On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 07:40:25PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 06 Aug 2019 at 09:32:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
[...]
> > And now let me get down from my soapbox and hand it over to someone
> > else :-)
>
> We'd rather you stayed there to keep us up to the mark. Anyway, we
> like the snaz
On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 22:50:17 +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> And auctex recommends a list of PDF viewers (or okular which can show
> DVI files) while I know still many users who work with xdvi only. So
> using auctex to write TeX files should not imply the user also wants
> PDF or okular.
Those
On Tue 06 Aug 2019 at 09:32:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 10:50:17PM +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> > Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> >
> > > Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
>
> [...]
>
> > I have done this for years now, i.e. I have
> >
> > APT::Instal
On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 22:50:17 +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> Why does nut-client recommend bash-completion? It's not that unusual
> that admins work with ksh or zsh or some other shell only and
> therefore don't need bash support.
bash-completion has been recommended since 2009. Not a single bug
On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 22:50:17 +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> Sometimes a package foo recommends foo-doc while others only suggest
> foo-doc.
>From https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html:
If package is a build tool, development tool, command-line tool,
or library development pa
On Mon 05 Aug 2019 at 22:50:17 +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> For some reason I don't know, nfs-common recommends python. I have
Digging in the changelog gives you that.
Add Recommends python for mountstats and nfsiostat
--
Brian.
On Tue 06 Aug 2019 at 08:41:53 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 05 aug 19, 22:50:17, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> > Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> > >
> > > What is wrong is to suppress all recommendations by default.
> >
> > I have done this for years now, i.e. I have
> >
> > APT::Install-Reco
On 2019-07-12 22:17, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 12 iul 19, 20:21:08, Reco wrote:
I say - if the user wants to "break" a system by not installing the
Recommends - let them. Whenever it's curiosity, a way of learning
something new or just a wish to do an OS liposuction.
Sure.
Still, I would
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 10:50:17PM +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>
> > Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
[...]
> I have done this for years now, i.e. I have
>
> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
>
> in /etc/apt/apt.conf and I haven't had any problems, une
On Lu, 05 aug 19, 22:50:17, Urs Thuermann wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> >
> > What is wrong is to suppress all recommendations by default.
>
> I have done this for years now, i.e. I have
>
> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
>
> in /etc/apt/apt.conf and I haven't had any problems, une
Quoting Urs Thuermann (2019-08-05 17:50:17)
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>
> > Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> > > On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > >Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes",
> > > >recommends are for pacakges neede
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 11:03:53PM +0200, Urs Thuermann wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
Quoting John Crawley (2019-07-12 22:52:55)
> Anyway, even if your system default is to install Recommends, apt-get
> (and apt too?) always gets user approval before installing anything
> beyond the package
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> Quoting John Crawley (2019-07-12 22:52:55)
>
> > Anyway, even if your system default is to install Recommends, apt-get
> > (and apt too?) always gets user approval before installing anything
> > beyond the package asked for. If the list looks too long (s)he can
> >
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> > On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > >Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", recommends
> > >are for pacakges needed in "all but unusual installations."
> >
> > From my ex
Quoting Curt (2019-07-13 05:36:05)
> On 2019-07-12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >> Either way it won't break (a hint - Recommends weren't always the
> >> default), or the user will learn something new in a process.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure Jonas was around when that happened ;)
> >
>
> I've alway
On 2019-07-12, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
>> Either way it won't break (a hint - Recommends weren't always the
>> default), or the user will learn something new in a process.
>
> I'm pretty sure Jonas was around when that happened ;)
>
I've always used apt-get until apt rolled around recently and ne
On Vi, 12 iul 19, 22:40:17, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 13 Jul 2019 at 00:17:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > This is not about "breaking" Debian, but confusing the user (why does mc
> > open gziped files, but not zip?)
>
> gzip is already on the system (Priority: required), unzip isn't. But a
Quoting John Crawley (2019-07-12 22:52:55)
> On 2019-07-13 06:39, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > ...some developers wrongly thought that recommends was same as
> > suggests and therefore used depends far more than really needed.
>
> This. Installing with Recommends used to pull in a whole slew of
>
On 2019-07-13 06:39, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
...some developers wrongly thought that recommends was same as
suggests and therefore used depends far more than really needed.
This. Installing with Recommends used to pull in a whole slew of things
that should have been Suggests, so users got into
On Sat 13 Jul 2019 at 00:17:49 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 12 iul 19, 20:21:08, Reco wrote:
> >
> > I say - if the user wants to "break" a system by not installing the
> > Recommends - let them. Whenever it's curiosity, a way of learning
> > something new or just a wish to do an OS lipo
Quoting Andrei POPESCU (2019-07-12 18:17:49)
> On Vi, 12 iul 19, 20:21:08, Reco wrote:
> > I say - if the user wants to "break" a system by not installing the
> > Recommends - let them. Whenever it's curiosity, a way of learning
> > something new or just a wish to do an OS liposuction.
>
> Sure.
On Vi, 12 iul 19, 20:21:08, Reco wrote:
>
> I say - if the user wants to "break" a system by not installing the
> Recommends - let them. Whenever it's curiosity, a way of learning
> something new or just a wish to do an OS liposuction.
Sure.
Still, I would avoid recommending (ha!) turning off Re
On Fri 12 Jul 2019 at 20:21:08 +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:24:49PM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:34:17)
> > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > > Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > > > >
Hi.
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:24:49PM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:34:17)
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > > > > Disabling installing Recommends by default also helps a grea
On Fri 12 Jul 2019 at 12:24:49 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:34:17)
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > > > > Disabling installing Recommends by default also helps a great
> > > > > > d
On Fri 12 Jul 2019 at 11:23:56 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> > > On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > >Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", recommends
> > > >are for pacakg
Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:34:17)
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > > > Disabling installing Recommends by default also helps a great
> > > > > deal with all those dependencies you don't want.
> > > >
> > > > Above ma
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> > On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > >Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", recommends
> > >are for pacakges needed in "all but unusual installations."
> >
> > From my expe
Quoting Stephan Seitz (2019-07-12 09:30:38)
> On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", recommends
> >are for pacakges needed in "all but unusual installations."
>
> From my experience this is wrong.
>
> With recom
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29AM -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > > Disabling installing Recommends by default also helps a great deal
> > > > with all those dependencies you don't want.
> > >
> > > Above may break your system in confusing to debug ways,
On Fr, Jul 12, 2019 at 09:13:29 -0300, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Wrong. Suggests are for packages useful only "sometimes", recommends
are for pacakges needed in "all but unusual installations."
From my experience this is wrong.
With recommends my d10 update would have systemd as init instead of
Quoting Reco (2019-07-12 09:01:33)
> > > Disabling installing Recommends by default also helps a great deal
> > > with all those dependencies you don't want.
> >
> > Above may break your system in confusing to debug ways,
>
> Rly? Recommends are called that for a reason.
Yes, and the reason is
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