Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
[Paul, please don't post in html] On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 06:42:38AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: >On 02/13/2014 05:37 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > I just did the "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" on the linux command line as > a oncer and noticed. You snipped what I noticed. > Now: > root@ta

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 06:42 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote: > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 190488 Dec 31 12:54 systemd-journald I at least would expect the f...ine journal. For Chris that much is missing that I suspect he runs some kind of transition-SysVinit-systemd-hybrid. This is something comparable

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 02/13/2014 05:37 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: I just did the "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" on the linux command line as a oncer and noticed. Now: root@tal:~# ls -al /lib/systemd/ total 260 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jan 20 23:12 . drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 12288

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 12 February 2014 12:13:23 Scott Ferguson wrote: > (emphasis and guessed spelling correction mine). Scott - the original strikes me as being correct, and oyur "correction" strikes me as being wrong. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subj

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 13/02/14 21:37, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:13:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Does anyone knows who sells round tuits? Yes. (disclaimer, I get a commission from them) - but my advice it to buy the square ones a

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:13:51PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console > > font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing > > quite a bit of discussion,

Re: [D-community-offtopic] FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian - Was: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-12 Thread latinfo
> > [latinfo, are you subscribed to this list? If so we could stop CC'ing > you] No, i am not subscribed, but it is not a problem if you CC me. Thanks > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:50:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 17:55 -0800, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: >> > Normally in

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote: > I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console > font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing > quite a bit of discussion, that there was another setup to learn! In > this case the learning would

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread yaro
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 04:50:49 PM Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Ralf Mardorf writes: > > If we like it or dislike it, sysvinit / init scripts are dead. > > Sounds like a Bad News(TM). Why bad news? SysV init's been dead through most of the rest of *nix-land (Even most certified Unixen do

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Ralf Mardorf writes: > If we like it or dislike it, sysvinit / init scripts are dead. Sounds like a Bad News(TM). -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslami

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:18 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > I think that Debian have a quite great percentage of tinkerers > which will be able to produce lot of documents to replace an init system > by another one. In fact, there already have some, which allowed me to > give a try

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread berenger . morel
Le 12.02.2014 12:48, James Allsopp a écrit : Hi Scott, Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian developers, as it should be. Those that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of get

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/02/14 22:48, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi Scott, > Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian > developers, as it should be. Those > that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, > feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of gett

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Bannister
[James, please don top post on this mailing list.] On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:48:37AM +, James Allsopp wrote: > Is there a document that summarises what developers thought the pros and > cons of each were? I've read LP's comments on systemd, but that hardly > falls into the balanced camp. A q

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread James Allsopp
Hi Scott, Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian developers, as it should be. Those that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of getting others to do it for them." Although I mention

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/02/14 20:27, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi, > After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a > good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use > OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too > many Unix principles and Up

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 12/02/14 20:27, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi, > After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a > good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use > OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too > many Unix principles and Up

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread James Allsopp
Hi, After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too many Unix principles and Upstart has problems with the canonical copyright li

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-12 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console > font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing > quite a bit of discussion, that there was another setup to learn! In > this case the learn

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-11 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Let the flames begin... Please no! The -devel@ and -ctte@ lists already have some, most likely non-Debian-using crazies, posting there so the d-u members who want to "discuss" this should feel free to join the delirium there and preserve

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:55:17PM +, Brian wrote: > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 23:45:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 00:24 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Let the flames begin... > > > > I'm aware that it isn't off-topic, anyway, I strongly recommend to > > discuss sy

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 23:45:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 00:24 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Let the flames begin... > > I'm aware that it isn't off-topic, anyway, I strongly recommend to > discuss systemd at > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-communit

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 00:24 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Let the flames begin... I'm aware that it isn't off-topic, anyway, I strongly recommend to discuss systemd at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic . Once a pros and cons systemd discussion develops its own

FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

2014-02-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
Let the flames begin... - Forwarded message from Don Armstrong - Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:39:04 -0800 From: Don Armstrong To: debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org Subject: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian Mail-Followup-To: debian-c...@lists.debian.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.