Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-23 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 09:45:05PM +, Glyn Astill wrote: > > 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' is no more dangerous than having the 'su' binary > > available. > > > > The NOPASSWD option is not the default. > > No. For su they'd have to enter the root password, for sudo su they'd > just have to enter the passw

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-23 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: > hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to > play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i > can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the > root p

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2009-05-22_18:19:19, dwain wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Hi, dwain I went back in the archives and read your original post. It is pretty clear to me from that post that you are a single user working on your own computer. There is no sysadmin to help or

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Neal Hogan
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:19 PM, dwain wrote: > > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: >> >> > i too was disappointed.  i tried su and authentication failed.  how do i >> > update my system without being able to log in as root? >> > >> > now i don't mind a spirited discussio

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Alex Samad
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 07:09:17PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > > [snip] > > A last resort would be: > > 1.physically disconnect the box from the network. > 2.boot a live CD

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > i too was disappointed. i tried su and authentication failed. how do i > > update my system without being able to log in as root? > > > > now i don't mind a spirited discussion on the pros and cons of sudo vs. > su, > > but my origina

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:50:28PM -0500, dwain wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > > > I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my > > original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my > > understanding the whole purpose of sudo is s

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, George wrote: > I was a little disappointed being called out on my suggestions in my > original post. Obviously the person isn’t a sys admin and from my > understanding the whole purpose of sudo is so the user only has root > privileges for that given command inst

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In Friday 22 May 2009, Glyn wrote: >--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> Glyn Astill wrote: >> > ALL=(All) ALL is a bad idea. >> >> Um, no. With 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' they would still have to >> type in their >> password unless they had recently given their >> credentials. If you want

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 9:20 PM > In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <857394.80354...@web23608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Glyn Astill wrote: >--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> It's not equivalent to running as root, since (a) you have >> to prefix >> privileged operations with "sudo", (b) you have to re-auth >> such actions by >> entering your pass

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Glyn Astill
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. > Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, 22 May, 2009, 8:14 PM > In <20090522183807.ga16...@marksh

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <78582fa40905221202r3efedabege566a47c61144...@mail.gmail.com>, S Scharf wrote: >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer < >subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com >wrote: >> It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log >> in on a separate, secure console, thereby elim

RE: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread George
>From: S Scharf [mailto:ss11...@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:03 PM >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux) >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer >wrote: >It *would* be safer to us

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <20090522183807.ga16...@markshroyer.com>, Mark Shroyer wrote: >On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: >> You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make >> his system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is >> pretty much the same as runni

Re: sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread S Scharf
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mark Shroyer < subscriber+deb...@markshroyer.com >wrote: > > It *would* be safer to use neither su nor sudo, and only have root log > in on a separate, secure console, thereby eliminating the possibility of > password sniffing from a compromised regular account. H

sudo vs. su (was Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux)

2009-05-22 Thread Mark Shroyer
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:56:18AM -0700, Thorny wrote: > You've just advised an obvious newbie (stated in post) on how to make his > system insecure. Giving ALL=(All) ALL rights to a normal user is pretty > much the same as running as root and is not recommended on a Debian > system. It is what wa

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Thorny
On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:14:59 -0400, George posted: > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. > > > > If you want to install sudo you will first need to open a terminal and > type: > > $ su > > $ > > # aptitude update <- let it do it’s thing and it will tell you if there

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 08:45:03AM -0400, Bob Parnes wrote: > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:24:49AM -0400, Daryl Styrk wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: > > > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. >

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
-Original Message- From: Daryl Styrk [mailto:darylst...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:25 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 06:14:59AM -0400, George wrote: > You have to install the sudo package to be able to use sudo. > > > # vim /etc/sudoers < now you can edit the sudoers file and add your username. > The new line will look just like the line

RE: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread George
orge Randall From: dwain [mailto:dwain.alf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:03 AM To: debian Subject: new to list, new to debian, new to linux hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and

Re: new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread Daryl Styrk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:03:23AM -0500, dwain wrote: > hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to > play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i > can't sudo into root. i can get into the

new to list, new to debian, new to linux

2009-05-22 Thread dwain
hello all. i just installed debian tonight next to win xp. they seem to play well together. i was trying to setup the bug report and found that i can't sudo into root. i can get into the synaptic package manager with the root password and this has me a bit confused why i can't login as root in

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Kent West
Jacob S. wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:19:49 -0400 Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" -- Kent Jacob Andreas Janssen You guys deserve an award for consistency or something! :-) Great minds think alike. (Not that I think I ha

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Jacob S.
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:19:49 -0400 Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" > > > >-- > >Kent > > >Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". > > > >HTH, > >Jacob > > > > > Try > > > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > > > if you use XFree 4. > > > > best

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:47:11 -0500, Bob Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a program that I can run (in text mode) that will allow > me to change the video card. A different flavour of answer - if you know which module you need for your vid card, or failing that a generic one like ves

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Nathan
You guys deserve an award for consistency or something! >Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" > >-- >Kent >Try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". > >HTH, >Jacob > > Try > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 > > if you use XFree 4. > > best regards > Andreas Janssen > -- To

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Bob Schmidt
Hi Again, Has anyone out there installed debian on an AS4000? What video card did you set it up for? Bob Jacob S. wrote: On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:47:11 -0500 Bob Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm new to the list, and to Debian. I have played around with other linux distro's before but

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Bob Schmidt (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > I'm new to the list, and to Debian. I have played around with other > linux distro's before but not much with debian. Anyway, I have an > AS4000 alpha server that I installed Debian Release 3.0r1 on. The > installation went well, and the computer r

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Kent West
Bob Schmidt wrote: Anyway, I have an AS4000 alpha server that I installed Debian Release 3.0r1 on. The installation went well, and the computer rebooted fine. I do seem to have a problem with my video card though. I know that I initially entered the wrong card. Is there a program that I can run

Re: question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Jacob S.
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:47:11 -0500 Bob Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I'm new to the list, and to Debian. I have played around with other > linux distro's before but not much with debian. Anyway, I have an > AS4000 alpha server that I installed Debian Release 3.0r1 on. The > installat

question, new to list

2004-06-24 Thread Bob Schmidt
Hi, I'm new to the list, and to Debian. I have played around with other linux distro's before but not much with debian. Anyway, I have an AS4000 alpha server that I installed Debian Release 3.0r1 on. The installation went well, and the computer rebooted fine. I do seem to have a problem with my

Re: New to list

2003-08-04 Thread Anil Gupte
Thanx Kevin and Karsten! Will download the docs. Anil Gupte - Original Message - From: "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:53 AM Subject: Re: New to list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: New to list

2003-08-04 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:08:18PM -0500, Anil Gupte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi all! > > I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on > the last one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is: > > I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian.

Re: New to list

2003-08-04 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 00:08, Anil Gupte wrote: > Hi all! > Hi Anil, > I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on the last > one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is: > > I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I always > learned by as

New to list

2003-08-03 Thread Anil Gupte
Hi all! I am resending this message because I forgot to change the topic on the last one. Most lists want a hello message, so here it is: I am newbie to Linux, and decide to throw my lot in with Debian. I always learned by asking questions, so I hope you won't mind newbie questions here. Otherw

Re: New to list - is there a FAQ?

1999-05-14 Thread Keith G. Murphy
Bryan Scaringe wrote: > > Hi, > I just joined the list. Any docs I should read before posting? > Is there a list-specific FAQ? (I've seen the Debian-FAQ.) > I have had experience with various Linux distros for a couple of > years, and just switched from RedHat to Debian (because o

Re: New to list - is there a FAQ?

1999-05-13 Thread shaleh
> > Hi, > I just joined the list. Any docs I should read before posting? > Is there a list-specific FAQ? (I've seen the Debian-FAQ.) > I have had experience with various Linux distros for a couple of > years, and just switched from RedHat to Debian (because of the awful network > init

New to list - is there a FAQ?

1999-05-13 Thread Bryan Scaringe
Hi, I just joined the list. Any docs I should read before posting? Is there a list-specific FAQ? (I've seen the Debian-FAQ.) I have had experience with various Linux distros for a couple of years, and just switched from RedHat to Debian (because of the awful network init scripts in

Hello Debian People (new to list test)

1998-09-25 Thread Steven Udell
Hello Debian People (new to list test) Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]