Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-18 Thread paulf
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 23:09:15 -0600 David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Feb 2023 at 08:59:58 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote: > > pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15): > > > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end > > > up having to do every time Debian comes out with a new ve

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/02/2023 22:25, Joe wrote: Stretch installed perfectly dual-boot with Win 10 on an EFI Acer netbook, but upgrading to Buster broke booting to grub. It actually broke EFI booting completely, but I've been able to restore booting at least to Windows. And yes, I've tried everything the Net can

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Feb 2023 at 08:59:58 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote: > pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15): > > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up > > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version > > Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the s

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread songbird
Cindy Sue Causey wrote: ... have you tried refind? i've been using it for several years now and while i do still have grub installed and it gets updated i primarily use refind instead. songbird

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:33:32 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > It's likely that LILO will go with Bookworm - I think it's more or > less unmaintained if I recall correctly, so someone needs to help you > getting this one to work. Is this your only machine? It doesn't seem to be in Bookworm now.

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 02:11:02PM -0500, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > > Upgrades are definitely a lot more trouble now, and yes, I do realise > > that each release is bigger and more complicated than the last. > > > Ditto. I can still remember saying (on Debian-User) that if someone > wanted to des

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-17 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 2/16/23, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:59:58 +0100 > Nicolas George wrote: > >> pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15): >> > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up >> > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version >> >> Debian is not Ubuntu, ma

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Joe
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:59:58 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: > pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15): > > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up > > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version > > Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the sy

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Therefore, except for the narrow case of writing into a block which has > never before been written, every write on a SSD *is* an erase+write > operation. No, that would lead to terribly poor performance (both in terms of speed and in terms of wear). >> So: you read the whole block, blank it, t

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Nicolas George
The Wanderer (12023-02-16): > That is exactly what I've always been told *does* happen, ever since > first reading about how SSDs et cetera work, more than a decade ago. > This is the first time I've seen a suggestion to the contrary. This is surprising to me, since I have had the exact opposite i

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-02-16 at 08:10, Nicolas George wrote: > The Wanderer (12023-02-16): > >> filesystems et cetera aligned to physical blocks, because physical block >> size defines the minimum size that can be erased (and, therefore, >> overwritten) in any given operation, > > This is true. Note: erased, no

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Nicolas George
The Wanderer (12023-02-16): > filesystems et cetera aligned to physical blocks, because physical block > size defines the minimum size that can be erased (and, therefore, > overwritten) in any given operation, This is true. Note: erased, not written. > and th

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 02:22:56AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are exposed are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where logical/physical were not 512B/512B. Don't worry about it; modern partition tools align

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread DdB
Am 16.02.2023 um 13:30 schrieb DdB: > Unfortunately, the > data set related to this, i could gather personally is not large > enough to be telling. https://www.servethehome.com/ssd-alignment-quickly-benchmark-ssd/

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread DdB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 16.02.2023 um 13:00 schrieb The Wanderer: > This being the very first time I can remember having encountered > even the suggestion that there's no need to be concerned about > erase-block sizes when dealing with SSDs et cetera, I hope it's > under

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-02-16 at 05:45, Nicolas George wrote: > DdB (12023-02-16): > >> Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata: >> > None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g. >> >> Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-) >> >> I know, i am not the only one ... >> https://serverfault.com/q

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Nicolas George
DdB (12023-02-16): > Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata: > > None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g. > > Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-) > > I know, i am not the only one ... > https://serverfault.com/questions/1113068/how-to-find-page-size-of-my-ssd Of cours

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread DdB
Am 16.02.2023 um 09:31 schrieb Felix Miata: > None of the 25 or so SSDs/NVMEs I have have 4k sectors. e.g. Wow, they must be rather old, then. ;-) I know, i am not the only one ... https://serverfault.com/questions/1113068/how-to-find-page-size-of-my-ssd

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Felix Miata
DdB composed on 2023-02-16 09:15 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are >> exposed >> are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where >> logical/physical >> were not 512B/512B. > That is what i meant: nowad

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread DdB
Am 16.02.2023 um 08:22 schrieb Felix Miata: > What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are > exposed > are sector size and sector count. I have yet to find one where > logical/physical > were not 512B/512B. That is what i meant: nowadays SSD's at least are AF Advanc

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-16 Thread Nicolas George
pa...@quillandmouse.com (12023-02-15): > Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up > having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version Debian is not Ubuntu, major upgrade do not break the system. -- Nicolas George

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread Felix Miata
DdB composed on 2023-02-16 07:44 (UTC+0100): > I do use (NVMe-) SSD, and i did partition it. > I did it to make sure, pages/partitions start on PHYSICAL boundaries, > not the logical ones reported to satisfy Windooze. What physical boundaries do SSDs have to report? All I know about that are ex

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread DdB
Am 16.02.2023 um 07:44 schrieb DdB: > I do use (NVMe-) SSD, and i did partition it. > I did it to make sure, pages/partitions start on PHYSICAL boundaries, > not the logical ones reported to satisfy Windooze. Not every model > reports correct hardware parameters to the OS. > > What i would recomme

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread DdB
Am 15.02.2023 um 23:58 schrieb PMA: > Dear Debian, > > I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer. > Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been accustomed > to and have always fastidiously *partitioned*. > > With my file groupings already well differentiated c/o > directory-tree la

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:23:52PM -0500, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Here's why you would partition a drive. Reinstalling (which I end up having to do every time Debian comes out with a new version) means overwriting the storage. I already acknowleged that people can do what they want based

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread paulf
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:45:49 -0500 Michael Stone wrote: > > I don't personally think there's a point in partitioning any storage > device on a user system these days beyond what's required to boot. If > you want to do more, that's a personal preference. Being an SSD > doesn't really change thi

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread David Christensen
On 2/15/23 14:58, PMA wrote: Dear Debian, I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer. Please tell us about the computer, the environment it will be deployed in (including Internet access or none), and the role of the computer. Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been acc

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread piorunz
On 15/02/2023 22:58, PMA wrote: is there any further advantage to be had in partitioning *these* drives? Although some people still prefer to leave about 20% of a SSD as raw unpartitioned space, so SSD can spare/level out sectors to that empty space, this is IMO on longer necessary, as you ca

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread jeremy ardley
On 16/2/23 07:45, Michael Stone wrote: I don't personally think there's a point in partitioning any storage device on a user system these days beyond what's required to boot. If you want to do more, that's a personal preference. Being an SSD doesn't really change things. I agree with th

Re: Partitioning an SSD?

2023-02-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 05:58:47PM -0500, PMA wrote: I'm preparing to install Debian 11.5.0 on a new computer. Its drives are SSDs, not the HDDs I've been accustomed to and have always fastidiously *partitioned*. With my file groupings already well differentiated c/o directory-tree layout, is th

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread David Christensen
On 11/25/2014 09:53 PM, Rusi Mody wrote: Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. ... Clearly its the windows (C:) that needs to be shrunk for the linux. I hate dual boot. Consider: 1. Virtualization, if you can put all of your hardware-intensive applications on one O/S. The best part is

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:10:05 PM UTC+5:30, Rusi Mody wrote: > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:40:04 PM UTC+5:30, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > > > I find that its gpt as expected and the

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:40:04 PM UTC+5:30, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > > > | reco

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 26 Nov 00:01 -0600, Rusi Mody wrote: > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > | recovery | 1G | > | EFI | 260M | > | OEM | 1G | > | Windows8 (C:) | 424G

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > | recovery | 1G | > | EFI | 260M | > | OEM | 1G | > | Windows8

Re: Partitioning of new machine - thank you

2014-08-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/11/14, b-m...@gmx.ch wrote: > On Saturday 09 August 2014 11.11:08 Gary Dale wrote: >> >> To preserve your archive, I'd advise PAR2 redundancy files to fix any >> problems that may crop up. So long as your HD copies are good, you don't >> need to go to the PAR2 files, but should one develop a

Re: Partitioning of new machine - thank you

2014-08-10 Thread b-misc
On Saturday 09 August 2014 11.11:08 Gary Dale wrote: > > To preserve your archive, I'd advise PAR2 redundancy files to fix any > problems that may crop up. So long as your HD copies are good, you don't > need to go to the PAR2 files, but should one develop a problem, you can > fix it with the PAR2

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-09 Thread Bob Proulx
AW wrote: > "B. M." wrote: > > optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the > > next 10 years :-) > > I've found that using lvm is a great idea. Resizing volumes is incredibly > easy. You can even easily resize a volume to occupy a portion of a new HDD. > So, my recommendation for new

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-09 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sat, 09 Aug 2014, B. M. wrote: > Le 9 août 2014 à 05:44, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > > > On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, B. M. wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > [snip] > >> > >> What do you think about the following: > >> > >> === SSD: === > >> /boot unencrypted, 300 MB > >> / ex

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-09 Thread B. M.
Le 9 août 2014 à 05:44, Patrick Bartek a écrit : > On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, B. M. wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine >> (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme >> which should last for the next 10 years :-) > > 10 years migh

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-09 Thread Gary Dale
On 09/08/14 03:08 AM, B. M. wrote: Le 9 août 2014 à 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit : On 08/08/14 06:14 AM, B. M. wrote: Hi all, While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the next 10 years :-) Th

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-09 Thread B. M.
Le 9 août 2014 à 06:04, Gary Dale a écrit : > On 08/08/14 06:14 AM, B. M. wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) >> I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the >> next 10 years :-) >> >> The system looks l

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Gary Dale
On 08/08/14 06:14 AM, B. M. wrote: Hi all, While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the next 10 years :-) The system looks like: Haswell 3.4 GHz 8 GB RAM (later upgradeable up to 32 GB) 250 G

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 08 Aug 2014, B. M. wrote: > Hi all, > > While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine > (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme > which should last for the next 10 years :-) 10 years might be an overly optimistic expectation unless you plan on upgradi

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread David Christensen
On 08/08/2014 03:14 AM, B. M. wrote: While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the next 10 years :-) The system looks like: Haswell 3.4 GHz 8 GB RAM (later upgradeable up to 32 GB) 250 GB SSD 2

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 18:50:49 +0200 "B. M." wrote: > Why should I keep /home off the SSD? Every download, every user specific config change, goes in the /home tree. That's a lot of writing, and some of the downloads can be quite big. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshoote

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread B. M.
Le 8 août 2014 à 17:16, Steve Litt a écrit : > On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 12:14:31 +0200 > "B. M." wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine >> (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme >> which should last for the next 10 years :-) >>

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/08/2014 06:14 AM, B. M. wrote: > Hi all, > > While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) > I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the > next 10 years :-) > > The system looks like: >

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 12:14:31 +0200 "B. M." wrote: > Hi all, > > While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine > (testing/jessie) I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme > which should last for the next 10 years :-) > > The system looks like: > Haswell 3.4 GHz > 8 GB RAM (late

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread AW
On Fri, 8 Aug 2014 12:14:31 +0200 "B. M." wrote: > optimal partitioning scheme which should last for the > next 10 years :-) I've found that using lvm is a great idea. Resizing volumes is incredibly easy. You can even easily resize a volume to occupy a portion of a new HDD. So, my recommenda

Re: Partitioning of new machine

2014-08-08 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/8/14, B. M. wrote: > Hi all, > > While I'm waiting for the components of my new machine (testing/jessie) > I'm thinking about the optimal partitioning scheme which should last for > the > next 10 years :-) > > The system looks like: > Haswell 3.4 GHz > 8 GB RAM (later upgradeable up to 32 GB)

Re: Partitioning problem

2013-04-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:52:57PM +0200, Alexandre De Muer wrote: > Hi, When installing from "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD 6.0.7 "Squeeze" - > Official kfreebsd-i386 DVD Binary-1 20130223-17:32"the following > problem issued from "guided partition layout":"unable to set mount > from file-system type swap

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2011 schrieb Marc Shapiro: > On 09/25/11 23:35, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > I would emphatically recommend to use a more advanced file system > > like ext4 for this size of drive. > > E.g., fsck runs much much faster with ext4. > > Other than fsck running faster, what a

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-28 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 28. September 2011 schrieb Marc Shapiro: > On 09/26/11 12:24, Nicolas wrote: > > I have a disk with the same space and i use lvm dividing it in > > several partitions and a 300 gb free space block if any of the > > partitions need more space. It's very practical and dependable. And > >

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-28 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Marc Shapiro wrote, on 09/28/11 03:27: > Other than fsck running faster, what are the advantages of ext4 over ext3? > > Marc > See, e.g., http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 and https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ext4 . For me it was especially its support for the discard/TRIM command for

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-27 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 09/26/11 12:24, Nicolas wrote: I have a disk with the same space and i use lvm dividing it in several partitions and a 300 gb free space block if any of the partitions need more space. It's very practical and dependable. And the filesystem is ext4 for all of them. Are you recommending a sin

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-27 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 09/26/11 00:43, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: I would emphatically recommend to use a more advanced file system like ext4 for this size of drive. E.g., fsck runs much much faster with ext4. Yes, but not if you are still on Lenny I have a Lenny box that was quite happ

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-27 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 09/25/11 23:35, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: I would emphatically recommend to use a more advanced file system like ext4 for this size of drive. E.g., fsck runs much much faster with ext4. Other than fsck running faster, what are the advantages of ext4 over ext3? Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-27 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 09/25/11 22:07, David Christensen wrote: On 09/25/2011 07:19 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by Linux, I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous thread, my current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to keep it

Re: partitioning inhibits boot on AF drive?

2011-09-27 Thread Brian
On Tue 27 Sep 2011 at 18:09:56 -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote: > I made two further attempts at installation, one with Ubuntu 10.10 and > the other with Debian testing (wheezy 20110908-15:43). In each > attempt, I allowed the system to utilize the entire disk, putting all > files (including the b

Re: partitioning inhibits boot on AF drive?

2011-09-27 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Russell L. Harris [110926 18:15]: > I just installed on a Lenovo S205 (1) Ubuntu 10.10, (2) Debian testing > (Wheezy), and (3) Debian stable (Squeeze). The Debian systems > utilized netinst images, and the Ubuntu system downloaded updates > during the installation. The single hard drive has a

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-26 Thread Nicolas
El 25/09/11 23:19, Marc Shapiro escribió: Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by Linux, I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous thread, my current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to keep it as the boot drive and use the new drive pri

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-26 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Marc, Am Montag, 26. September 2011 schrieb Marc Shapiro: > Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by > Linux, I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous > thread, my current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to > keep it as the boot drive a

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-26 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:19:45 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by Linux, > I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous thread, my > current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to keep it as > the boot drive and us

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 06:07, David Christensen wrote: > I'd recommend LVM: +1, did that for a 1TB (931GiB) Seagte, you'll end up with a /dev/mapper/volumeGrouName-partitionName1 /dev/mapper/volumeGrouName-partitionName2 If you RTFM around it's fairily straightforward. I'm almost using up my fi

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: I would emphatically recommend to use a more advanced file system like ext4 for this size of drive. E.g., fsck runs much much faster with ext4. Yes, but not if you are still on Lenny I have a Lenny box that was quite happy to create an ext4 file system, but it wou

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-25 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
I would emphatically recommend to use a more advanced file system like ext4 for this size of drive. E.g., fsck runs much much faster with ext4. -- Best regards, Jörg-Volker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listma

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-25 Thread David Christensen
On 09/25/2011 07:19 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by Linux, I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous thread, my current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to keep it as the boot drive and use the new drive prima

Re: Partitioning my new 1TB drive

2011-09-25 Thread Rick Thomas
On 9/25/2011 10:19 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: Now that I have my Seagate 1TB drive functional and recognized by Linux, I need to format the thing. As I mentioned in my previous thread, my current boot drive on this box is only 40 GB. I intend to keep it as the boot drive and use the new drive primar

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-28 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:00:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: >> AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or even >> all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the menu. > > Well, at least you could ed

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-28 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:00:03 +0200, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: >> AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or even >> all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the menu. > > Well, at least you could ed

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-26 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:35:44 +0300 Andrei Popescu wrote: > AFAICT there is currently no way to tell update-grub that some (or > even all) of the partitions found by os-prober are not needed in the > menu. Well, at least you could edit /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober. Line 35 reads: OSPROBED="`os-pr

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-26 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 26 oct 10, 00:57:45, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 > David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > > > 3 Windows operating systems > > (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run > > update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with > > sho

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-25 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Charles Kroeger wrote: > On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 > David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > >> 3 Windows operating systems >> (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run >> update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with >> s

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-25 Thread Doug
On 10/26/2010 12:57 AM, Charles Kroeger wrote: On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 David Van Mosselbeen wrote: 3 Windows operating systems (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with showing 3 windows operatin

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-25 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 15:20:01 +0200 David Van Mosselbeen wrote: > 3 Windows operating systems > (1 win7 and 2 of Vista which i don't have). Had need to run > update-grub to get this issue fixed. Well, i still have an issue with > showing 3 windows operating systems in the bootloader, but that's >

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-24 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:43:06 -0700, consul tores wrote: > 2010/10/23 consul tores : >> 2010/10/23 David Van Mosselbeen : >> >>> Hi, >>> Kinda late to reply on this, but yah... >>> >>> My wife own a Compaq laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled. A few days ago >>> i >>> have installed Debian testing (

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-24 Thread consul tores
2010/10/23 consul tores : > 2010/10/23 David Van Mosselbeen : > >> Hi, >> Kinda late to reply on this, but yah... >> >> My wife own a Compaq laptop with Windows 7 preinstalled. A few days ago i >> have installed Debian testing (the daily netinst cd) on it. I have resized >> the windows NTFS partiti

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-23 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:54:57 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > Hi All, > > > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to > partition and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's > partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-14 Thread Mark
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:53 AM, Gilbert Sullivan wrote: > A very good point. I was going to mention that the restore discs provided > by some vendors (via this method of creating them using a utility provided > by the vendor) will let you perform a clean OS installation which omits some > or all

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-14 Thread Gilbert Sullivan
On 10/14/2010 09:35 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: Mark wrote: None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? I use Clonezilla a great deal, but most people don't think to make an image of the machine before they start Windows for the f

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-14 Thread Preston Boyington
Mark wrote: None of this matters if you use Clonezilla. So why even fiddle with it when there's a great alternative? I use Clonezilla a great deal, but most people don't think to make an image of the machine before they start Windows for the first time. What I'm talking about is having t

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Γιώργος Πάλλας
On 14/10/2010 08:54 πμ, Tom H wrote: > 2010/10/14 Γιώργος Πάλλας : > >> On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: >> >>> >>> You can mess with the registry to make another set of recovery disks >>> if the first set is damaged or unduplicated >>> >> This is really unneeded. What I do on fr

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Tom H
2010/10/14 Γιώργος Πάλλας : > On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: >>> On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington  wrote: > Ogya Chief wrote: > >> At this stage there is no dat

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Γιώργος Πάλλας
On 14/10/2010 04:43 πμ, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > >> On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >>> wrote: >>> Ogya Chief wrote: > At this stage there is no data to

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 8:45 PM, consul tores wrote: > >> And, yes, it is possible to create windows 7 recovery DVDs, many times >> as you wanted. > > This isn't universally true. Maybe some manufacturers enforce it and some > don't. HP does, or has, re

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Allums
On 10/13/2010 8:45 PM, consul tores wrote: And, yes, it is possible to create windows 7 recovery DVDs, many times as you wanted. This isn't universally true. Maybe some manufacturers enforce it and some don't. HP does, or has, restricted it to one copy. I never understood why making multi

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Allums
On 10/13/2010 8:31 PM, Mark wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mark Allums Don't all boxes ship with a utility to create restore DVDs from the restore partition?! Often, they do, yes. Typically, it allows exactly one copy to be created, so, ensure that good media

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread consul tores
2010/10/12 Ogya Chief : > Hi All, > > I have just bought a pc with Windows 7 pre-installed and I want to partition > and install debian on the drive. If I use the debian installer's > partitioner, what precautions do I have to take in order not to damage the > Windows partition? > > Kind regards, >

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >>  wrote: >>> Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. >

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mark Allums wrote: > On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington >> wrote: >> >>> Ogya Chief wrote: >>> At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Allums
On 10/13/2010 6:43 PM, Tom H wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark Allums
On 10/13/2010 9:25 AM, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 00:24 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of action. Windows comes with a resizer: right click on "my computer">

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Preston Boyington wrote: > Ogya Chief wrote: >> >> At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I >> can backup, please let me know. > > Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest > burning the Restore partit

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Joe wrote: > On 13/10/10 16:52, Mark wrote: > >> >> As a side note, if it came with a big hard drive, from my experience I >> suggest a 30-40 GB Windows 7 partition (yes it needs that much these >> days), >> > > That might be conservative. My Win7 is seven months

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Joe
On 13/10/10 16:52, Mark wrote: As a side note, if it came with a big hard drive, from my experience I suggest a 30-40 GB Windows 7 partition (yes it needs that much these days), That might be conservative. My Win7 is seven months old, and occupies 24GB (no data in that). I didn't make a note

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Mark
2010/10/12 Γιώργος Πάλλας > > For backing up the whole disk before starting with dangerous operations I > suggest Clonezilla (the open-source equivalent of Ghost). It use it > regularly and hasn't betrayed me. > As for the rest procedures, I also suggest you resize the windows partition > with g

RE: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 00:24 +0200, Ogya Chief wrote: > SNIP > > > > > > I have Win 7 home premium. I will find out what tools for > partitioning/backup came with it and decide on my next course of > action. Windows comes with a resizer: right click on "my computer" > manage >diskmanager. The

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Preston Boyington
Ogya Chief wrote: At this stage there is no data to backup. If there is any other thing I can backup, please let me know. Since most newer computers don't come with a Restore disc, I would suggest burning the Restore partition and any associated "utility" partition to a DVD. Usually it fi

Re: Partitioning a drive with Windows 7 already installed

2010-10-13 Thread Γιώργος Πάλλας
On 13/10/2010 02:07 μμ, steef wrote: > Γιώργος Πάλλας schreef: >> On 13/10/2010 01:24 πμ, Ogya Chief wrote: >>> >>> >>> > If you care about Windows 7 at all (e.g., for playing games) you >>> should >>> > back up the Win 7 installation completely before starting. How you go >>> > about it depends on

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