IP vs IFCONFIG (was Re: Network card recommendation)

2005-09-05 Thread Daniel L. Miller
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel L. Miller wrote: My firewall is continuing to run reliably - of course. I have noticed that on of the 3com NICs, I have a single RX overrun reported. Just one - no errors, and no increases in the overrun number. :00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporati

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-25 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel L. Miller wrote: My firewall is continuing to run reliably - of course. I have noticed that on of the 3com NICs, I have a single RX overrun reported. Just one - no errors, and no increases in the overrun number. Which 3

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel L. Miller wrote: > My firewall is continuing to run reliably - of course. I have noticed > that on of the 3com NICs, I have a single RX overrun reported. Just one > - no errors, and no increases in the overrun number. Which 3com model exactly? (lspci output, please)

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-24 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Status report: My firewall is continuing to run reliably - of course. I have noticed that on of the 3com NICs, I have a single RX overrun reported. Just one - no errors, and no increases in the overrun number. I used to also have one RX overrun on the other NIC - but not anymore. Hmm

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-22 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Yuri Gorshkov wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel L. Miller wrote: Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. What's a poor admin to do? Don't flame, just stick with the 3COM and their 3C905... Works well and it's robust (although

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-19 Thread Nicolas Cadou
Le 19 Août 2005 09:17, Yuri Gorshkov a écrit : > P.S. Realtek relly sucks more than a Microsoft vacuum cleaner ever > sucked ;-). Anything would suck more than a MS vacuum cleaner, as a MS vacuum cleaner would be the one and only thing that doesn't suck :-) Nicolas

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-19 Thread Yuri Gorshkov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. > What's a poor admin to do? > Don't flame, just stick with the 3COM and their 3C905... Works well and it's robust (although 3COM had some problems with

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-17 Thread tigergutt
ons, 17,.08.2005 kl. 01.53 -0600, skrev Nate Duehr: > Daniel L. Miller wrote: > > > Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. > > What's a poor admin to do? > > Buy both and test, like any good engineer. ;-) Realtek -> max 12MB/s 3com -> Max ~50MB/s (Disk don't del

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-17 Thread Nate Duehr
Daniel L. Miller wrote: Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. What's a poor admin to do? Buy both and test, like any good engineer. ;-) Nate -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Thanx - that's a reasonable answer. At the moment then, it sounds like > the 3Com 3c905 or Intel Pro/100 series should be my preferred sources > for 10/100 cards - with SMC as a third place contender. 3COM 3C905C or newer. The 3C905B are so-so. A

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:48:30AM -0700, Daniel L. Miller wrote: Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. What's a poor admin to do? Don't use realtek :-) Well documented and well supported != good performing. Some of the best

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 11:48:30AM -0700, Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Great! So now some people say Realtek sucks, others say it's better. What's > a > poor admin to do? Don't use realtek :-) Well documented and well supported != good performing. Some of the best supported hardware in Linux is

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:35:40PM +0200, Hans du Plooy wrote: > Gnu-Raiz wrote: > >Cpu nic usage is a little moot, with dual core chips, > Well, I have seen the following. Pentium-III 1ghz with 3com nic, maxing > the CPU under heavy network (100mbit) load such as copying stuff over > samba/nfs.

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Hans du Plooy
Sarunas Burdulis wrote: So is the CPU load caused by the copying program (scp, rsync, samba, nfs) or by the driver? How should this be determined? Well, that's hard to say, subjective at least from my perspective, but I find samba and nfs to be fairly low on CPU as compared to scp. On that s

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
Hans du Plooy wrote: > Gnu-Raiz wrote: > >> Cpu nic usage is a little moot, with dual core chips, > > Well, I have seen the following. Pentium-III 1ghz with 3com nic, maxing > the CPU under heavy network (100mbit) load such as copying stuff over > samba/nfs. AthlonXP 2ghz (2400+) with marvel gi

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Gnu-Raiz wrote: On 01:27, Tue 16 Aug 05, Anders Breindahl wrote: On Monday 15 August 2005 23:48, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is not expensive. Y

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Rogério Brito wrote: On Aug 16 2005, Hans du Plooy wrote: I'll add my voice for this, the Realtek chips (at least the 100mbit ones) are rubbish. They don't perform well, they're incredibly sensitive to interference, and they have a habit of not lasting long. In the mean time, Jeff G

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Hans du Plooy wrote: Gnu-Raiz wrote: Cpu nic usage is a little moot, with dual core chips, Well, I have seen the following. Pentium-III 1ghz with 3com nic, maxing the CPU under heavy network (100mbit) load such as copying stuff over samba/nfs. AthlonXP 2ghz (2400+) with marvel gigabit cont

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Hans du Plooy
Gnu-Raiz wrote: Cpu nic usage is a little moot, with dual core chips, Well, I have seen the following. Pentium-III 1ghz with 3com nic, maxing the CPU under heavy network (100mbit) load such as copying stuff over samba/nfs. AthlonXP 2ghz (2400+) with marvel gigabit controller, copying files to

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Rogério Brito
On Aug 16 2005, Hans du Plooy wrote: > I'll add my voice for this, the Realtek chips (at least the 100mbit > ones) are rubbish. They don't perform well, they're incredibly > sensitive to interference, and they have a habit of not lasting long. In the mean time, Jeff Garzik (the maintainer of ma

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Gnu-Raiz
On 01:27, Tue 16 Aug 05, Anders Breindahl wrote: > On Monday 15 August 2005 23:48, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: > > > A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is not > > > expensive. > > > > Yeah. It's safe in th

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-16 Thread Hans du Plooy
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Yeah. It's safe in the same way that a Pinto was safe in a rear end collision. Seriously, Realtek are the *cheapest* and *worst* possible chips. If you want anything approaching reliable, then don't get them. If you want something that will not hog your CPU under heav

Re: Network card recommendation - testing

2005-08-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Anders Breindahl wrote: > Please educate me: What exactly determines a NIC's reliability? What defines > its effectiveness? use 2 machines for all tests, but use the same nic card in both machines scp machine1:/opt/test/10MB.tgz machine2:/opt/junk try the same te

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 04:58:09PM -0700, Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >Among other things, its load on the CPU when under heavy traffic load. > >Certain cards implement a minimal hardware set and do most of their > >processing in the driver software. The size of the buffe

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:27:21AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote: On Monday 15 August 2005 23:48, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:27:21AM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote: > On Monday 15 August 2005 23:48, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: > > > A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is not > > > expensive. > > > > Yeah.

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Anders Breindahl
On Monday 15 August 2005 23:48, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: > > A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is not > > expensive. > > Yeah. It's safe in the same way that a Pinto was safe in a rear end > collision.

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 10:54:40PM +0200, Jan Schledermann wrote: > A safe bet is a card with a realtek chip. It works well and is not > expensive. > Yeah. It's safe in the same way that a Pinto was safe in a rear end collision. Seriously, Realtek are the *cheapest* and *worst* possible chips.

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread tigergutt
man, 15,.08.2005 kl. 13.39 -0700, skrev Daniel L. Miller: > Not to start a war, but . . . > > What's the definitive, must-have, kick-ass, bestest, baddest network > card - that has Linux kernel driver support of course. > > I'd like an answer for both the 100BaseT and 1000BaseT competitions. >

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Jan Schledermann
Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Not to start a war, but . . . > > What's the definitive, must-have, kick-ass, bestest, baddest network > card - that has Linux kernel driver support of course. > > I'd like an answer for both the 100BaseT and 1000BaseT competitions. > I've tried various Google, searches

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Dave Ewart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel L. Miller wrote: > What's the definitive, must-have, kick-ass, bestest, baddest network > card - that has Linux kernel driver support of course. Always had good results with the Intel cards, the gigabit versions use the e1000 driver: normally

Re: Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 01:39:14PM -0700, Daniel L. Miller wrote: > Not to start a war, but . . . > > What's the definitive, must-have, kick-ass, bestest, baddest network card - > that has Linux kernel driver support of course. > > I'd like an answer for both the 100BaseT and 1000BaseT competiti

Network card recommendation

2005-08-15 Thread Daniel L. Miller
Not to start a war, but . . . What's the definitive, must-have, kick-ass, bestest, baddest network card - that has Linux kernel driver support of course. I'd like an answer for both the 100BaseT and 1000BaseT competitions. I've tried various Google, searches, and haven't gotten a real comfo