Re: Debian stable - updates

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:46:58 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Joe writes: > > When I'm sufficiently > > annoyed with the problem I'll do a reinstall but there are over 4000 > > packages... > > While I don't upgrade daily it's bad to let it get that far behind. I do upgrade pretty much daily. I mean

Re: Debian stable - updates

Joe writes: > When I'm sufficiently > annoyed with the problem I'll do a reinstall but there are over 4000 > packages... While I don't upgrade daily it's bad to let it get that far behind. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian stable - updates

On 2021-06-27 at 03:48, Francesco Florian wrote: > On Sa, 26 Jun 2021, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> [1] unless you're one of those still running dist-upgrade for every >> security update, just because `apt-get` doesn't install new >> packages by default. > > Actually, I'm one of those running on

Re: Debian stable - updates

On 27-06-2021 18:01, Joe wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 08:12:07 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > >> Andrei writes: >> > Unstable is challenging when you rely on that system for any kind of >> > useful work, regardless if a movie night with friends or a big >> > presentation at work, as each and every

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 08:12:07 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > Andrei writes: > > Unstable is challenging when you rely on that system for any kind of > > useful work, regardless if a movie night with friends or a big > > presentation at work, as each and every upgrade has the potential to > > break you

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Sa, 26 Jun 2021, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > [1] unless you're one of those still running dist-upgrade for every > security update, just because `apt-get` doesn't install new packages by > default. Actually, I'm one of those running on testing, since I believe it's stable enough for my workflow o

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Andrei writes: > How do you determine the "safe and necessary"? I follow the security list and scan -dev for warning of such things as major transitions. I upgrade individual packages as needed (usually Firefox): this occasionally leads to a general upgrade. I pay attention to the output of "apt

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Sb, 26 iun 21, 08:12:07, John Hasler wrote: > Andrei writes: > > Unstable is challenging when you rely on that system for any kind of > > useful work, regardless if a movie night with friends or a big > > presentation at work, as each and every upgrade has the potential to > > break your system

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Andrei writes: > Unstable is challenging when you rely on that system for any kind of > useful work, regardless if a movie night with friends or a big > presentation at work, as each and every upgrade has the potential to > break your system in new and interesting ways. I've run Unstable on my des

Re: Debian stable - updates

Hi and a very good day to all of you, 😁 thank you very much for the new input of yours. You're too kind. @T.J. Duchene: Thanks a lot for the warm welcome. That' s really nice. I enjoy it very much here. Your instruction to update policies used by Debian stable is very good; I understand it

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Vi, 25 iun 21, 15:50:56, steve wrote: > Le 25-06-2021, à 06:38:32 -0600, D. R. Evans a écrit : > > > For years I have run debian stable on my main desktop machine (the one I > > am using to type this e-mail). It has had fewer major issues than any > > other distribution I have tried. > > Some

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Vi, 25 iun 21, 15:02:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Christian wrote: > > Hi altogether, > > [...] > > > I quote: > > > [...] There is a tradeoff, though. The software in Debian Stable is > > usually fairly outdated. > > In fact, it's usually outdated w

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Vi, 25 iun 21, 20:44:51, Francesco Florian wrote: > > You may want to change all instances of 'buster' to 'stable', so that > you don't have to bother changing it whenever new version of debian is > released as stable. > This is, if you really want to track 'stable', i.e., automatically > sw

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Friday, June 25, 2021 7:19:34 AM CDT Christian wrote: > Hi altogether, > > as I´m a newcomer to Debian and coming from Lubuntu I searched for > information as far as the release model is concerned. > > I learned that there are three different releases: stable, testing, and > unstable. > > I k

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 03:18:06PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hi Tomas, > > thank you so much for your reply. > > > Thing is: "stable" means [...]  Only bug fixes and security patches go in. > > Great! That is the most important aspect for me. > I really don't need the latest-and-greatest version

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 03:06:57PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hi Doc Evans, > > thanks a lot for your reply. > > That´s great news indeed. > The fact that Debian stable is rock solid is a great asset in itself. So > together with security updates it will surely make for a fine production > system

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:44:51PM +0200, Francesco Florian wrote: > On Fr, 25 Jun 2021, Christian wrote: > > > I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this: > > 1     # > > 2 > > 3     # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 > > xfce-CD Binary-1 2021

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On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 08:44:51PM +0200, Francesco Florian wrote: > You may want to change all instances of 'buster' to 'stable', so that you > don't have to bother changing it whenever new version of debian is released > as stable. STRONG disagree! You don't want that, because it means that

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On Fr, 25 Jun 2021, Christian wrote: > I looked up  the respective file on my system and it looks like this: > 1     # > 2 > 3     # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 > xfce-CD Binary-1 20210327-10:42]/ buster main > 4 > 5     #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.9.0 _Buster_

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Hi Greg, thank you very much for your help. It's highly appreciated. It's so good to have have some confirmation by such knowledgeable people like you. So for now I think I won't have to change anything as I'm currently running Debian stable in a virtual machine. Yet when setting it  up as a

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 06:11:17PM +0200, Christian wrote: > I see. So in case I want it I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" in line > 7 first. > > Perhaps I'm a bit slow to understand, but what about lines 8, 11, 14 and 15 > then? All these also contain just "main". Would they have to be alt

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Hi Greg, thank you so much for your very quick reply. > It's not necessary at this time. Good to know. I see. So in case I want it I'd have to add "contrib" and "non-free" in line 7 first. Perhaps I'm a bit slow to understand, but what about lines 8, 11, 14 and 15 then? All these also cont

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 05:55:18PM +0200, Christian wrote: > On https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure under "Keeping your > Debian system secure" it says: > > "You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This requires a > line such as deb http://security.debian.org/debian-

Re: Debian stable - updates

Hi again, so sorry to bother you kind people once more. It turns out I've got an additional question regarding  updates. On https://www.debian.org/security/#keeping-secure under "Keeping your Debian system secure" it says: "You can use apt to easily get the latest security updates. This re

Re: Debian stable - updates

Le 25-06-2021, à 06:38:32 -0600, D. R. Evans a écrit : For years I have run debian stable on my main desktop machine (the one I am using to type this e-mail). It has had fewer major issues than any other distribution I have tried. Some even say that Debian is becoming annoying for that very r

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Hi Didar, thanks for your opinion as well. Good to learn there are so many users satisfied with Debian stable. Many greetings. Rosika

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 06:38:32AM -0600, D. R. Evans wrote: > Christian wrote on 6/25/21 6:19 AM: > > > > > > Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security > > updates for the installed packages? > > > > Yes, it does get security updates. It also gets non-security up

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Hi Tomas, thank you so much for your reply. > Thing is: "stable" means [...]  Only bug fixes and security patches go in. Great! That is the most important aspect for me. I really don't need the latest-and-greatest version of packages. All I do need is a stable and secure system. So Debian s

Re: Debian stable - updates

Hi Doc Evans, thanks a lot for your reply. That´s great news indeed. The fact that Debian stable is rock solid is a great asset in itself. So together with security updates it will surely make for a fine production system especially for older computers like my Lenovo H520e desktop. Thank you

Re: Debian stable - updates

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Christian wrote: > Hi altogether, [...] > I quote: > [...] There is a tradeoff, though. The software in Debian Stable is > usually fairly outdated. > In fact, it's usually outdated when the distribution first ships. > Now, that's not much of a problem fo

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Christian wrote on 6/25/21 6:19 AM: Is Debian stable safe to use - I mean in the sense that it gets security updates for the installed packages? Yes, it does get security updates. It also gets non-security updates for some of the most popular packages. For years I have run debian stable o

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 04:04:29PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/23/21 12:31 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 10:40:01AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > > > I use Stretch for my daily driver laptop (Dell Latitude E6520) and UniFi > > > Controller VPS. ... > >

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 3/23/21 12:31 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 10:40:01AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I use Stretch for my daily driver laptop (Dell Latitude E6520) and UniFi Controller VPS. ... I need to migrate the daily driver to Buster, but Buster does not like the Optimus grap

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 10:40:01AM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 3/23/21 9:44 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 07:52:52 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2021-03-23 at 07:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > > I think the request was really "Please tell us how to use th

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 3/23/21 9:44 AM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 07:52:52 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-03-23 at 07:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: I think the request was really "Please tell us how to use this buster-proposed-updates thing, which I've never heard of before." Actually I thought

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 09:31:52 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 3/22/21 8:34 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 17:26:14 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > > > On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: > > > > > > > As o[f] > > > > now it will include the following bug fixes. Th

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Tue 23 Mar 2021 at 07:52:52 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-23 at 07:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > I think the request was really "Please tell us how to use this > > buster-proposed-updates thing, which I've never heard of before." Actually I thought David wanted to do what I did, w

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 3/23/21 4:43 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:34:12PM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 17:26:14 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: As o[f] now it will include the following bug fixes. They can be found in "buster- pro

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 3/22/21 8:34 PM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 17:26:14 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: As o[f] now it will include the following bug fixes. They can be found in "buster- proposed-updates", which is carried by all official mirrors. Plea

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Ma, 23 mar 21, 07:52:52, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-23 at 07:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > I think the request was really "Please tell us how to use this > > buster-proposed-updates thing, which I've never heard of before." > > > > Here's a wiki page:

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 2021-03-23 at 07:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: > I think the request was really "Please tell us how to use this > buster-proposed-updates thing, which I've never heard of before." > > Here's a wiki page: > However, I would not follow its advice litera

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 10:34:12PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 17:26:14 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > > On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: > > > > > As o[f] > > > now it will include the following bug fixes. They can be found in "buster- > > > proposed-updates", wh

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 17:26:14 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: > > > As o[f] > > now it will include the following bug fixes. They can be found in "buster- > > proposed-updates", which is carried by all official mirrors. > > Please provide a URL. Do you

Re: Debian Stable Updates Announcement SUA 197-1

On 3/22/21 5:03 PM, Keith Wyatt wrote: As o now it will include the following bug fixes. They can be found in "buster- proposed-updates", which is carried by all official mirrors. Please provide a URL. David