taking input from projects, most > > notably the Debian project, outside the spher

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subjec

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:25:31 +0200 Ludovic Meyer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just > > >to make you're point that's likely to get you ba

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > Even with the addition 10 to 20 people posting on systemd, > it shouldn't be a issue. Andrei's point was not that the list /infrastructure/ was at risk, but that debian-user - this list - was essentially subject to a denial of servic

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "Li

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/10/14 05:24, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: > Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve > the choice of init systems" ? > http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png ? ---8<--->8 Please don't top post. Kind regards -

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/10/14 00:49, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: >>> On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 04:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anythi

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 16:49:48, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to > >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not > >achieving anything. > > ~OR!~ > > "List archives ge

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not achieving anything. ~OR!~ "List archives get refreshed every 20 minutes." is a more likely reason for the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: We were objecting to the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things some

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/20/2014 01:27 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Slavko wrote: Ahoj, napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people stil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/19/2014 04:32 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So,

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 14:27:59, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > >>communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > >>So, for exampl

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Okay, no problem... Tks for your reply!:-) On 20 October 2014 16:31, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other > than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make > it policy to stay away from systemd. > > Sigh..

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 13:52:37, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Not to me. All these discussions could very well happen on the > > -offtopic list. > > Sure it can. Every single status-quo supporter in history has told > protestors the same thing: If you want to ride on the front of the bus, > petition the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Unfortunately, unless you're a Debian Developer, the answer is no - other than with your feet - to one of the dwindling number of distros that make it policy to stay away from systemd. Sigh Miles Fidelman Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not really

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Sorry about the newbie question but, can I vote somewhere to "preserve the choice of init systems" ? I would like to firm my position, not against systemd but, instead, in favor of the preservation of Debian's stability and future, by being able to choose a init system during the installation (d-i

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:15:47 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > > > Does this help explain why what appears to some as mere turf battles > > and childish name-calling, etc., is a bit more than playground > > antics? > > Not to me. All these discussions

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 20 oct 14, 09:49:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Well, it's worth noting that in many areas of endeavor, users, or user > communities, write specifications/standards that all players have to meet. > So, for example, when one buys an ethernet card - vendors really do not > really have a choice

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 oct 14, 10:20:25, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > We were objecting to > > the ad hominem unpleasantness and destruction of the list. > > Let me try to explain (yet again, sorry, but re-wording things > sometimes does help) my point of view

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/10/14 01:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Did they successed with wayland? I just took a look at weston and it seems to be linked to stuffD... and with Dbus, when I thought I had read time ago things about them using a home-made bus, because they thought dbus was too heavy... I hope

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you off

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/10/14 04:03, Martin Read wrote: > On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: >> As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch >> falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks >> off your seafront house? >> >> If you are taking offense, who are you offended by?

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2014 07:06, Steve Litt a écrit : If they vote "no" on the GR, then I think that unless Red Hat succeeds in systemdizing X itself, we'll (meaning those of us who care) will replace systemd-contaminated software with init-agnostic software. And for sure, boycott all systemd-dependent sof

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-20 Thread Rusi Mody
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:50:02 PM UTC+5:30, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > Slavko wrote: > > Ahoj, > > napísal: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [sni

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Marty
On 10/19/2014 01:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric From what I read, it will be

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's author

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all > of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I > hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric >From what I read, it will be one all debian devs (package maintain

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/10/14 17:45, Rusi Mody wrote: As for 'wounded ego': Do you have a wounded ego if a dead branch falls and smashes the windshield of your car? Or a Tsunami knocks off your seafront house? If you are taking offense, who are you offended by? Debian is not a person (as far as I know!) Debian

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Rusi Mody
On Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > napísal: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-19 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:09:59 -0400 Dan Ritter napísal: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 02:50:12PM -0300, Andre N Batista wrote: > > But if what you need is authority arguing for authority, instead of > useless user words, well that's what's happening here: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00061.html > > If you were able to read beyond the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 18 October 2014 18:50:12 Andre N Batista wrote: > Beside the quotes on top, I've seen you say this same mantra over and > over the past months on your battle to shut down any complaining related > to the rabbit. Your main line has been from the start: devs are so cute, No, devs do the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Andre N Batista
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:20:25AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote:

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Martin Read
On 18/10/14 02:38, Steve Litt wrote: I would add that it should be delegated to an interchangeable part through a well-specified thin interface, without global variables like dbus. Or, if there *must* be a global variable, at least make it purposed only for interaction between init and program, a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2014-10-18 at 21:13 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: [...] > > The list will likely be empty, I'm afraid. The whole point of the GR is > > that its proponents can make any required work SEP if it succeeds. > > SEP? Google is no

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-18 10:13 +0200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: >> >> The list will likely be empty, I'm afraid. The whole point of the GR is >> that its proponents can make any required work SEP if it succeeds. > > SEP? Google is no help. I mea

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:20PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: > > > On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >>> I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 > >>> seconds. > >> > >

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:20:16AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > Here are the first few seconds: Isn't this information available on the debian-vote list? Seems redundant to repost it here. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and l

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-18 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:26 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/18/2014 12:59 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: /snip/ I think that depends on what solution you propose, smart people listen. AMEN! I can say that I long ago upgraded to Jessie/systemd so that I could be the first to yell about it. I'm still looking at

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:06 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.deb

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:06:53 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 > > Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > >>> On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> > > What's the

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 10:12 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:26:11 -0400 Doug wrote: > /Snip/ > > That's not the problem. A few people have recognized the problem(s). > 1--Putting all your eggs (programs) in one basket. Making almost > everything have a dependency on systemd. Registry, anyone? > 2--Forcing the entire Linux communit

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Doug
On 10/18/2014 12:59 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > /snip/ > > I think that depends on what solution you propose, smart people listen. AMEN! > > >> I can say that I long ago upgraded to Jessie/systemd so that I could be >> the first to yell about it. I'm still looking at a 4 monitor/ 2 video >> car

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:59:44 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > >> > >> What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of > >> time to test other init-systems. > > > > You use KDE. Where you th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 18:52:32 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: > > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >> - Original Message - > > > >>> Now let's see what happens with this! > >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/201

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 08:44 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 10:22 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: What's the hurry, Squeeze is good until 2016, we have plenty of time to test other init-systems. You use KDE. Where you there when KDE3 became KDE4 and broke our hearts? What a flame fest that was. Yet, you

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Ric Moore wrote: On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/17/2014 07:54 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting.

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:20:25 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > According to what I understand as an engineer, everything that systemd > does beyond the minimum (in other words, beyond being the ultimate > backstop for signals and dying orphaned processes) should be > delegated. I would add that it should

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: >> > > I cannot believe some people still >> > > thinks [snip] tha

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Buntunub
Good work Ian. It is a well framed GR, and thank you to the seconds. The previous post about the Social Contract is spot-on. I believe the majority of folks who use Debian, do so because of the freedom of choice it provides in their computing environment. We should not ever allow for or accommodat

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 21:09:59 Dan Ritter wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > > I cannot believe some people still > > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > > the TC's authority reg

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Dan Ritter wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: I cannot believe some people still thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? Refe

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 07:02:12PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > > I cannot believe some people still > > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > > the TC's authority regardless what. > > Surely no-one has ever said that?? Referenc

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-10-17 21:42 +0200, Ric Moore wrote: > On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. >> >> Guess I missed some sub threads or something... >> >> Oh well, glad to see it wil

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Ric Moore
On 10/17/2014 01:32 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... The fun part will be to see who actually s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds Abso-Lutely! [snip] > However the contentiousness of this case clearly

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 17 October 2014 18:30:31 Andre N Batista wrote: > I cannot believe some people still > thinks [snip] that we should simply stick with > the TC's authority regardless what. Surely no-one has ever said that?? References if someone has? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > Seconds continue > > Bernhard R. Link > Dimitri John Ledkov > Arnaud Fontaine > Thorsten Glaser > > And once again loud cheers for Ian Jackson and the seconds > > Some like Charles Plessy are distressed that this may be > de-motivatin

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > I finished the thread right before I posted, and there were only 4 seconds. Guess I missed some sub threads or something... Oh well, glad to see it will get a vote... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 1:01 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt >> wrote: > >>> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >>> for (what I call) sanity. >> >> Still only 4 seconds though... > > Eh? > > I s

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Andre N Batista
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:01:44PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > > wrote: > > >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up > >> for (what I call) sanity. > > > > Still only 4 seconds th

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 10:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > Now let

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Tanstaafl" > > Still only 4 seconds though... Not true: https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00012.htm There was an alternate proposal made by the Debian Leader. That may have only gotten 4 seconds (I didn't count), but apparently it does not

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/17/2014 at 12:38 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> Thank you Ian, and the seconders, and everyone who is speaking up >> for (what I call) sanity. > > Still only 4 seconds though... Eh? I see at least 8 seconds so far, even if we ignore one which may n

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:38:12 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > > Rusi Mody wrote: > > > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > >>> - Original Message - > >> > Now let's

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Tanstaafl
On 10/17/2014 12:21 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) > Rusi Mody wrote: > >> On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: >>> - Original Message - >> Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 07:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Rusi Mody wrote: > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > > > Very interesting di

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
Rusi Mody wrote: On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - Now let's see what happens with this! https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson a

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rusi Mody
On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:00:02 PM UTC+5:30, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html > Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. > -Rob Thank you Ian Jackson and al

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

2014-10-17 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: goli...@riseup.net > > Now let's see what happens with this! > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg1.html Very interesting discussion there. Thanks for posting. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with