Re: FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2004-01-01 Thread Bill Marcum
Oops, my bad, I was reading old messages. -- When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you have not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice. -- Otto Von Bismarck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscrib

Re: FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2004-01-01 Thread Bill Marcum
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 09:25:21AM -0800, Sreelal Chandrasenan wrote: Isn't this the same ID10T that had all his email forwarded to the list a few days ago? -- When you say that you agree to a thing in principle, you mean that you have not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice.

FW: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-15 Thread Sreelal Chandrasenan
-Original Message- From: Terry Hancock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:27 AM To: debian users Subject: Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry) On Sunday 14 December 2003 07:31 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 at 15:54 GMT, J.H.M. Das

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-15 Thread Terry Hancock
n't think I remembered to say "Thank you", myself, Ray. So, thank you for the link! It appears that I stand corrected on the PDF spec issue. Cheers, Terry -- Terry Hancock ( hancock at anansispaceworks.com ) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.anansispaceworks.com -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Raghavendra Bhat
Monique posts: >> I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely >> usable, but google seems to disagree Should the PDF format be used and recommended by governments? The Govt. of India is calling for opinions and this link is interesting http://gnu.org.in/philosoph

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 at 15:54 GMT, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) penned: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 14:08:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and >> freely usable, but google seems to disagree. > > Google isn't quite the all-seeing eye yet. >

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:50:32 -0600, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I attended media production classes > for staff at Caltech in which making maximum use of these > PDF 5 features was *really* pushed hard (sometime last year). > No doubt they had also

Re: PDF spec

2003-12-14 Thread John Hasler
Terry Hancock writes: > Which says they're trying to deny certain fair use rights... No it doesn't. Fair use is defined by law. It grants you the right to do certain things _without_ _the_ _copyright_ _owner's_ _permission_. The publisher has no obligation to enumerate your fair use rights. Th

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 12:56:45 -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: > I accessed this without registering because you provided a deep-link, but > normally, Adobe makes you go through a forms process to get this far, > AFAICT. Nope. I very vaguely recalled it being available on "developer.adobe.com" (whic

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread Terry Hancock
On Sunday 14 December 2003 09:54 am, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: > http://partners.adobe.com/asn/tech/pdf/specifications.jsp has e.g. > the PDF Reference, Fourth Edition, Version 1.5 (1172 pages). xpdf seems to > handle the "Acrobat 5" version of it just fine. Hmm. Yes, that's very interesting. I

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-14 Thread J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 14:08:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe and freely > usable, but google seems to disagree. Google isn't quite the all-seeing eye yet. http://partners.adobe.com/asn/tech/pdf/specifications.jsp has e.g. the P

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Saturday 13 December 2003 10:11 pm, Nunya wrote: > On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: > > It would be conceivable to call PDF 4 an open standard, since > > Ghostscript can already handle it. But we really ought to make > > a distinction, since the newer versions are

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Nunya
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: > It would be conceivable to call PDF 4 an open standard, since > Ghostscript can already handle it. But we really ought to make > a distinction, since the newer versions are incompatible. Or, I could even quote the right paragraph. [

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Nunya
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:08:07PM -0600, Terry Hancock wrote: > > This is equally true of DOC format, too, though. We *could* adopt > some prior version of it as a standard, seeing as several open > word processors can handle them already. Many PDFs I get don't display correctly in gv. The Calo

Re: PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Terry Hancock
On Saturday 13 December 2003 03:08 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > Oops. Hrm, I could have sworn that PDF was a spec published by Adobe > and freely usable, but google seems to disagree. It references some old > links from the adobe site, but they seem to have been removed. PDF 5.x is supposed to

PDF spec (Was: Re: ooh! debian jewelry)

2003-12-13 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 at 20:36 GMT, Terry Hancock penned: > > Furthermore, PDF isn't really an open data format, just a closed one > that turned out to be easier to crack than .doc files. Adobe isn't > any nicer about sharing their standards than Microsoft is. The fact > that we have good Linux re