Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-24 Thread Bob Proulx
Joseph Loo wrote: > B wrote: > > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > ... > ... > > I think you are missing the problem associated with SSd. The wear problem is > associated with the amount of free space. If the drive is 99.99% full, you > could probably wear the drive out in no time at all. The wear pr

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:21:41 -0700 Joseph Loo wrote: > I think you are missing the problem associated with SSd. The wear > problem is associated with the amount of free space. If the drive > is 99.99% full, you could probably wear the drive out in no time > at all. The wear problem is prevented

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Joseph Loo
On 06/23/2014 12:27 PM, B wrote: On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:34:00 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: I believe that would be true of quite /old/ SSD drives, but definitely not for newer ones. I wouldn't be so positive… until a real independent lab, conducting real tests (especially with a high nu

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 16:59:04 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > 3 years later I bought an IBM Deskstar drive with 6 times the > capacity for $300.00 :-) These aren't even SATA but IDE; but they're on old machines that give satisfaction for what they're used: storing CAD drawings updated very often and a

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:05:07 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Mon 23 Jun 2014 at 12:43:19 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Anyway, things are going well. My other observation is that Debian > > is less like Ubuntu than it initially looks. > > Debian looks less like Ubuntu than you originally thought? What

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:27:59 +0200 B wrote: > May be, but most of my disks have a ≥ 10 years life (24/7) with > a very few errors (only 2 of 45 have 1 & 3 unrecoverable sectors), > so, if you can prove me SSD is as good as these, why not… My question is this: Would a ten year old disk be wor

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:34:00 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > I believe that would be true of quite /old/ SSD drives, but > definitely not for newer ones. I wouldn't be so positive… until a real independent lab, conducting real tests (especially with a high number of small files, test curiously

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Brian
On Mon 23 Jun 2014 at 12:43:19 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Anyway, things are going well. My other observation is that Debian is > less like Ubuntu than it initially looks. Debian looks less like Ubuntu than you originally thought? What did you expect and why should it matter? - they are two diffe

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Sven Hartge
Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:34:00 +1000 > Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> There have been very heavy torture tests on thew newer range of SSDs >> and they are performing exceptionally well with mega data being >> written [1], up to fairly heavy data usage levels. >> [1] >> http://www.

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
btw It looks like exim4 first entered into Debian with Sarge (Debian 3.1, released 2005), here's a link with more info: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/98/Upgrading_from_Woody_to_Sarge_Part_4_-_Apache2 Cheers A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wit

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Steve, This page was last modified in 2006 and it too talks about "latest Debian" curl -I http://blog.edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/exim4.html HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:54:55 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Last-Modified: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:30:55 GMT ETag: "11c128-

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Sven Hartge
Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 24/06/2014 3:16 AM, B wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 >> Steve Litt wrote: >>> I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, >>> 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, >>> and swap partition, >> >> As a

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:34:00 +1000 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 24/06/2014 3:16 AM, B wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, > >> 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Sven Hartge
B wrote:> > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: >> I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, 240GB >> SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, and swap >> partition, > As a SSD has limited write capacities, people usually avoid

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
What are you talking about Steve? On 24/06/2014 2:43 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > The biggest problem I'm having right now is email. I set up a > preliminary Dovecot on the Debian machine. For some reason, the only > way to get the dovecot executable on Wheezy is to follow these > instructions on addin

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:33:27 + (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2014-06-23, Tom Furie wrote: > > > > Try again. The "often (re)written" directories are on a WD spinning > > disk. His data (not sure if that includes homes, but if not I would > > strongly advise it) is on yet another spinning disk. > >

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-23, Tom Furie wrote: > > Try again. The "often (re)written" directories are on a WD spinning > disk. His data (not sure if that includes homes, but if not I would > strongly advise it) is on yet another spinning disk. > Right, but as his data appears to be on a WD "Green" maybe Steve s

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 24/06/2014 3:16 AM, B wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > >> I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, >> 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, >> and swap partition, > > As a SSD has limited write capacities

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:26:48 +0100 Tom Furie wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 07:16:27PM +0200, B wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, > > > 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:26:48 +0100 Tom Furie wrote: > Try again. The "often (re)written" directories are on a WD spinning > disk. His data (not sure if that includes homes, but if not I would > strongly advise it) is on yet another spinning disk. Oops, I missed the comma :( Manufacturers (or re

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Tom Furie
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 07:16:27PM +0200, B wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, > > 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, > > and swap partition, > > As a SSD has li

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Bzzzz
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:43:19 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, > 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, > and swap partition, As a SSD has limited write capacities, people usually avoid using it for things that

Re: Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 23 June 2014 17:43:19 Steve Litt wrote: > My other observation is that Debian is > less like Ubuntu than it initially looks. :-)) Quite!! But I don't actually even think that it initially looks like it Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Progress on my new Debian box

2014-06-23 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I've got the hardware all set up. AMD dual core 4100, 16GB RAM, 240GB SSD for /, 750GB Western Digital Black for /var, /tmp, /run, and swap partition, and a 3GB Western Digital Green for all my data. I installed Debian Wheezy 7.5 network install with "nonfree yes", and xxxterm (soon to be