Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
rowl...@cloud85.net >Let's press reset a little. >For reasons not directly tied to Debian, I'm no longer purchasing DVD >sets on any media. >I am still constrained by a low data cap. >My system installs *will* continue to use "--no-install-recommends": > 1. It conserves limited resource [i.e. dat

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-09 Thread Richard Owlett
Let's press reset a little. For reasons not directly tied to Debian, I'm no longer purchasing DVD sets on any media. I am still constrained by a low data cap. My system installs *will* continue to use "--no-install-recommends": 1. It conserves limited resource [i.e. data cap] 2. It reduces wor

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Brian
On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 15:11:28 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/08/2022 12:49 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 07:11:51 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" > > > components I have done: > > > > Low data caps alwa

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Dan Purgert
On Mar 08, 2022, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Before I retired I spent decades in customer and engineering support. > > Became familiar clashing desires and corner cases. > > I wasn't looking at X needing a DM, but rather that if the DE {MATE in my > > case} was going to be useful it had to start [pre

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2022 03:10 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: Before I retired I spent decades in customer and engineering support. Became familiar clashing desires and corner cases. I wasn't looking at X needing a DM, but rather that if the DE {MATE in my case} was going to be useful it had to start [preferably

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2022 12:49 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 07:11:51 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: Low data caps always tug at the heartstrings, but avoiding Recommends: can be a recipe for disaster (for

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2022 10:45 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 08:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] "apt-get --no-install-recommends install lightdm" solved #1 and #2. Does that demonstrate a dependency bug? Most definitely not. X doesn't need the DM to run. Actually there

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Brian
On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 07:11:51 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" > components I have done: Low data caps always tug at the heartstrings, but avoiding Recommends: can be a recipe for disaster (for you or us)). My recollection is that

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Tixy
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 15:54 +, Brian wrote: > Users who install a package with "--no-install-recommends owe it to > themselves to investigate the conssequences *prior* to committing to > the action. Involving a communuty in the aftermath is little short > of thoughtlessness and lack of preparat

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 08:40:02AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > "apt-get --no-install-recommends install lightdm" solved #1 and #2. > Does that demonstrate a dependency bug? Most definitely not. X doesn't need the DM to run. Actually there are folks out there that want to start up in con

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Brian
On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 09:06:27 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 08:40:02 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: [..] > > "apt-get --no-install-recommends install lightdm" solved #1 and #2. > > Does that demonstrate a dependency bug? > > Last paragraph of: > https://lists.debian.org/d

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-08 15:50 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have SeaMonkey launched from "Internet" sub-menu of "Applications" > menu. IIRC it was only a couple of mouse clicks to get it there. If you don't have some Debian/Snap/Flatpak package from some source available, I know no other way to i

Re: Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread David Wright
On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 08:40:02 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/08/2022 07:32 AM, Richmond wrote: > > Richard Owlett writes: > > > > > As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" > > > components I have done: > > > 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2022 08:37 AM, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-03-08 14:11 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote: 4. I'll be installing SeaMonkey but have forgotten how to have it appear on appropriate Applications sub-menu. As there is no Debian package for SeaMonkey, you will probably extract the bi

Dependency bug demonstrated???? - was [Re: Problems with custom install of MATE]

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2022 07:32 AM, Richmond wrote: Richard Owlett writes: As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends insta

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-08 14:11 UTC+0100, Richard Owlett wrote: > 4. I'll be installing SeaMonkey but have forgotten how to have it appear > on appropriate Applications sub-menu. As there is no Debian package for SeaMonkey, you will probably extract the binaries from seamonkey-project.org somewhere. To

Re: Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Richmond
Richard Owlett writes: > As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" > components I have done: > 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using >debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . > 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment > 3. a

Problems with custom install of MATE

2022-03-08 Thread Richard Owlett
As I have a very low data cap and wish to avoid some "recommended" components I have done: 1. a text mode install [including "standard utilities"] using debian-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso . 2. apt-get --no-install-recommends install mate-desktop-environment 3. apt-get install xinit 4. apt-get --n