On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:01:28 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:35:31 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files
> >> are big (measured in GiB :-
On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:35:31 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files
>> are big (measured in GiB :-P).
>
> If you're still doing on-demand searching, have you considered us
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:48:30 + (UTC)
Camaleón wrote:
...
> with mbox and searching strings in Icedove is bit slow if mbox files are
> big (measured in GiB :-P).
If you're still doing on-demand searching, have you considered using a
mail indexer, such as Sylph-Searcher, or a generic file in
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:00:22 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Monday 01 November 2010 14:34:10 Camaleón wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:14:48 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> > Users didn't want UNIX or C when it was invented. Users didn't want
>> > the GUI when it was invented.
>
On Monday 01 November 2010 14:34:10 Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:14:48 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Users didn't want UNIX or C when it was invented. Users didn't want the
> > GUI when it was invented.
>
> Are you basing your argument in stating that all users in the world
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 14:14:48 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>> Studies and experience have shown time and time again that users
>>> *don't know* what they want. Henry Ford once said: "If I asked my
>>> customers what they wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse
In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:42:37 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In , Camaleón wrote:
>(...)
>
>>>If you are concerned about that "usability problem" then ask the users
>>>what would they prefer and what would be more confortable for them. Do
>>>not make the error of just
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:42:37 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In , Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>If you are concerned about that "usability problem" then ask the users
>>what would they prefer and what would be more confortable for them. Do
>>not make the error of just think for them.
>
> Studi
Dne, 01. 11. 2010 08:42:37 je Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. napisal(a):
Studies and experience have shown time and time again that users
*don't know*
what they want. Henry Ford once said: "If I asked my customers what
they
wanted, they would have said 'A faster horse.'" It is an unfortunate
tru
In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:40:49 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> When using the web, you are using a pull / request model. In this case,
>> server dictates the terms. The UA must accept and process whatever the
>> server deigns to deliver as part of the request, and the
On 10/30/2010 05:25 PM, Lisi wrote:
[snip]
I have finally understood that the rest of you want HTML functionality. I
have always thought that KMail's lack of friendliness to HTML is one of its
strengths.
Options, Lisi, *options*.
You can configure Thunderbird to (as I do) ignore html and yo
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:40:49 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>It is called "evolution".
>>
>>The first hypertext applications were not very dynamic, I'd say, just
>>text and some links to jump to. Just look around now what the web has to
>>offer.
>
> Yes, because HTM
On 10/31/2010 08:51 AM, Camaleón wrote:
[snip]
Come on, we cannot be so hypocrite. In no way html is a bad thing "per
se", it is an standard, it has it uses and people need that feature. 2400
people need that feature.
In business, people *constantly* use html mail in Outlook/Exchange
and it's
On 10/31/2010 08:14 AM, Klistvud wrote:
Dne, 31. 10. 2010 12:02:39 je Camaleón napisal(a):
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:49:24 +, Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:32:24 Camaleón wrote:
>> I don't see how a "lack" (meaning, "inability of choice") can
be a good
>> feature ;-(
I don't thi
On 10/30/2010 10:34 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Sat October 30 2010, Camaleón wrote:
You can please all the people all the time by allowing the user to be
able to be free of using the best e-mail format for every situation. And
so it does Thunderbird/Icedove but not Kmail :-(
yes, I didn't f
In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:51:04 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>>On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
Dne, 31. 10. 2010 14:51:00 je Camaleón napisal(a):
> I don't know how can you equate all that stuff with having html
>
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:51:04 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> In , Camaleón wrote:
>>On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
>>> Dne, 31. 10. 2010 14:51:00 je Camaleón napisal(a):
I don't know how can you equate all that stuff with having html
e-mail unsless you also av
In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
>> Dne, 31. 10. 2010 14:51:00 je Camaleón napisal(a):
>>> I don't know how can you equate all that stuff with having html e-mail
>>> unsless you also avoid using Internet (websites use html and not plain
>>> text and we are a
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 16:51:05 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 31. 10. 2010 14:51:00 je Camaleón napisal(a):
>> I don't know how can you equate all that stuff with having html e-mail
>> unsless you also avoid using Internet (websites use html and not plain
>> text and we are all happy with that).
>
Dne, 31. 10. 2010 14:51:00 je Camaleón napisal(a):
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:12 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
>
> I don't think you can directly equate "choice" to "feature" just
like
> that. Not letting kids wield guns, or prostitute themselves, or
work in
> sweatshops, are "features" although actu
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:14:12 +0100, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 31. 10. 2010 12:02:39 je Camaleón napisal(a):
>> >> I don't see how a "lack" (meaning, "inability of choice") can be a
>> >> good feature ;-(
>
> I don't think you can directly equate "choice" to "feature" just like
> that. Not letting k
On 10/31/2010 09:14 AM, Klistvud wrote:
> Unfortunately, many of us have that path quite simply *thrust upon
> us*. I wouldn't call that a choice by any stretch of the imagination.
> Ever tried updating your mail over a tethered UMTS phone because your
> DSL line just died or you're in the wild som
Dne, 31. 10. 2010 12:02:39 je Camaleón napisal(a):
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:49:24 +, Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:32:24 Camaleón wrote:
>> I don't see how a "lack" (meaning, "inability of choice") can be a
good
>> feature ;-(
I don't think you can directly equate "choice" to
On 10/31/2010 07:19 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> I always send plain text messages. If I wanted to I could forward an
> HTML message inline as Tbird has all kinds of flexibility in this
> regard. But why would I want to forward HTML garbage, inline or otherwise?
>
> "Rich HTML" email was a neat thi
Lisi put forth on 10/31/2010 5:49 AM:
> So here. I regard the fact that my emails are blessedly HTML and picture
> free
> as a strength, and a highly desirable feature.
Tbird has this great feature called "View Message Body As" with 3
options, one being plain text, the other two being varying
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:49:24 +, Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:32:24 Camaleón wrote:
>> I don't see how a "lack" (meaning, "inability of choice") can be a good
>> feature ;-(
>
> There _is_ choice - there are loads of email clients and most of them
> have inline pictures.
I would
On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:32:24 Camaleón wrote:
> I don't see how a "lack" (meaning, "inability of choice") can be a good
> feature ;-(
There _is_ choice - there are loads of email clients and most of them have
inline pictures.
But to give you an example of when a lack is a highly to be desir
On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:18:37 +, Lisi wrote:
> On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:09:18 Camaleón wrote:
>> If you want to keep images and html formatting of the original message,
>> as soon as you reply/forward inline you lose all the "fancy" things.
>
> Sorry :-( I simply hadn't grasped that you
On Sunday 31 October 2010 10:09:18 Camaleón wrote:
> If you want to keep images and html formatting of the original message,
> as soon as you reply/forward inline you lose all the "fancy" things.
Sorry :-( I simply hadn't grasped that you were all complaining at the fact
that Kmail doesn't handl
On Sunday 31 October 2010 01:26:54 you wrote:
> On 10/30/2010 06:25 PM, Lisi wrote:
> > I have finally understood that the rest of you want HTML functionality.
> > I have always thought that KMail's lack of friendliness to HTML is one of
> > its strengths.
>
> what I want is to be able to forward
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:14:35 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:05:43 Camaleón wrote:
>> Kmail only allows to forward "as an attachment" the original e-mail
>
> That is simply not correct. You can forward as attachment, in line, as
> a digest or redirect. I always use in line f
Paul Cartwright put forth on 10/30/2010 10:34 AM:
> the question is, do I want to try to go to all the trouble of converting my
> years of kmail mail, to MBOX format...
You may not have to, as it can be done automatically. If you have an
IMAP account somewhere simply copy all your email folder
On Wednesday 20 October 2010 13:12:53 Mihira Fernando wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 05:16 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > On Wed October 20 2010, AG wrote:
> >> However, bottom line: so far this is the most viable solution to the
> >> forwarding issue. I'm sorry to read that it doesn't work for you in a
On Wednesday 20 October 2010 10:05:43 Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Tue October 19 2010, Mike Bird wrote:
> > I use KMail/Kontact in KDE 3.5 in Lenny.
> >
> > Does pressing "T" ("Edit Message") and changing the "To" address
> > at the top come anywhere close to the functionality you need?
>
> no, it
On Saturday 30 October 2010 16:05:43 Camaleón wrote:
> Kmail only allows to forward "as an attachment" the original e-mail
That is simply not correct. You can forward as attachment, in line, as a
digest or redirect. I always use in line for exactly the reasons you give.
Lisi
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On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 15:48 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:34:18 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> > the question is, do I want to try to go to all the trouble of converting
> > my years of kmail mail, to MBOX format...
>
> Yes, that's another handicap :-)
>
> I love
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:34:18 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
(...)
> the question is, do I want to try to go to all the trouble of converting
> my years of kmail mail, to MBOX format...
Yes, that's another handicap :-)
I love "maildir" and Kmail has the ability to play fine with both formats
(mb
On Sat October 30 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> You can please all the people all the time by allowing the user to be
> able to be free of using the best e-mail format for every situation. And
> so it does Thunderbird/Icedove but not Kmail :-(
yes, I didn't finish reading the OP's original request, I fo
On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:41:04 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 October 2010 20:55:07 Camaleón wrote:
>> > Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that
>> > happens is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any
>> > attachments but that the OP's details can be edite
On Sat October 30 2010, Lisi wrote:
> > > Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
> > > is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
> > > but that the OP's details can be edited out?
> >
> > AFAICT, no.
>
> Copy and paste the email content
On Tuesday 19 October 2010 20:55:07 Camaleón wrote:
> > Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
> > is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
> > but that the OP's details can be edited out?
>
> AFAICT, no.
Copy and paste the email conte
On 10/21/2010 10:37 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Thu October 21 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
Just as an IMAP server centralizes email for network access, an LDAP
(Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) database on your desktop
machine would store all your contacts.
so, I could use that instead of
On Thu October 21 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Just as an IMAP server centralizes email for network access, an LDAP
> (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) database on your desktop
> machine would store all your contacts.
so, I could use that instead of having separate contact lists ( and keeping
On 10/21/2010 07:01 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Wed October 20 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
If you can get LDAP fully functional (no mean feat for a hobbyist)
on your desktop then *maybe* KMail and Kontact on your laptop can
see the data on your main machine.
I don't use kmail on my laptop, I us
On Wed October 20 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
> If you can get LDAP fully functional (no mean feat for a hobbyist)
> on your desktop then *maybe* KMail and Kontact on your laptop can
> see the data on your main machine.
I don't use kmail on my laptop, I use thunderbird. I get to my desktop from my
l
On 10/20/2010 08:05 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Wed October 20 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
I've tried evo&Sylpheed,
but they all seem to croak/crash/fail at IMAP&the kontact app suite.
Tbird/Icedove works fine with courier-IMAP.
yes, and I'
On Wed October 20 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > I've tried evo& Sylpheed,
> > but they all seem to croak/crash/fail at IMAP& the kontact app suite.
>
> Tbird/Icedove works fine with courier-IMAP.
yes, and I've used tbird on my laptop .
>
> > Is pegasus
On Wed October 20 2010, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Run an IMAP server on your desktop? With DynDNS, port forwarding
> and IMAPs you could access your email anywhere, and from most any
> machine.
nomachine was quick & easy & gave me direct access to my desktop from my
laptop. Right now on my desktop I
On 10/19/2010 05:01 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Tue October 19 2010, Camaleón wrote:
Icedove, of course. It allows the same features that Thunderbird.
Greetings,
I use thunderbird on my laptop, for when I travel.. Lately ( the last 6 weeks)
I've been using nomachine on my laptop to get to m
On 10/19/2010 04:58 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Tue October 19 2010, AG wrote:
I was actually thinking of giving Sylpheed Claws (is it still called
that??) a revisit since last I used it many, many moons back.
I have stayed with kmail for years, through 3 different distros, because I
like it
On Wed October 20 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> Kmail is a great (the best I've ever tried) e-mail client. Is just its
> html editor lacks some love and people who needs to work with html format
> has to think it twice before using it :-)
I totally agree. My worst frustration is trying to forward HTML e
On 10/20/2010 05:16 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote:
On Wed October 20 2010, AG wrote:
However, bottom line: so far this is the most viable solution to the
forwarding issue. I'm sorry to read that it doesn't work for you in a
similar way Paul.
ok, I tried it again on another email that had an Encap
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:31:53 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 19:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> There was a long (and interesing thread¹) not so much ago, where people
>> asked for such functions that seem to be -still- missed. Response?
>> "No".
>>
>> That was one
On Wed October 20 2010, AG wrote:
> However, bottom line: so far this is the most viable solution to the
> forwarding issue. I'm sorry to read that it doesn't work for you in a
> similar way Paul.
ok, I tried it again on another email that had an Encapsulated message. When I
hit "T" it attached
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 21:51:25 +0100, AG wrote:
> On 19/10/10 20:55, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:26:30 +0100, AG wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>
>>> Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that
>>> happens is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any
>>> attac
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:01:04 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Tue October 19 2010, Camaleón wrote:
>> Icedove, of course. It allows the same features that Thunderbird.
>>
>
> I use thunderbird on my laptop, for when I travel.. Lately ( the last 6
> weeks) I've been using nomachine on my laptop
On Wed October 20 2010, AG wrote:
> However, bottom line: so far this is the most viable solution to the
> forwarding issue. I'm sorry to read that it doesn't work for you in a
> similar way Paul.
maybe I didn't try it on a viable email correctly.. I'll take another look.
I tried it on an email t
On 19/10/10 23:29, Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue October 19 2010 11:26:30 AG wrote:
Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
but that the OP's details can be edited out?
I use KMail/Kontact
On Tue October 19 2010, Mike Bird wrote:
> I use KMail/Kontact in KDE 3.5 in Lenny.
>
> Does pressing "T" ("Edit Message") and changing the "To" address
> at the top come anywhere close to the functionality you need?
no, it puts everything down at the bottom as an attachment. message formatting
i
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 19:55 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:26:30 +0100, AG wrote:
>
> (...)
>
> > Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
> > is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
> > but that the OP's details can b
On Tue October 19 2010 11:26:30 AG wrote:
> Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
> is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
> but that the OP's details can be edited out?
I use KMail/Kontact in KDE 3.5 in Lenny.
Does pressing "T" ("
On Tue October 19 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> Icedove, of course. It allows the same features that Thunderbird.
>
> Greetings,
I use thunderbird on my laptop, for when I travel.. Lately ( the last 6 weeks)
I've been using nomachine on my laptop to get to my desktop & use kmail & not
have to mess wit
On Tue October 19 2010, AG wrote:
> I was actually thinking of giving Sylpheed Claws (is it still called
> that??) a revisit since last I used it many, many moons back.
I have stayed with kmail for years, through 3 different distros, because I
like it, especially with the KONTACT apps. I've tried
On 19/10/10 20:55, Camaleón wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:26:30 +0100, AG wrote:
(...)
Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
but that the OP's details can be edited out?
AFAICT,
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:01:56 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Tue October 19 2010, Camaleón wrote:
>> That was one of the things that made me switch to Thunderbird. I
>> sincerely hope this can change in a near future :-/
>
> do you mean icedove? or the real thunderbird from Mozilla..
Sorry, I
On Tue October 19 2010, Camaleón wrote:
> That was one of the things that made me switch to Thunderbird. I
> sincerely hope this can change in a near future :-/
do you mean icedove? or the real thunderbird from Mozilla..
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 19:26:30 +0100, AG wrote:
(...)
> Is there a trick to forwarding emails in KMail so that all that happens
> is that the OP's email content is preserved along with any attachments
> but that the OP's details can be edited out?
AFAICT, no.
HTML editor is very limited (to say s
Dear list
I am really beginning to get ticked off with KMail's forwarding
function. While there are three options for forwarding (i.e. as
attachment, in-line or redirect), I am finding it problematic to forward
emails in such a way that allows for the removal of the OP's details
while preser
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