Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Miles Bader
Daniel Graham Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only platform I've ever seen a real benefit from compiling > everything with arch specific GCC flags is the 32bit SPARCs. You've never done any floating-point-intensive programming, apparently... Gcc may not be as good as icc in extreme cases

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 01:22:03PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 5/4/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > > > >[heavy snippage dude] > >> > >

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 13:22 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 5/4/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > > > > [heavy snippage dude] > > > > > > >

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 5/4/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: [heavy snippage dude] > > > > You mentioned debian commitment to FSF and its social contract, as > > very g

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > I understand Greg's comments to be about Debian's commitment to > enforcing a packaging policy, i.e. a policy on where and how things > are installed. To me is quite a different thing than a social AOL > policy. In Debian, if the i

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Daniel Graham Palmer
On Friday 04 May 2007 05:36, Greg Folkert wrote: > like encoders and decoders. Along with the entire Going to be very machine specific... one of the biggest groans against GCC is that is supports so many target platforms but doesn't do any of them particularly well. Intel's compiler generates v

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 12:42:40PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: [heavy snippage dude] > > > > You mentioned debian commitment to FSF and its social contract, as > > very good reasons by themselves to run debian. I totally agree. >

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Paul E Condon
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 10:34:27AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:38 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > >> On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > ... > >> > > ... > >> > >> Nope, aptitude offers you the de

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:38 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > ... > > Nope, aptitude offers you the dependencies the distro developer > specifies (not just the application developer),

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 22:38 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > > Also It's not only compiler optimizations what you get from source > > > base distros, it's dependencies control. > > > > Dependency controls... like what apt or aptitude does

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 5/3/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Also It's not only compiler optimizations what you get from source > base distros, it's dependencies control. Dependency controls... like what apt or aptitude does? > There are things one might compile against, that others might think as

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 13:10 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > >> For every report of "Woot! Compiling from source kicks butt. Why > didn't > >> I do this earlier", I can find 1 that disagrees with you and 1 that > says > >> "maybe it is worth it for max performance, but WOW, 196 hours to > get a > >>

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Javier Vasquez
For every report of "Woot! Compiling from source kicks butt. Why didn't I do this earlier", I can find 1 that disagrees with you and 1 that says "maybe it is worth it for max performance, but WOW, 196 hours to get a workable complete system, I'm not so sure" ... The reason I say this, is even if

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Daniel Palmer
Biggest contenders for optimisation are the kernel and libc. Most applications are mainly a series of calls to these two so won't directly benefit from by being compiled with *magical* flags. Debian supply both optimised kernels and to a lesser degree optimised libc packages. Use of SIMD extensi

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Folkert wrote: > On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 13:59 +0100, yag wrote: >> Hi >> >> I would like to know whether installing from source rather than >> from the repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or >>

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Greg Folkert
On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 13:59 +0100, yag wrote: > Hi > > I would like to know whether installing from source rather than > from the repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or > something else. I didn't notice any difference when comparing > mplayer's

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 5/3/07, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joe writes: > Sure, you can compile things yourself, but then you have to do all the > dependency checking yourself Download the Debian source package. Run 'apt-get build-dep ' to install the build dependencies. Edit the source to taste. Edit

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread John Hasler
Joe writes: > Sure, you can compile things yourself, but then you have to do all the > dependency checking yourself Download the Debian source package. Run 'apt-get build-dep ' to install the build dependencies. Edit the source to taste. Edit debian/changelog and up the version number. Run 'dp

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:47:16PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: > yag wrote: > > Hi > > > > I would like to know whether installing from source rather than from the > > repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or something > > else. I didn't notice a

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 yag wrote: > Hi > > I would like to know whether installing from source rather than from the > repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or something > else. I didn't notice any difference when comparing mplayer&#x

Re: pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 01:59:32PM +0100, yag wrote: > Hi > > I would like to know whether installing from source rather than > from the repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or > something else. I didn't notice any difference when comparing > mplay

pros/cons of installing from source

2007-05-03 Thread yag
Hi I would like to know whether installing from source rather than from the repositories has any advantage in terms of performance or something else. I didn't notice any difference when comparing mplayer's behavior, although compiling it myself gave me the choice of fine tuning the

Re: Installing from source a la Gentoo / BSD

2006-09-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Rickardo, Am 2006-09-11 01:34:36, schrieb Rickardo Branco: > I'm a FreeBSD/NetBSD user wanting to run Linux using I run netBSD on some machines and... > the same sources that I'm using on these two systems. ...using some "BSD" software on my Linux machines too. IF your sources can be co

Re: Installing from source a la Gentoo / BSD

2006-09-11 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 10:23:44AM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > * Rickardo Branco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060911 08:34]: > > I'm a FreeBSD/NetBSD user wanting to run Linux using > > the same sources that I'm using on these two systems. > > I discarded Gentoo for being so unstable. > >

Re: Installing from source a la Gentoo / BSD

2006-09-11 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Rickardo Branco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060911 08:34]: > I'm a FreeBSD/NetBSD user wanting to run Linux using > the same sources that I'm using on these two systems. > I discarded Gentoo for being so unstable. > > Is it possible to use the tarballs I have for running > Debian ? > Thanks in ad

Installing from source a la Gentoo / BSD

2006-09-10 Thread Rickardo Branco
I'm a FreeBSD/NetBSD user wanting to run Linux using the same sources that I'm using on these two systems. I discarded Gentoo for being so unstable. Is it possible to use the tarballs I have for running Debian ? Thanks in advance anyone. __ Correo

Re: apt question (downgrading and installing from source)

2003-01-13 Thread Sven Bornemann
Chris Kenrick wrote: In order to get a few packages to the versions I wanted them at, I ended up using packages from unstable. Unfortunately, I ended up getting libc6 and a few other important ones. Now I'm seeing various errors sporadically that I suspect are related to this upgrade. First qu

apt question (downgrading and installing from source)

2003-01-13 Thread Chris Kenrick
In order to get a few packages to the versions I wanted them at, I ended up using packages from unstable. Unfortunately, I ended up getting libc6 and a few other important ones. Now I'm seeing various errors sporadically that I suspect are related to this upgrade. First question, what's the easi

Re: Installing from source

2002-03-10 Thread Jeff
William P Martin, 2002-Mar-10 02:01 -0800: > Hi all, > > I am currently building a server based on potato. The three servers I am > going to be running on the box with be bind,apache, and sendmail. I am doing > this for experience and as a project given to me by the admins at work so > that I can

Installing from source

2002-03-10 Thread William P Martin
Hi all, I am currently building a server based on potato. The three servers I am going to be running on the box with be bind,apache, and sendmail. I am doing this for experience and as a project given to me by the admins at work so that I can learn, screw up and ask them questions. Their recommend

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-25 Thread Brad
On Tue, 25 May 1999, Otgonbayar Uuye wrote: > Brad> Actually, that is exactly Debian policy: programs you install yourself > go > Brad> under /usr/local, the distro never touches it. > Brad> > Brad> If you make a deb from the sources, then you should of course make it > not > Brad> touch /usr/l

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-25 Thread Otgonbayar Uuye
On 火, 5 25 1999, Brad wrote: Brad> On Mon, 24 May 1999, Otgonbayar Uuye wrote: Brad> Brad> > 1. How am I supposed to install programs from tarball source code? I can untar and compile them, Brad> > but then the debian package system doesn't recognize it. Brad> > Brad> > For instance I have down

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-25 Thread Otgonbayar Uuye
Thanks a lot . Just one more question. What about cvs? Am I still supposed to make packages first? ---Otgonbayar On 火, 5 25 1999, Carl Mummert wrote: Carl> There is a package named 'alien' that can take care of some of this, depending Carl> on exactly what you are needing to install. Carl>

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Re: Installing from source

1999-05-25 Thread Ingo Hohmann
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 10:44:49AM -0500, Brad wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Otgonbayar Uuye wrote: > > > 1. How am I supposed to install programs from tarball source code? I can > > untar and compile them, > > but then the debian package system doesn't recognize it. > > > > For instance I have

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-24 Thread Carl Mummert
There is a package named 'alien' that can take care of some of this, depending on exactly what you are needing to install. What you do is to layout the files in some remote directory, like you would want them installed: /somewhere--etc/file1 | --usr/bin/\file2

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-24 Thread Brad
On Mon, 24 May 1999, Otgonbayar Uuye wrote: > 1. How am I supposed to install programs from tarball source code? I can > untar and compile them, > but then the debian package system doesn't recognize it. > > For instance I have downloaded qt-1.44.tar.gz, compiled and installed it. > Then qt in

Re: Installing from source

1999-05-24 Thread Mavroyanopoulos Nikos
On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 07:30:02PM +0900, Otgonbayar Uuye wrote: > Hello, > > I have a couple of questions. > > 1. How am I supposed to install programs from tarball source code? I can > untar and compile them, > but then the debian package system doesn't recognize it. There is an instmon packa

Installing from source

1999-05-24 Thread Otgonbayar Uuye
Hello, I have a couple of questions. 1. How am I supposed to install programs from tarball source code? I can untar and compile them, but then the debian package system doesn't recognize it. For instance I have downloaded qt-1.44.tar.gz, compiled and installed it. Then qt installs itself in /