Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Tue, Jan 11 2022 at 01:37:22 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >> On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > But if I let it start itself automatically on demand, then it works >> > straight out of the gate wit

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 02:52:10 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > What version of Debian? > > > > According to /etc/debian_version 9.3... > > > > I hope that's 9.13 - so updated as at 2020-07-18. You're correct. I have a pair of glasses here that are "for the computer" and in general I a

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > I don't do anything much under debian that needs to have sound working, so I > hadn't

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > But if I let it start itself automatically on demand, then it works > > straight out of the gate with no issues. So far, anyway! > > How does that "on demand" th

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 12:27:39 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and > > > > the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and > > > the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what > > > gets started up that I don't see any nee

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's > > started by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start > > manually at s

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I've run nothing but linux since 1999, starting with Slackware 4.0, and > > upgrading to newer versions from time to time. Early on I had no sound > > card in the machine that I was using, and did not implement a GUI to start

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's started > by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start manually at > some point later on does. Pulse Audio is still quite mysterious to m

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 08:18:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > What I'm not clear on at this po

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 08:18:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > > > me in system monitor includes

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > > me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess that to > > be the problem, but why

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > Running pulseaudio --start fixed that problem, but now I show two instances > of it runninng. > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess tha

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-03 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 02 January 2022 09:56:14 pm David Wright wrote: > On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > Yeah, except that I don't run KDE. I do have it installed, to be able to > > access certain programs

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-02 Thread David Wright
On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an opt

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-24 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Wednesday 22 December 2021 11:21:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a c

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of > > > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-22 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > Well, sound on the Debian side of things works, as in playing youtube > > > videos and such. It doesn't work in the Slackware virtualbox, which is > > > apparently trying to connect to Pulseaudio. Going through the Xfce

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-20 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 19 December 2021 05:48:12 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That wo

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > > account for the guest OS not b

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it... As far as I'm aware there is no default sou

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit", which I would do, > > > > and then within a few seconds it w

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread Dan Ritter
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Chiming in from the peanut gallery: My preference is to obtain a new (to me) > system, install the version of the OS I want on it, get it working, get > comfortable with it, then migrate my data to the new machine. ... > I have very little tolerance for not having

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, December 17, 2021 11:53:20 AM David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:56:22 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > But I can't help thinking of someone laying a carpet before they've > painted the ceiling, or vacuuming the floor before dusting the furniture. > Better to create jus

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-17 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:56:22 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > > > encourag

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:49:36 -0500 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > You don't do regular backups? > > > > I recommend them. > > Configuring Amanda is on my list, here. Good. Perhaps more to think about than you want. ... https://charlescurley.com/blog/posts/2019/Nov/02/backups-on-linux/ -

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 December 2021 06:00:19 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > I would seriously suggest upgrading from 9 to at least 10. You might sort > > > out some of the issues but, more > > > import

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > I would seriously suggest upgrading from 9 to at least 10. You might sort > > out some of the issues but, more > > importantly, will be moving up to a better supported system > > I'll get th

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > > encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, > > my thin

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, > my thinking has been to see how things are working, what's changed, > what bro