On 20121016_120614, John Hasler wrote:
> I just tried name1.glorb.com. It is distributing correct time and your
> machine is synchronizing properly to it. Your wall clock is broken.
> --
> John Hasler
I've placed an order for a replacement 'atomic' clock. Thanks to everyone
for the interesting
/snip/
If and since when the US take part of this coordination--I don't know.
The US do not like international agreements. Have the US signed the
Human Rights, or the international Woman Rights?
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
The NIST site I mentioned before details the US participation in
Coordi
On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 09:49 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
> cheap ones (20 - 40 EUR/USD)
Radio-controlled table clocks cost less than 9,- EUR some time ago, at a
German discounter.
End of 2009 I bought a power meter for 9.99 EUR from a German
discounter. I've got reasonable doubt that the m
Am 16.10.2012 um 18:54 schrieb Doug:
If you live within the coverage area and
your WWVB clock is unable to synchronize, it usually means a source
of radio interference
is near the receiver. Some common culprits are computer monitors
(some have a
scan rate at or very close to 60 kHz), noisy
Am 16.10.2012 um 15:48 schrieb Paul E Condon:
I think you are mistaken about the sync only once a day. The signals
giving the year month and day are given once a day, but the precise
time-tics are given throughout the day. My clock has an indication
when it is receiving the radio signal which
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:49:19AM -0400, Doug wrote:
>
> >>A receiver for WWVB at 60KHz that would decode the signals would be
> >>as accurate as anyone could want. That's the signal that your "atomic"
> >>clock receives, so the clock *should* be accurate. You might only be
> >>able to receive t
To add to my previous post, re WWV: you can still hear the
radio station by telephone. the website I cited before can
be reached, as reported:
To hear these broadcasts, dial (303) 499-7111 for WWV and (808) 335-4363
for WWVH.
You can listen for about two minutes before your call is disconnecte
I just tried name1.glorb.com. It is distributing correct time and your
machine is synchronizing properly to it. Your wall clock is broken.
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It is instructive to look at the NIST website that discusses the time
standards and the broadcasting of the time.
http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1383.pdf
There is a useful chart of available sources of time and the accuracy
available
on page 11, table 1.1.
Problems in reception are discussed,
On 20121016_123854, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * Helmut Wollmersdorfer [121016 12:12]:
>
> > My experience with radio clocks is that they have cheap electronic
> > components failing to work after some time.
>
> Unless you have more than one "atomic clock" and both agree,
> the first thing to
Darac Marjal wrote at 2012-10-16 04:00 -0500:
> Instead, I would suggest that it is your wall clock that is running
> slow.
Perhaps the second hand moved relative to the shaft at some point.
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A receiver for WWVB at 60KHz that would decode the signals would be
as accurate as anyone could want. That's the signal that your "atomic"
clock receives, so the clock *should* be accurate. You might only be
able to receive the signal in the nighttime hours, like the clock.
Typically, the clock
On Ma, 16 oct 12, 07:48:17, Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> I think you are mistaken about the sync only once a day. The signals
> giving the year month and day are given once a day, but the precise
> time-tics are given throughout the day.
Well, in Europe the signal is indeed sent every second, but th
On 20121016_102703, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
>
> Am 16.10.2012 um 04:35 schrieb Paul E Condon:
>
> >I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I
> >have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian
> >desktop computer. The physical computer has changed
On 20121016_062545, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > Now I am running NTP.
>
> Does Ntp agree with your wall clock?
> --
> John Hasler
No. It displays the same offset into the future in reference to the
SkyScan clock.
Also, I have escalated my effort on this. I actually have three
* Helmut Wollmersdorfer [121016 12:12]:
> My experience with radio clocks is that they have cheap electronic
> components failing to work after some time.
Unless you have more than one "atomic clock" and both agree,
the first thing to do is remove the battery from the clock for several
seconds
Paul E Condon writes:
> Now I am running NTP.
Does Ntp agree with your wall clock?
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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 02:59:37AM -0400, Doug wrote:
> On 10/16/2012 02:07 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> >>Paul E Condon writes:
> >>>Ideas?
> >>Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
> >>commands.
> >>--
> >>John Hasler
> >I've now
On 10/16/2012 02:07 AM, Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
Paul E Condon writes:
Ideas?
Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
commands.
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I've now switched to chrony. The offset between 'atomic clock' and
Gnome clock display rema
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > Ideas?
>
> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
> commands.
> --
> John Hasler
I've now switched to chrony. The offset between 'atomic clock' and
Gnome clock display remains greater than 15sec. Its hard
> Paul E Condon writes:
> On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
>>> Ideas?
>> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
>> commands.
> Now I am running NTP. Is there something I could post from NTP that
> would be useful?
$ ntpq
On 10/15/2012 10:35 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I
have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian
desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years,
but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock. Unti
On 20121015_214840, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > Ideas?
>
> Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
> commands.
> --
> John Hasler
Now I am running NTP. Is there something I could post from NTP
that would be useful? The switch will take some time, and I'
Paul E Condon writes:
> Ideas?
Run cronyc and post the results of the "tracking" and "sources"
commands.
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I've been running Debian for many years. During most of those years I
have had a SkyScan(tm) 'Atomic Clock' on the wall near my Debian
desktop computer. The physical computer has changed over the years,
but not my using Debian, or my Atomic Clock. Until a few weeks ago,
they always displayed the sa
Sam Varghese declaimed:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 07:41:38AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > Sam Varghese writes:
> > > ntpdate always complains that it cannot find the time servers.
> > > ...
How did you find them? I went to Google and found a list right away.
Since I'm not a server w/100s of client
John Hasler wrote:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
> > Therefore, debian hackers should not waste their time trying to solve
> > problems that they imagine such a person might have.
>
> I wrote:
> > What are you talking about?
>
> Paul E Condon writes:
> > The current standard precision clock...
>
> I know
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 07:41:38AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Sam Varghese writes:
> > ntpdate always complains that it cannot find the time servers.
> > ...
> > chrony runs without complaint.
>
> This has got to be a configuration problem, as ntpdate and chrony use the
> same protocol, the same
Paul E Condon wrote:
> Therefore, debian hackers should not waste their time trying to solve
> problems that they imagine such a person might have.
I wrote:
> What are you talking about?
Paul E Condon writes:
> The current standard precision clock...
I know all that. I'm asking you to identify
John Hasler wrote:
> > Atomic clock accuracy is really not an issue on the internet.
>
> Those who run stratum one timeservers still like them, though.
>
> > I get fluctuation in reoprted return time of about one second form
> > California.
>
> Which is why programs such as chronyd and ntpd go to
Sam Varghese writes:
> ntpdate always complains that it cannot find the time servers.
> ...
> chrony runs without complaint.
This has got to be a configuration problem, as ntpdate and chrony use the
same protocol, the same ports, and can use the same servers.
> i'm not a techie but it looks like
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:27:21PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Sam Varghese writes:
> > i used ntpdate initially but have now swicthed to chrony. the same guy
> > who wrote pppconfig has written this utility and like pppconfig it is
> > simple and works well.
>
> Thank you, but I did not write chr
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 12:40:47PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Sam Varghese wrote:
>
> > i used ntpdate initially but have now swicthed to chrony. the same
> > guy who wrote pppconfig has written this utility and like pppconfig
> > it is simple and works well.
>
> Is ntpdate not simple, or doe
on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 03:23:28PM -0700, Gary Hennigan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> "Paul E Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<...>
> > My experience with this issue may be interesting to others...
> >
> > 1. ntp-simple does not exist in Packages.gz as downloaded today from
> > ftp.us.debian
Gary Turner writes:
> As a matter of possible general interest, NIST makes available source and
> binaries (Mac & Win) on their site.
>From nistime.man:
Description
This program connects to the daytime service on the NIST time
server time_a.timefreq.bldrdoc.gov using t
On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:47:21 -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
>I want to automate the time/date setting on my computer( Potato ).
>I suppose there is a program that accesses NIST time server and
>allows me to update.
>
>What is the name of the debian package to do this?
>
>
Paul E Condon writes:
> I guess it is not NTP...
It is NTP.
> ...since that requires that the other host is running NTP deamon.
It does. Chronyd is both an NTP server and an NTP client.
> What method does it use.
NTP.
> Maybe it should be substituted for NTP.
For most purposes chrony is an
s to the time, but instead incrementally adjusts your clock to
match the ntp server. ntpdate just sets your clock to the correct
time.
If you do install ntp before ntpdate, you can always:
/etc/init.d/ntp stop
/etc/init.d/ntpdate start
/etc/init.d/ntp start
> 3. My readin
installation from the
command line.
3. My reading of stuff on the NIST time web site leads me to believe that NTP
(the protocol)
is poorly designed and obsolescent. But don't ask me to defend that. Read what
they say,
and draw your own conclusions.
4. Documentation for ntp indicates that
Sam Varghese writes:
> i used ntpdate initially but have now swicthed to chrony. the same guy
> who wrote pppconfig has written this utility and like pppconfig it is
> simple and works well.
Thank you, but I did not write chrony. Richard Curnow is the author. I
am merely the maintainer of the De
Sam Varghese wrote:
> i used ntpdate initially but have now swicthed to chrony. the same
> guy who wrote pppconfig has written this utility and like pppconfig
> it is simple and works well.
Is ntpdate not simple, or does it not work well? What caused you to want
to switch? I use ntpdate and it s
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:47:21AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I want to automate the time/date setting on my computer( Potato ).
> I suppose there is a program that accesses NIST time server and
> allows me to update.
>
> What is the name of the debian package to do this?
"Craig Dickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul E Condon wrote:
>
> > I want to automate the time/date setting on my computer( Potato ).
> > I suppose there is a program that accesses NIST time server and
> > allows me to update.
> >
> &g
Paul E Condon wrote:
> I want to automate the time/date setting on my computer( Potato ).
> I suppose there is a program that accesses NIST time server and
> allows me to update.
>
> What is the name of the debian package to do this?
I use the ntpdate client, but there is a
I want to automate the time/date setting on my computer( Potato ).
I suppose there is a program that accesses NIST time server and
allows me to update.
What is the name of the debian package to do this?
Paul
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