Re: CCing responses and signature

Daniel L. McGrew wrote: Well I was hoping that you wouldn't say that... it won't boot from the DVD... I think that it's because the BIOS is so old... Try Smart Boot Manager. Works for me with CDROMs on an old machine with similar limitations. http://btmgr.webframe.org/ It may not wor

Re: CCing responses and signature

Daniel L. McGrew wrote: > I don't really cc anyone, it's MS Outlook, I click the reply to all > button, otherwise it only replies to you and not the list... > I would suspect that you could then simply delete the individual's email from the To: line to avoid CC:ing that individual. -- K

RE: ccing

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ccing Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I often Th

Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 09:17:41AM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 12:54:43AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > I don't know how you can stand the serial console - I just setup linux > > on a sparcstation 5 using one yesterday and the speed drove me mad. > > Did you run

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 07:13:41PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > A little pricier if you have to replace your entire machine to gat over > > the 48Meg limit because they don't make mamory that old any more. > > Hrmmm, how old would that be? Just got some sticks of PC133

Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 12:54:43AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:39:55PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > I know screen. My point is that I consider having to remember what > > I read an advantage because it forces me to actually *learn* instead > > of copying. > > W

Re: ccing

Hendrik Boom wrote: > A little pricier if you have to replace your entire machine to gat over > the 48Meg limit because they don't make mamory that old any more. Hrmmm, how old would that be? Just got some sticks of PC133 off of ebay a few weeks back. $70 for 512Mb. Are we talking 72pin, 3

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:46:10AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > I use a GUI almost all the time; X Window. And yes, I do have > > multiple XTerms on it. That's still a lot lighter than some of the > > multi-megabyte MUAs we're seeing these days. Consider the cost of > > that

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: > Uhhh?!? This is the Unix Way! Mutt handles mail. > Other things do other stuff. You want better refinement over mutt's > way of monitoring mailboxes? Add something else into the mix. There is a time to break down to smaller components and there is a time to add it into

Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:39:55PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > I know screen. My point is that I consider having to remember what > I read an advantage because it forces me to actually *learn* instead > of copying. > > Regards > Matthias Well each to their own. Learning where to look is gen

Re: ccing

"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Incoming from Brian Nelson: >> >> I don't know about that. I've found that mutt is one of the painfully >> slowest MUAs around (at least at loading large Maildirs or IMAP folders) >> even on very fast computers... > > That's pretty simple to deal with.

Re: ccing

Paul Scott wrote: s. keeling wrote: Or go with some 58 Mb monster that purports to be able to do everything. Choose your poison. A bit of exaggeration? I don't read my mail with OpenOffice which is about that size. Thunderbird is an order of magnitude smaller at under 8 Mb. Mutt and exim toge

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Steve Lamb: s. keeling wrote: Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm. mutt knows about and Why is the most common answer to this deficiency in mutt to use another program when we have addressed it by using another program? :) Uhhh

Re: ccing

Incoming from Steve Lamb: > s. keeling wrote: > > Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm. mutt knows about and > > Why is the most common answer to this deficiency in mutt to use another > program when we have addressed it by using another program? :) Uhhh?!? This is the Unix W

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: > Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm. mutt knows about and > watches a list of mailboxes. GKrellm knows about and watches a subset > of that list. Between the two, you get notification of important mail > arriving ("Read me!"), and information about potentially inte

Re: ccing

Matthias Czapla wrote: > I know. But the canonical way to use a GUI and why they were invented > is point-and-click. If you use a GUI like a console program, whats the > purpose of having a GUI in the first place? Uhm, like I said, having the gui there doesn't make it keyboard neuter. We don't

Re: ccing

Incoming from Steve Lamb: > > Mutt's "new mail here!" feature doesn't provide any granularity betwee[n] > ignore it completely (not in the list of folders to watch), give it the same > weight as every other watched folder or "check the folder list manually". Try using it in combination with (

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:43:40AM -0700 or thereabouts, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Scott wrote: > > I don't know how I would have found that "bug page" > > starting from Mozilla.org as I had done. What a maze! > > Do what I did. Google. :) > > > Thanks. I've voted for them. > > NP. B

Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 10:41:00AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 11:09:58PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Because of this and because it feels so UNIX-ish I mostly work at a > > serial terminal. Now when you read a man page, for some system call > > for example, I *ha

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:36:15AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Matthias Czapla wrote: > > Right. I dont think he was talking about execution time. I also think > > that typing a single key to perform an action is much faster than having > > to move the mouse to an icon, click it, move to the text in

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 02:53:55PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > >Because of this and because it feels so UNIX-ish I mostly work at a > >serial terminal. Now when you read a man page, for some system call > >for example, I *have* to remember it because you cannot have the man > >page and text editor v

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:23:48AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > There's a fairly old mutt patch to achieve this: > > > http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/index.html > > http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/mutt_shot_patch8.png > > Huh, fairly old and it isn't in the ma

Re: ccing

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > There's a fairly old mutt patch to achieve this: > http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/index.html > http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/mutt_shot_patch8.png Huh, fairly old and it isn't in the mainline. Wonder why. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > Having a separate reply-to-list function always seemed retarded to me. > It's yet another keystroke to learn, and you have to keep track of > whether you're replying to a mailing list or not. > > I much prefer the way gnus does it--

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:43:40AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > NP. BTW, I mentioned it before but didn't give a link. Take a gander at > elmo here: . It's been packaged already. > Certainly not as feature rich as, say, mutt but it does have one very > impor

Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Consider looking at the package `screen', which allows you to maintain a > session on a machine independent of the console you are typing from, and > to multiplex virtual terminals on a single serial line. > Screen is capable of displaying two composed terminals at once.

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:33:58AM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Brian Nelson: > > > > I don't know about that. I've found that mutt is one of the painfully > > slowest MUAs around (at least at loading large Maildirs or IMAP folders) > > even on very fast computers... > > That's prett

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 07:52:31PM -0400, S.D.A. wrote: > Well, I have thousands of e-mails in a directory structure, and Mutt has no > issues with that. I personally believe that having subdirectories, is largely > irrelevant, in terms of mutt. Sub directories or more common is GUIs as that > met

Re: ccing

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:46:10AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Cost of a stick of 512Mb PC2700 RAM (what I us in my gaming rig)... about > $100. Thunderbird's footprint, 58Mb. Much of that footprint of course are clean X/GTK pages and so pay off double when you use another application (such

multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 11:09:58PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote: > Because of this and because it feels so UNIX-ish I mostly work at a > serial terminal. Now when you read a man page, for some system call > for example, I *have* to remember it because you cannot have the man > page and text edito

Re: ccing

Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Scott wrote: I don't know how I would have found that "bug page" starting from Mozilla.org as I had done. What a maze! Do what I did. Google. :) I did. I see I should have put "reply to list" in quotes! Thanks. I've voted for them. NP. BTW, I menti

Re: ccing

Paul Scott wrote: > I don't know how I would have found that "bug page" > starting from Mozilla.org as I had done. What a maze! Do what I did. Google. :) > Thanks. I've voted for them. NP. BTW, I mentioned it before but didn't give a link. Take a gander at elmo here:

Re: ccing

Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Scott wrote: I have just spent the last 20 some odd minutes since seeing your post unsuccessfully trying to find out how to do that. Hints, please? Ok, once you're on the bug page Funniest thing. I was about to ask you "what bug page" when I went back to the p

Re: ccing

Paul Scott wrote: > I have just spent the last 20 some odd minutes since seeing your post > unsuccessfully trying to find out how to do that. Hints, please? Ok, once you're on the bug page right before the "additional comments" there's the option to "vote for this bug". Each person who creat

Re: ccing

Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Scott wrote: On the original topic I do wish Thunderbird had Reply to List but I don't have any trouble doing Reply All and quickly modifying the addresses to only reply to the list. Go to Mozilla's bugzilla and vote for that bug. It is bugged and has been so for

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: > I use a GUI almost all the time; X Window. And yes, I do have > multiple XTerms on it. That's still a lot lighter than some of the > multi-megabyte MUAs we're seeing these days. Consider the cost of > that one feature you're hoping to satisfy that you think mutt can't > provi

Re: ccing

Matthias Czapla wrote: > Right. I dont think he was talking about execution time. I also think > that typing a single key to perform an action is much faster than having > to move the mouse to an icon, click it, move to the text input box, > click again, release the mouse and move your hand to the

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: > In other words, I don't need to watch all my mailboxes all the time; > mutt's doing that for me. If new mail lands in any of them, the next > time I type "c" to change to another folder, mutt offers to go to the > next one in the list that contains new mail. Hit spacebar and i

Re: ccing

Paul Scott wrote: > On the original topic I do wish Thunderbird had Reply to List but I > don't have any trouble doing Reply All and quickly modifying the > addresses to only reply to the list. Go to Mozilla's bugzilla and vote for that bug. It is bugged and has been so for the past several v

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: > Google for "reply-to considered harmful". This is an old > philosophical issue. Actually as of 2822 it is a dead issue. The reply-to set by the lest was removed in 2822. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E9

Re: ccing

Incoming from Brian Nelson: > > I don't know about that. I've found that mutt is one of the painfully > slowest MUAs around (at least at loading large Maildirs or IMAP folders) > even on very fast computers... That's pretty simple to deal with. Archive old mail, and just keep a year's worth in

Re: ccing

Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree with and do a most of what you and others say. The *only* place > I think T-bird is more efficient is for my case of a large number of > mail folders with three levels of structure visible simultaneously on > the screen. After I choose the folder

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 09:41:20PM -0400 or thereabouts, Travis Crump wrote: > S.D.A. wrote: > > > >There are some cool tools available for archiving, that (as far as I know) > >won't work with Thunderbird mail. I can search my '*.tar.gz' archives, at > >the > >same time as searching the active on

Re: ccing

Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >>> >>> I much prefer the way gnus does it--a "followup" function that figures >>> out if you're replying to a list or not and does the right

Re: ccing

Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: >> >> I much prefer the way gnus does it--a "followup" function that figures >> out if you're replying to a list or not and does the right thing, >> i.e. either a reply-to-list or a reply

Re: ccing

S.D.A. wrote: There are some cool tools available for archiving, that (as far as I know) won't work with Thunderbird mail. I can search my '*.tar.gz' archives, at the same time as searching the active ones, via mboxgrep. So yes, Mutt is definitely the superior tool, as far as I'm concerned. Umm, wh

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 01:12:07PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Scott wrote: > S.D.A. wrote: > > > >I can however understand the argument that a GUI client is prettier, and > >easier to operate for the less-skilled term user, or that someone simply > >prefers Thunderbird to Mutt. It is a personal pre

Re: ccing

Sorry I let that [SPAM] header get through. Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SPAM] Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Paul Scott: Faster as far as processor time, etc. is not relevant *if the machine is fast enough* since the machine still has to wait for the user to do something. I couldn't care less whether the machine is waiting for me to do something. That's its job.

Re: ccing

Matthias Czapla wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 01:12:07PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: The *only* place I think T-bird is more efficient is for my case of a large number of mail folders with three levels of structure visible simultaneously on the screen. After I choose the folder with the mouse

Re: ccing

Incoming from Paul Scott: > > Faster as far as processor time, etc. is not relevant *if the machine is > fast enough* since the machine still has to wait for the user to do > something. I couldn't care less whether the machine is waiting for me to do something. That's its job. :-) However, c

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 01:12:07PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > I agree with and do a most of what you and others say. The *only* place > I think T-bird is more efficient is for my case of a large number of > mail folders with three levels of structure visible simultaneously on > the screen. Aft

Re: ccing

Matthias Czapla wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:05:36PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Matthias Czapla wrote: In the index view of mutt hit 'o' to sort by date, sender, size etc. True but the thread sort doesn't use a tree view. Mmmh, must be something with your configuration. I get

Re: ccing

S.D.A. wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:22:07AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Scott wrote: be a case where a quite good GUI email client like Thunderbird is going to win out overall over mutt at least on a larger sized screen. Maybe if mutt could simultaneously show more of it's views for X's sake

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:05:36PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Matthias Czapla wrote: > >On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > >>>I tell mutt to show me a few index lines at the top of the pager > >>>window. > >> > >>That gets the right two T-bird panes. I can sort the head

Re: ccing

Matthias Czapla wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: I tell mutt to show me a few index lines at the top of the pager window. That gets the right two T-bird panes. I can sort the headers by any column with a click and reorganize the indexes. In the in

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brian Nelson wrote: > > I much prefer the way gnus does it--a "followup" function that figures > out if you're replying to a list or not and does the right thing, > i.e. either a reply-to-list or a reply-to-all. I've heard (seen) several praises to gnus l

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:22:07AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Scott wrote: > Thanks for all your input. I've got "The Mutt E-Mail Client" doc open > now and I will read some more and try some of this. I think I am > equally at home in both GUI and text-based worlds and I think this may > be

Re: ccing

Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's >> often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I >> often get messages from this list where when I go to reply i'm

Re: ccing

Hello. Chris Metzler: > Yeah, googling with an additional qualitifer of "site:lists.debian.org" > or something like that. The disadvantage is that you don't get > the ability to search on date ranges and stuff like that, Well, you can do a search with inurl:/2003/10/ and/or inurl:/debian-user/

Re: ccing

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:22:07AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > >I tell mutt to show me a few index lines at the top of the pager > >window. > > That gets the right two T-bird panes. I can sort the headers by any > column with a click and reorganize the indexes. In the index view of mutt hit 'o'

Re: ccing

Paul Johnson wrote: Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I never check. I Google instead. I tried checking list archives a long time ago and found it terribly inefficient. Is there some other efficient way to search lists.debian.org that I don't know about? Google. Use the site: argum

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Paul Scott: s. keeling wrote: No offense meant, really. But have you ever tried mutt? I would use mutt before pine any time but I use Thunderbird because of its 3 panes displaying all of my mailboxes and the headers from the selected mailbox or fo

Re: ccing

Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have my configuration set to use "reply-to"; maybe that's > wrong. Well-maintained mailing lists do *not* add a Reply-To: header (it's a user-set header, servers should not be changing it any more than it should be changing From: or Subject:). -- Pa

Re: ccing

Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:53:19 -0700 > "David Haughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> The usual reply to this is submit a bug report. If it came >>> from a list, the reply should go to the list. If you want to >>> reply to the author, that should

Re: ccing

Chris Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yeah, googling with an additional qualitifer of "site:lists.debian.org" > or something like that. The disadvantage is that you don't get > the ability to search on date ranges and stuff like that, which > using the search engine provided by Debian for t

Re: ccing

Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I never check. I Google instead. I tried checking list archives a long > time ago and found it terribly inefficient. Is there some other > efficient way to search lists.debian.org that I don't know about? Google. Use the site: argument. -- Paul Johns

Re: ccing

Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. I have no intention of changing my email system. Then you have no intention of fixing the problem, which is entirely on your end. > 3. I also check lists.debian.org and I bet a lot of people do. I question that assertion. Had you done so, then you

Re: ccing

Cheryl Homiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I > often get messages from this list where when I go to reply i'm asked if > I want to reply to all recipients. R

Re: ccing

Incoming from Paul Scott: > s. keeling wrote: > > >No offense meant, really. But have you ever tried mutt? > > I would use mutt before pine any time but I use Thunderbird because of > its 3 panes displaying all of my mailboxes and the headers from the > selected mailbox or folder and the cur

Re: ccing

Chris Metzler wrote: On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:22:03 -0700 Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: s. keeling wrote: <>3. I also check lists.debian.org and I bet a lot of people do. Everyone forgets from time to time. Many never check. I never check. I Google instead. I tried checkin

Re: ccing

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:22:03 -0700 Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > s. keeling wrote: >>> <>3. I also check lists.debian.org and I bet a lot of people do. >>> Everyone forgets from time to time. Many never check. > > I never check. I Google instead. I tried checking list archives a long >

Re: ccing

s. keeling wrote: No offense meant, really. But have you ever tried mutt? I would use mutt before pine any time but I use Thunderbird because of its 3 panes displaying all of my mailboxes and the headers from the selected mailbox or folder and the current message simultaneously. I use the

Re: ccing

Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > I have my configuration set to use "reply-to"; maybe that's wrong. > However, it isn't purely a Pine problem; I never have this problem with > many lists to which I am subscribed; the list email is automatically > chosen. In fact, I have to intervene manually with

Re: ccing

Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > 1. I have no intention of changing my email system. No offense meant, really. But have you ever tried mutt? You should have no trouble going from one to the other interchangably (they shouldn't do any rmail style mangling of your existing mail, for instance). The

Re: ccing

Chris Metzler wrote: Most email clients I've encounterred (mutt, sylpheed, balsa, evolution, etc.) don't act this way. Outlook is MS crap and is broken in lots of other ways too. Pine is old; is it still even being developed? Thunderbird, OTOH, I thought *did* handle this correctly, and is broken

Re: ccing

On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:53:19 -0700 "David Haughton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The usual reply to this is submit a bug report. If it came >> from a list, the reply should go to the list. If you want to >> reply to the author, that should take manual intervention. >> In the meantime, sw

Re: ccing

On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 11:53:19AM -0700, David Haughton wrote: > > Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > > > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. > > However, it's > > > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least > > in Pine, I > > > often > > > > The usual reply to

Re: ccing

I have my configuration set to use "reply-to"; maybe that's wrong. However, it isn't purely a Pine problem; I never have this problem with many lists to which I am subscribed; the list email is automatically chosen. In fact, I have to intervene manually with very few lists and this is one of th

RE: ccing

> Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. > However, it's > > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least > in Pine, I > > often > > The usual reply to this is submit a bug report. If it came > from a list, the reply should go to

Re: ccing

1. I have no intention of changing my email system. 2. I do take the time to manually change the destination address if it's wrong; otherwise, you would be getting a cc of this. so the idea that it will "never happen" is perhaps correct in percentage but not totally correct. 3. I also check lis

Re: ccing

Cheryl Homiak wrote: I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I often get messages from this list where when I go to reply i'm asked if I want to reply to all recipients. If I say no, I end up with th

Re: ccing

On 2004-06-11, Cheryl Homiak penned: > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I > often get messages from this list where when I go to reply i'm asked > if I want to reply to all recipients. If I say

Re: ccing

Incoming from Cheryl Homiak: > I agree that it's irritating to get duplicate messages. However, it's > often not that the person deliberately did a cc. At least in Pine, I often The usual reply to this is submit a bug report. If it came from a list, the reply should go to the list. If you want