On Sun, 2014-03-16 at 13:05 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> (Also as a reminder to self:) Please refer to offtopic list rather
> than bog down debian-user. Thanks Ralph for pointing me at o-t list.
> Apologies for raising this non-technical issue on d-u.
> Zenaan
For those who don't know the OT li
(Also as a reminder to self:) Please refer to offtopic list rather
than bog down debian-user. Thanks Ralph for pointing me at o-t list.
Apologies for raising this non-technical issue on d-u.
Zenaan
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On Fri, 2014-03-14 at 23:07 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:35:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > [snip]
>
> +1
>
> I remember reading some advice to a new internet user: "grow a thick
> skin".
+1
But that doesn't solve some serious issues Zenaan, some others and
On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:35:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 3/15/14, John L. Ries wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Tom H wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
>
> Li
On 3/15/14, John L. Ries wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Tom H wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if
they will
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, Tom H wrote:
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if
they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your piec
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
>>
>> Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if
>> they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your piece and
>> people can take it o
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 06:50:11PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> I did read it. Where did you think that I got the quotation from?
> (Note the quotation marks.)
OK, your point wasn't clear to me, I interpreted it as wondering whether
"assume good faith" was absent from the proposed CoC.
> I was as
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:30:06 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 09:11:57AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 March 2014 07:42:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > [1]
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/02/msg00069.html
> >
> > What happened to: "Assume good
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 09:11:57AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 March 2014 07:42:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/02/msg00069.html
>
> What happened to: "Assume good faith"?
It's the second part of the CoC proposal that I linked to, immed
On 03/11/2014 03:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
...the project is considering the adoption of a 'code of conduct' which
will replace the existing mailing list CoC. The text of the proposal is
here[1]. Of particular relevance here is, I think, "a community in which
people feel threatened is not
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 07:42:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
> > Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone
> > if they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your
> > piece and people can take it o
On 2014-03-11, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 07:38:01PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> Everyone is new at sometime or other. A helping hand is always
>> welcome. Remember that honey attracts more flies than vinegar.
>
> Actually, you attract more fruit flies with vinegar than
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:10:11 +1100 (EST)
Charlie Schroeder wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:14:26 -0400 "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
> litt...@gmail.com" suggested this:
>
> >But as Dave said, yelling at first-time poster for a non-repeated
> >minor mistake is just going to drive him o
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 01:10:11PM +1100, Charlie Schroeder wrote:
> Life isn't about second guessing if you write or speak to someone if
> they will take offence surely? Isn't it so that you say your piece and
> people can take it or leave it. It's up to them.
"Life" and the Debian user mailing l
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 20:14:26 -0400 "Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
litt...@gmail.com" suggested this:
>But as Dave said, yelling at first-time poster for a non-repeated minor
>mistake is just going to drive him over to Apple or back to Microsoft,
>and once we've driven away a few million, do
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 07:38:01PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> Everyone is new at sometime or other. A helping hand is always
> welcome. Remember that honey attracts more flies than vinegar.
Actually, you attract more fruit flies with vinegar than honey.
--
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Hi Stan,
There is no denying you can be abrupt at times, nor can it be
denied you're quite helpful.
Bravo and keep up the good work.
Mike
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 03:45:37AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
> Note: To everyon
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:16:12 +1100
Charlie wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:15:11 -0400 Dave Woyciesjes sent:
>
> > It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian &
> > Linux.
>
> Do you think so?
I definitely think so. And if we ever want our OS of choice to have
sufficient marke
On 3/10/2014 5:16 PM, Charlie wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:15:11 -0400 Dave Woyciesjes sent:
It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian &
Linux.
Do you think so? Or is it that people are accustomed to having it all
done for them, just turn the key and the engine fires up?
Th
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:15:11 -0400 Dave Woyciesjes sent:
> It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian &
> Linux.
Do you think so? Or is it that people are accustomed to having it all
done for them, just turn the key and the engine fires up?
That "attitude" should be ignored if o
On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 10:34 -0400, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
. . .
> The phoentic would be "noob". Which is part of my confusion. That and
> having never seen the word nub used in the context like you had
When I first read the sentence with "nub" in it I was completely
confused because I wa
On 03/10/2014 10:47 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 10 March 2014 14:34:43 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this
list, and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough
love posts such as in this thread. And even though said new
users
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
On 03/10/2014 04:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note: To everyone. Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)
I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny th
On Monday 10 March 2014 14:34:43 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> > It's pretty damn sad that a 'certain' type of new users join this
> > list, and the first post they see from me is one of my rare tough
> > love posts such as in this thread. And even though said new
> > users are not the recipient of the
On 03/10/2014 08:29 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 3/10/2014 4:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
I've been using the phonetic abbreviation "nub" for over 15 years
Knowledge is not an excuse for being an anal orifice. And just because
you've been using something wrong for over 15 years does not
On 03/10/2014 04:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note: To everyone. Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)
I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this
On 03/09/2014 11:05 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 10/03/14 11:15, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
On 03/09/2014 06:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 09 mar 14, 01:39:56, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by that)
isn't an insu
On 03/09/2014 09:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by
that) isn't an insult?
"nub", short for newbie, i.e. new user. And no, it is not an insult.
Lisi
Ahh, thanks. In my travels, w
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:42:09AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> > Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by
> > that) isn't an insult?
>
> "nub", short for newbie, i.e. new user. And no, it is not an insult.
>
> Lisi
>
On 3/10/2014 4:45 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note: To everyone. Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)
I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this b
Note: My use of you/your etc is plural, singling out no individual
Note: To everyone. Don your Kevlar and CBRN suits ;)
I've been avoiding engaging this juvenile nonsense, but given some of
you whiny thin skinned PC police simply will not drop this bone,
apparently it's up to me to lay down the
On 10/03/14 11:15, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> On 03/09/2014 06:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Du, 09 mar 14, 01:39:56, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
>>
> Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by that)
> isn't an insult? And you think there was no condescendin
On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 21:55:05 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 3/9/2014 9:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> >> Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by
> >> that) isn't an insult?
> >
> > "nub", short for newbie, i.e. new us
On 3/9/2014 9:42 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by
that) isn't an insult?
"nub", short for newbie, i.e. new user. And no, it is not an insult.
Lisi
Maybe not where you are. But her
On Monday 10 March 2014 00:15:18 Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> Really, calling the OP a "nub" ( whatever the hell he means by
> that) isn't an insult?
"nub", short for newbie, i.e. new user. And no, it is not an insult.
Lisi
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On 03/09/2014 06:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 09 mar 14, 01:39:56, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
[big snip]
Everyone,
The least you could do when you hijack a thread would be to change the
subject, otherwise you'll be swamping the OP with OT chatter that
doesn't even help h
On Du, 09 mar 14, 01:39:56, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com wrote:
[big snip]
> Everyone,
The least you could do when you hijack a thread would be to change the
subject, otherwise you'll be swamping the OP with OT chatter that
doesn't even help him (quite the contrary).
> Doesn't it seem t
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