On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:06:16AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:36:51PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > Recent updates of the Highway Code allow both alternatives; they point
> > out that offside-to-offside ("tangle") turning is safer for the reason
> > Colin gives, but allow th
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:03:53AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of
> > you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the
> > right of you.
>
> Nobody should be next to you in the lane.
Yes, people coming from the right t
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:36:51PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Recent updates of the Highway Code allow both alternatives; they point
> out that offside-to-offside ("tangle") turning is safer for the reason
> Colin gives, but allow the driver to judge which
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:00:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or
> the right edge?
When in doubt, take the lane. Seriously. Taking the lane is
considered a defensive move in Orego
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 12:17:37PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
> >
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 10:09:37AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 06:00:03PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > It's a requirement in the UK Highway Code. While Paul decries it on
> > safety grounds, the rationale is in fact that going around the other
> > vehicle like this is saf
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 01:00:10PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> When I'm waiting to turn left on a median, do I wait on the left edge or
> the right edge? Both are bad -- one way cars have to cross in front of
> you, the other way you block visibility for people turning left to the
> right of you.
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 07:59:08PM +, stephen parkinson wrote:
> actually i think this used to be reccommended behaviour at traffic
> lights, but doesn't seem to be the norm now :-(
> to do this, it needs some cooperation from the on-coming stream of
> traffic, aka intelligence :-)
The guide
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning.
>> Could you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
>
> If you were to perform a tangle turn in the US, when you turn left
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 06:00:03PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> It's a requirement in the UK Highway Code. While Paul decries it on
> safety grounds, the rationale is in fact that going around the other
> vehicle like this is safer because you can see
On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
> > It doesn't help that you handle cross-traffic turns (left in the US,
> > right in GB) by what Americans call "tangle turning" and is a major
> > no-no on the west side of the pond...why hold
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48:55AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> As a USian, I'm really confused by this description of turning. Could
> you please explain the term "tangle turning"?
If you were to perform a tangle turn in the US, when you turn l
On 2004-02-25, Paul Johnson penned:
>
> It doesn't help that you handle cross-traffic turns (left in the US,
> right in GB) by what Americans call "tangle turning" and is a major
> no-no on the west side of the pond...why hold fast to "keep left" when
> it's safer on a right turn at an intersection
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:14:30PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Probably to do with the crowded conditions on UK roads... with
> something like a quarter of the US's population crammed into the area
> of one of the smaller states, most people of an age to dr
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:14:30PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> >
> > The Chevy Cavaliers of around 2001-2002 were the other way, and hyper
> > sensitive. I've seen the ABS come on at 5kph at the end of a stop,
> > completely removing any
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> > the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> > locking the wheels", so I'd guess any kind of
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:11:10AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
>
> > It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> > the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> >
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Pigeon wrote:
> It's a long time since I took my car test, and I had no problems with
> the emergency stop, but the examiner's instructions were "...without
> locking the wheels", so I'd guess any kind of lock would be a fail.
> Dunno what they do now that ABS is common.
Does
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:48:12AM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> > Then again, the traction control doesn't work worth a damn either :)
>
> I'd be surprised if that's the case. You can't expect too much from
> anything claiming to give you better control.
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