Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-23 Thread Nicolas George
Reco (12020-12-21): > You're right. Xorg is a server, any window manager on top of it is > merely an X client (a special one, but an interchangeable client). > Wayland is not a server, it's a set of protocols. An implementation of > these protocols inherently provides a set of functions that are pr

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-22 Thread Javier Barroso
El mar., 22 dic. 2020 14:07, Greg Wooledge escribió: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:12:28PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems. How does fvwm > > work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm > > going the way of xWindows?

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:12:28PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems. How does fvwm > work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm > going the way of xWindows? I have no experience with screen readers, and very little know

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Jude DaShiell
bian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland > Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:33:57 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] wil

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] will be around; I guess a fair while > > > though. > > > > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long,

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] will be around; I guess a fair while > > though. > > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can > be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Nicolas George
Stefan Monnier (12020-12-21): > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can > be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the extent > that it supports hardware that Wayland doesn't. Quoting https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/ch05.html#sect-X11-

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Makes you wonder how long it will be around; I guess a fair while > though. > [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/30/x_server_lead_maintainer_declares/ I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the ex

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Tixy
Sorry, quoting got messed up on my last email, fixed version below (I hope)... On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 08:15 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 06:32:20PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: [...] > > As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little > > lost. > > In particul

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 08:15 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 06:32:20PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: [...] > As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little > lost. > In particular it is not clear to me if it will be possible to use > FVWM / > xfce on top (X)Waylan

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 06:32:20PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > It seems, that main graphical UI base will be Wayland instead of X > Window. > If I understand correctly Wayland has no separate window manager > process. I think this is incorrect. There's still a window manager. You just don't get

Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-20 Thread Kamil Jońca
It seems, that main graphical UI base will be Wayland instead of X Window. If I understand correctly Wayland has no separate window manager process. As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little lost. In particular it is not clear to me if it will be possible to use FVWM / xfce