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On 28 November 2012 09:39, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 November 2012 22:31:52 Beco wrote:
> > I would like a mentor during my next vacation, to help me with .deb files.
>
> Here is a web-page that explains the scheme. Don't be put off by the mention
> of women. They mentor irrespec
Le 28.11.2012 20:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit :
"Morel Bérenger" wrote:
(Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are
distribution-specific.)
Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro
specific
patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream.
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:00:07AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Jon Dowland wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
> >>Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
> >>only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu & Debian developer -
> >>so
Hi,
Dňa Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0500 Miles Fidelman
napísal:
> What that 7% statistic really suggests is some combination of:
>
> a. Some of those packages are developed by folks who use Ubuntu, and
> don't get around to releasing a separate package for Debian (or
> nobody has stepped up to
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:37:09PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foobar if I am not using
A shortcut for this is http://packages.debian.org/
Cheers,
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"Morel Bérenger" wrote:
(Personally, I'm suspicious of software and changes that are
distribution-specific.)
Are you suspicious about the Debian Linux kernel? It have distro specific
patches. (But I think and hope that they are reported upstream. Did not
checked.)
Well, that's why I included t
> That's an even more flawed argument. We're talking about packaging, not
> development.
Packaging will differ if the maintainer thinks that an optional dep is
better than another, or the option is useless etc...
So, I think packagers must have some knowledge about the software they
maintain.
But
Jon Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu & Debian developer -
sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do...
That's a fla
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 03:47:46PM +0100, Slavko wrote:
> Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
> only to 7 % from them (statistic by some Ubuntu & Debian developer -
> sorry i have no link). Then Ubuntu has significantly less to do...
That's a flawed argument. I
Hi,
Dňa Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:13:19 -0300 Beco napísal:
> Ubuntu has probably the same "complexity" for a developer, but as they
> are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors.
Ubuntu leaves 93 % of packages untouched and changes/additions are done
only to 7 % from them (statistic by
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 22:37 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> >
> > I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to
> > search.
>
> When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's
> informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
> h
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:43:00PM -0300, Beco wrote:
> I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to search.
Good point, sorry.
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I tried google, but without more keywords, "rc" was too little to
search.
When I search for a package's description, I first use debian's
informations. With apt-cache if I am running my debian, or with
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=foobar if I am not using it.
The 2nd is really
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote:
>> Never heard of it. What is "rc"?
>
> A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'.
> May I suggest you try "apt-cache show rc", or google?
>
Thanks!
I tried google, b
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Beco wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
>>> People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
>>> think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:24:07PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and no release till
> it's ready.
I don't think those two things are incompatible with each other.
> One of the many things that I dislike about Ubuntu, is its habit of releasin
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily
> carried on using "bash". :-/
Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive
shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:17:50PM -0300, Beco wrote:
> Never heard of it. What is "rc"?
A shell. It's packaged in Debian, oddly enough in package 'rc'.
May I suggest you try "apt-cache show rc", or google?
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On Tuesday 27 November 2012 15:13:19 Beco wrote:
> We would have more contributors if Debian wasn't so proud of being for
> advanced users.
But my experience is that it isn't. People are encouraged to help with
developing and all the other jobs that are needed. and can get a mentor to
help.
Ca
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:13 -0300, Beco wrote:
> Ubuntu has probably the same "complexity" for a developer, but as they
> are more friendly to novices, they have more contributors.
Ubuntu is tricky for newbies, it does fake to be similar to an iPad or
Windows. And there's bizarre cooperation, such
Lisi Reisz writes:
> On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote:
>> For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
>> to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
>> is smaller and faster to load than bash).
>
> Thanks for the infor
On Monday 26 November 2012 16:52:19 Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > IOW, is there a rush?
>
> Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
> schedule.
And I'd *really* like to continue having stable software, and
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
>> People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
>> think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D
>
> You should go really left-fiel
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
>> > Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't
>> > we?
>>
>> There needs to be a "critical mass"; but beyond that point, an
>> increase in numbers i
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote:
> For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
> to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
> is smaller and faster to load than bash).
Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realis
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Does it really carry weight?
With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like
systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a
shell lots of times.
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Le Mar 27 novembre 2012 14:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
> On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> Also very nice is the output of
>>>
>>>
>>> $ ls -l /bin/sh
>>>
>>>
>>> for Ubuntu it's not bash.
>>
>> For modern
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Also very nice is the output of
> >
> > $ ls -l /bin/sh
> >
> > for Ubuntu it's not bash.
>
> For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
> to das
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:53:30PM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> People can use other things than bash, I do not see the problem. And I
> think that someday I'll try zsh or csh. When I'll have the time :D
You should go really left-field and try rc! (but not for /bin/sh.)
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On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Also very nice is the output of
>
> $ ls -l /bin/sh
>
> for Ubuntu it's not bash.
For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh
to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash
is sm
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:39:54AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > Let's welcome more (I assume we do want more users on our base, don't
> > we?
>
> There needs to be a "critical mass"; but beyond that point, an
> increase in numbers is not necessarily beneficial.
Agreed for 'mere' users, but
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:19:01PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have
> it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
> you can have it now, but seldom can you have it "right now".
"I must have the very
>> There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros.
> Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot
> I've got Linux were e.g. /media is
>
> /media/directory
> /media/username/directory
> /run/media/username/directory
I can not really see the point of h
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 10:18 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote:
> There is Linux Standard Base which claim to be a standard for distros.
Which reminds me of the file system hierarchy issue, on my multi-boot
I've got Linux were e.g. /media is
/media/directory
/media/username/directory
/run/media/userna
> When I decided to move "TO" Debian, one of my concerns was to be on a
> distro that sets its way, not a distro that follows. Debian moto is "The
> Universal Operating System". And that is the appeal to me.
>
>
> I love standards. I would give my kingdom to have only ".deb" instead
> of 3 or 4 (RP
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris
wrote:
>
> Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to
> target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which
> I referred.
Fair enough.
>> It's not helpful how often we get that: "Move to another distro".
* Beco [121126 21:36]:
> In any case, I didn't mean:
> >> "I must have the very latest, and I must have it now"
Forgive me for painting with too broad a brush. I did not mean to
target you specifically, or even to include you in the group to which
I referred.
> It's not helpful how often we
On 11/27/12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> machine) to the FreeBSD installer. I don't know if I'll like it, it's
> even not a Linux distro, however, the shebang does cover the religion
> less dogmatic.
Whoah! Careful there ... are you telling me I _should_ be less dogmatic?!!@#:)
I'm sure there's also s
On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 23:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would
> prefer something like:
>
> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=shebang+t-shirt&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1152&bih=729&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og
I don't use any statement of faith, but If I ever should do, I would
prefer something like:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=shebang+t-shirt&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bpcl=38897761&biw=1152&bih=729&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=juuzUK-yHorRsga0k4DoBA
I'm using what ever dis
PS. The link from the (now old) email looks broke. But the item is
here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aluminium-Linux-Debian-Case-Badge-Sticker-/281029773571?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item416eae0903
Thanks a lot.
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, wrote:
>> And, most important than all:
>> I won't move to (K)ubuntu because I already bought Debian aluminium
>> adhesive stickers to put on my notebook. So thanks for the suggestion,
>> but I didn't liked it.
>> :)
>
>
> btw, I would like to know where you bough
Lets do right, not "right now". I'm in no way "demanding" a new
release sooner. If the answer to my question of "estimate" is May, so
be it. Its an estimate, isn't it? Would it hurt Debian if we postpone
Wheezy to April or May? I don't think so. But to September 2014, I
think we might have a probl
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, green wrote:
> Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600:
>> The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have
>> it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
>> you can have it now, but seldom can you have it
Russell L. Harris wrote at 2012-11-26 14:19 -0600:
> The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I must have
> it now" crowd is to switch over to Ubuntu. You can have it right, or
> you can have it now, but seldom can you have it "right now".
>
> After the novelty of Ubuntu wears
* Worrier Poet [121126 17:24]:
>
> To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenever
> they come out. I appreciate that the Debian release teams have continued
> to emphasize quality over release scheduling.
The best solution for the "I must have the very latest, and I mus
On Mon 26 Nov 2012 at 16:52:19 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > IOW, is there a rush?
>
> Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
> schedule.
This is probably not as definite as everyone would like
On 11/26/2012 11:52 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
>> IOW, is there a rush?
>
> Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
> schedule.
>
To each his own. I like the releases to work reasonably well -- whenev
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:40PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> IOW, is there a rush?
Perhaps not a "rush" but I'd *really* like to have a predictable release
schedule.
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On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 09:54:55PM -0300, Beco wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> Any prediction or estimate when will Wheezy be finally stable?
>
> I'm excited! Go Debian! :)
March next year? Conservative prediction. Could be sooner if families
come second over the xmas holidays. IOW, is there a rush?
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