Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-31 Thread Bruce Perens
Leave Dave alone, he's already abandoned this argument. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW PHONE NUMBER: 510-620-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIB

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-31 Thread Chris Fearnley
'dc wrote:' > >Enough is enough. Where is your announcement of candidacy for project leader? Elections will be held soon ... I want to see your reasoned proposals for a better direction for the project. Too much of what you write is anti-Bruce and it's hard for me to tell exactly what solution

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Many responders have complained about the cross posting of dc's > complaints. Why, then, do they post their responses to multiple > debian lists? We did that so that DC would get it X times that there are many people disagree with him :). On th

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
two people throwing with mug to each other, but one of them complains about the other throwing mug. please be quiet david. i'm not a member of the bruce fan club, and i'm not as blind as some other developers, but this time bruce is right. stop flameing him, stop your mini revolution. we will ha

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread David B. Teague
All: IMHO Bruce is doing a fine job. It will be difficult to replace him, particularly so after the acrimony. David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [3456]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copy

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread hilliard
I strongly disagreed with Bruce's decision regarding the version/revision numbers. This is my PERSONAL OPINION; clearly many others, including Bruce, agree with his decision. This difference of opinion in no way justifies removing Bruce as president. (I don't believe "project leader" is an

Re: Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Fabrizio Polacco
Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: > > Dave, > > I can appreciate the fact that you don't like Bruce's handling of the > project. I do like the job that Bruce is doing, however. I'll stick > with Bruce until the normal time for succession comes, and probably > even after that. > > But please, by all

RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Ralph Winslow
On 26-Oct-97 Daniel J. Mashao wrote: >On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: > >> >> On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: >> > Enough is enough. >> >> I disagree. >> >I too disagree. I think there are probably more people who disagree than >agree. Yeah, by ~20 to 1 so far. I'd felt disinclined to contri

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: > > If Bruce really cares about the free and open future of the Debian Project, > > he will > > cede his position immediately. Much (private) discussion has gone on about > > forming a new distribution based on how the old

RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Daniel J. Mashao
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, George Bonser wrote: > > On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: > > Enough is enough. > > I disagree. > I too disagree. I think there are probably more people who disagree than agree. On the otherhand perhaps a distribution like Debian needs to have a registered list of users who wants t

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: > Enough is enough. yes. enough is enough. go away and quit your whining. i, for one, am getting really sick and tired of seeing your personal attacks against bruce being splashed all over the debian lists. what are you trying to do? destroy debian with your co

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Civ Kevin F. Havener
Dave, I can appreciate the fact that you don't like Bruce's handling of the project. I do like the job that Bruce is doing, however. I'll stick with Bruce until the normal time for succession comes, and probably even after that. But please, by all means continue with your plan to release an

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Lawrence
dc wrote: > > Enough is enough. Why you cc to so many lists??? You thought that people only subscribed one and only one of the lists. How many lists do we have? You have not done enough yet. You have not sent to all lists. Do it and bother anyone and email flooding their accounts. And yes I

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-26 Thread Matt Thompson
> Enough is enough. > > It is time for Bruce Perens to step down form the leadership position, and an > interim leader take his place until a new leader can be chosen at the formal > election. > > I state the following facts as reasons: blah, blah, blah...i don't know, i've been using Debian f

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Tommy Lakofski
You asshole. You made me add '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to my killfile, right next to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. You are an A-1 whacko. Go create your own distribution, manage it yourself, and watch the hordes of developers follow you -- not. Kindly cease to pollute my channels of communication with your worth

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Chad D. Zimmerman
Ok, good. Fine. Now pick *ONE* list to discuss this one. I am in NO mood to get 4 copies of EVERY email on this thread. All my responses to this list thread will be to debian-dissent -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chad D. Zimmerman

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Anthony Fok
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: Dave, trust and respect don't come freely. You have to work for it. Show your integrity and respect others, otherwise don't expect others to respect or trust you. Anthony > On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:57:18 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > >Because you did

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: > If Bruce really cares about the free and open future of the Debian Project, > he will > cede his position immediately. Much (private) discussion has gone on about > forming a new distribution based on how the old Debian used to be. This is my > last > attemp

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:57:18 -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: >Because you didn't contribute anything accept noise and dissent. I've >yet to see Bruce refuse to allow someone to work on Debian, who actually >had something to contribute. >From Ian to me, and Bruces interjection 2 days ago: -

RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread David Puryear
On 25-Oct-97 "dc" wrote: Enough is enough. -- cut -- I, like most Debin users, think Bruce is doing very fine job. I would hate to see Bruce or anyother developers quit because of the few who don't appreciate the amount of time and the effort the developers freely give to make Debian what i

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread dc
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:07:31 -0500 (CDT), Jesse Goldman wrote: > >On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: >> Enough is enough. > >I'd also like to take exception to the above statement. I don't think I've >ever been involved in a non-technical discussion on this list but I think >it's necessary, in this case, for

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Steve Greenland
On Oct 25, dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is time for Bruce Perens to step down form the leadership position, and an > interim leader take his place until a new leader can be chosen at the formal > election. I disagree. I was going to try to answer point-by-point, but I realized that I've

Re: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, dc wrote: > Enough is enough. So that one might know who you are, what is your name, or have you always just gone by "dc"? ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

RE: * Formal call for the removal of Bruce Perens *

1997-10-25 Thread George Bonser
On 25-Oct-97 dc wrote: > Enough is enough. I disagree. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .