Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-03 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 8/30/2012 12:28 AM, Bret Busby wrote: [snip] > Last night, it was taking up to 20 minutes for the system to respond to > a mouse click, and, typing in the text in composing an email message ... > and, about 40-60% of the > characters that are typed in, simply disappear, requiring composing an ..

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread david mckisick
have a similar system to yours and just downloaded the 64 bit Opera on Squeeze. It installed quickly and with no errors. I have now ran it for several hours pushing it harder than I normally push my Iceweasel 16 and have experienced none of the issues you describe. Its lightning fast, stab

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Martin Steigerwald wrote: > schrieb Bob Proulx: > > Then press F6 to change the sort function. Use the up and down cursor > > keys to select VIRT for sorting by size of virtual memory usage. What > > programs are the top virtual memory consumers on your system? (On > > mine it is usually firefox

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Darac Marjal wrote: > However, as you've noted, once you run out of RAM, the kernel should > start moving the less-frequently used pages into Swap. In theory, the > OOM-killer should only come into play when both are full. Agreed. > However, I can see a couple of situations where that may not hap

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2012 schrieb Bret Busby: > Hello. Hello Bret, > In the ongoing saga of the inability of the 64 bit version of Debian 6 > to swap properly, so that an i3 CPU with 8GB of RAM and a 40GB swap > partition, runs about as fast as an 8086 trying to run MS Windows 3, a > possible

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2012 schrieb Bret Busby: > > Then press F6 to change the sort function. Use the up and down > > cursor keys to select VIRT for sorting by size of virtual memory > > usage. What programs are the top virtual memory consumers on your > > system? (On mine it is usually firefo

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2012 schrieb Bob Proulx: > Then press F6 to change the sort function. Use the up and down cursor > keys to select VIRT for sorting by size of virtual memory usage. What > programs are the top virtual memory consumers on your system? (On > mine it is usually firefox.) Bas

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-09-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2012 schrieb Bret Busby: > >> I do hope that Debian 7 implements memory paging, or swapping. > > > > I'm not completely sure what you mean by this :-? > > It seems to have stopped working properly, in about Debian 5, and I > hope that Debian 7 gets it working again. > >

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 10:07:12PM +0100, Lisi wrote: > On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:15:01 Claudius Hubig wrote: > > > A problem that I (appear to) have found, is that the malware named > > > javascript appears to cause havoc in continually increasing usage of > > > RAM. > > > > Javascript is a p

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-30 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:16:23 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Some hints: >> >> - With 8 GiB of RAM you can (almost) safely turn off your swap at all, >> it shouldn't be used. You can indeed run this test (→ turn off swap) to >> see how your system behaves

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-30 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 01:28:05PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Bob Proulx wrote: > [cut] > > I enable javascript in Opera, as I use it for most online financial > transactions, including online banking, and, of the (more?) major > web browsers, as far as I am aware, opera is t

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Bob Proulx wrote: Bret Busby wrote: opera web browser. Each window of it shows as using 14GB of virtual memory. Yowsa! So if you exit Opera as a test then suddenly a lot of memory is freed up and the system is suddenly back to its normal speedy state? Any other process

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Bret Busby wrote: > opera web browser. > Each window of it shows as using 14GB of virtual memory. Yowsa! So if you exit Opera as a test then suddenly a lot of memory is freed up and the system is suddenly back to its normal speedy state? Any other processes hiding behind it that are the second t

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Lisi
On Wednesday 29 August 2012 21:15:01 Claudius Hubig wrote: > > A problem that I (appear to) have found, is that the malware named > > javascript appears to cause havoc in continually increasing usage of > > RAM. > > Javascript is a programming language, not a malware. He knows that. He is express

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello Bret, Bret Busby wrote: > opera web browser. > > Each window of it shows as using 14GB of virtual memory. Nice. Opera usually uses as much memory as it sees fit, but you can set the memory cache manually (Preferences → Advanced → History). A very wild guess would be that due to your extre

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Bob Proulx wrote: Bret Busby wrote: The problem is that the computer runs out of RAM. The tool I like the best is 'htop'. Install it. It is nice and I think you will like it. # apt-get install htop Then run it: $ htop Then press F6 to change the sort functio

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 01:01:28PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > To the list... Does anyone have any nice 'ps' recipies for doing the > same thing? ps STUFF --sort vsize -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Dan Ritter wrote: On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:16:23AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:23:47 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) /sbin/swapon -s will show you what partitions or files you are using, and how big they

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Bret Busby wrote: > The problem is that the computer runs out of RAM. > > The RAM usage increases, until it runs out of RAM, then, as at > present, the system becomes morbidly slow, and takes a few seconds > to respond to key presses or mouse moves, then, after a while, it > just crashes. What yo

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 02:16:23AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Camaleón wrote: > > >On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:23:47 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > > >(...) > > > >>So, my query is this; is the inability of 64 bit Debian 6, to swap > >>properly, instead using increasing amounts of RA

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bret Busby
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:23:47 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) So, my query is this; is the inability of 64 bit Debian 6, to swap properly, instead using increasing amounts of RAM until it runs out of RAM, then crashing, while having 40GB of unused swap part

Re: Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:23:47 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: (...) > So, my query is this; is the inability of 64 bit Debian 6, to swap > properly, instead using increasing amounts of RAM until it runs out of > RAM, then crashing, while having 40GB of unused swap partition allocated > and "swappiness" s

Query about failure of Debian 6 64 bit to swap properly

2012-08-29 Thread Bret Busby
Hello. In the ongoing saga of the inability of the 64 bit version of Debian 6 to swap properly, so that an i3 CPU with 8GB of RAM and a 40GB swap partition, runs about as fast as an 8086 trying to run MS Windows 3, a possible cause has occurred to me. I have found that the file manager, desp