Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 21:06 -0300, D G Teed wrote: > Win XP installer prompts "F6 to add hardware drivers" or some such. > It makes the opportunity known. It isn't impossible for the Debian > installer to do something to introduce the possibility as I mentioned > before. Debian has expert modes,

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-19 Thread D G Teed
On 3/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You gave him Sarge, right? Have him do a straight install of WindowsXP with no other CD. Watch him crash and burn as well. Or if he "excuses" the additional drivers disk(s) required to install WindowsXP then he is not at all "unbiased". Win

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:50:51AM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > > I spent all of last summer trying to educate the managers. I've given > up. They won't read or listen. They have heard that Linux users tend to > be emotional fans of their particular distro and can present any > information to back

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 07:50 -0300, D G Teed wrote: > On 3/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Of course, you could point out that about 60% of existing > popular > distributions are originally derived and modified from Debian. > > I spent

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-19 Thread D G Teed
On 3/19/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Of course, you could point out that about 60% of existing popular distributions are originally derived and modified from Debian. I spent all of last summer trying to educate the managers. I've given up. They won't read or listen. They h

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-18 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 23:46 -0300, D G Teed wrote: > On 3/18/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:51:07AM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > > > > I agree that the kernel within the installer is something > > needing to be updated more

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-18 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 11:46:08PM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > On 3/18/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:51:07AM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > >> > >> I agree that the kernel within the installer is something > >> needing to be updated more often. > > > >Ex

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-18 Thread D G Teed
On 3/18/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:51:07AM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > > I agree that the kernel within the installer is something > needing to be updated more often. Except that this means that the kernel in the installer needs to be installable a

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-18 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:51:07AM -0300, D G Teed wrote: > > I agree that the kernel within the installer is something > needing to be updated more often. Except that this means that the kernel in the installer needs to be installable as a default kernel, which means that it must also be support

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-18 Thread D G Teed
On 3/17/07, Andy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A lot of hardware resellers are currently saying "Debian doesn't work on this hardware" but when you investigate it turns out that they heard that the default Sarge install does not support the SATA controller, and they don't care to find out mo

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-17 Thread Andy Smith
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 05:45:21PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > Hosting companies disallowing Debian as an available > > distro > > I don't remember this happening either. I *do* recall a lot of users > switching to and installing sarge before i

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 17:45 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Greg Folkert wrote: > > Sarge was so late, that things happened, including: > > Ubuntu taking shape. > > This is kind of like claiming that Progeny came about because potato was > late, or Stormix because woody was late.

Re: Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-14 Thread Joey Hess
Greg Folkert wrote: > Sarge was so late, that things happened, including: > Ubuntu taking shape. This is kind of like claiming that Progeny came about because potato was late, or Stormix because woody was late. At best it glances off one possible reason for making a derived

Debian's progress inspite of events (was Re: Dunk-Tank and the DD strike)

2007-03-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 10:16 -0800, Bill wrote: > On Wed, 2007-14-03 at 12:35 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > > Etch being release on April 2, 2007 (tentative per last nights > > announcements) is EONs ahead of Sarge's and Woody's release cycles. > > It'll only be about 4-5 months late. Consider less t