Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-14 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:23:36 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hello Andrei, >I'm curious about that as well, if anyone is aware of a deployment. https://www.sympa.org/users/custom has a list. Sympa admits to the likelihood that the list may be out of date. Additionally, many of the MLs of the organ

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-14 Thread tomas
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:07:12PM +0900, 황병희 wrote: > [sorry man it just off message] > > writes: > > > ... > > But I'm just a dumb C programmer :-) > > Oh tomas! you awesome! > Actually i like C programmer(s) ^^^ Be careful. We are a bit like dinosaurs :-) Cheers [1] https://xkcd.com/145/

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 20:37:29, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:19:56 -0500 > John Hasler wrote: > > Hello John, > > >Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web > >interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. > > It's not something I'd heard of. I'll chec

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread 황병희
[sorry man it just off message] writes: > ... > But I'm just a dumb C programmer :-) Oh tomas! you awesome! Actually i like C programmer(s) ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee -- ^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:50:54 +0200 Sven Hartge wrote: >> Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all >> others have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a >> part of a thread into a new one. > Although not clear from my comment, I am awar

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:19:56 -0500 John Hasler wrote: Hello John, >Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web >interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. It's not something I'd heard of. I'll check it out. Not that I'm in the market for setting up an ML, or an

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:50:54 +0200 Sven Hartge wrote: Hello Sven, >Yes, but the sender of a message has to actively do that and all others >have to follow it. Also you can't retroactively split of a part of a >thread into a new one. Although not clear from my comment, I am aware that thread spl

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200 wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops >>> hi-jacking, drift, etc.) >> I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Dan writes: > Thank Cthulhu I'm not email-phobic :) > I imagine few others who "really want to help out" are either; just > that they have to be guided. I think that many of those who Neil McGovern is concerned about are. It's very common. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:09:02AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > tomás writes: > > Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, > > eliciting strong emotions (myself included). > > > Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance > > of having a produ

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, John Hasler wrote: > Brad writes: > > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > > and groups.io that I know of have it. > > Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web > interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. Thank C

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
Brad writes: > Most web forums don't have email capability though. Only discourse > and groups.io that I know of have it. Though described as a mailing list manager Sympa has a full Web interface that might satisfy email-phobic millennials. https://www.sympa.org/overview/features -- John Hasler

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread John Hasler
tomás writes: > Please, folks. The subject (mail vs discourse) is thorny enough, > eliciting strong emotions (myself included). > Mixing it up with group moderation is going to kill any chance > of having a productive discussion. > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform à la

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Dan Purgert
On Apr 13, 2020, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > > > It is, on the contrary

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:05:05 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: >> You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops >> hi-jacking, drift, etc.) >I don't see why mailing list software (technically) can't offer thi

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200 > wrote: > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > >This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > >easier for discourse? > > You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (s

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:32:55 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be >easier for discourse? You can close threads, so no further messages can be added (stops hi-jacking, drift, etc.) Can split message(s) off to start new topic (bec

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-13, wrote: > >> Why are you doing this? >> I have two motivations. First, is moderation. Discourse has built in >> tools to allow community moderation on a much better scale than our email >> lists. > > This one is surprising to me. Why should community moderation be > easier for d

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 apr 20, 10:32:55, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > > > It is, on t

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 08:23:40AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. > > It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change > as

Re: Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread Curt
On 2020-04-13, wrote: > > It is as easy to moderate a mailing list as it is a platform la > discourse. So this isn't a criterion to decide between both. It is, on the contrary, the *primary* criterion for the proposed change as given by the primary proponent of the change: Why are you doing th

Moderation (not!) [was: Debian is testing Discourse]

2020-04-13 Thread tomas
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:36:15AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 12:47:52 -0700 > Ihor Antonov wrote: > > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:39:43 PM PDT John Hasler wrote: [...] > > > "Ease of moderation" is *not* a plus. > > > > +1 > > Observing how zealots have moderated Norbert P