On 2016-06-15, Curt wrote:
> On 2016-06-15, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
>>>
>>> L'arroseuse arrosée.
>>
>>
>> This is, or was, dead. And it was part of an email about the main part of
>> the
>> thread.
By the way, you don't get to say when a thre
On 2016-06-15, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
>>
>> L'arroseuse arrosée.
>
>
> This is, or was, dead. And it was part of an email about the main part of
> the
> thread.
You violated the CoC while accusing him of violating the CoC.
> Why contaminate
On Wednesday 15 June 2016 08:41:25 Curt wrote:
> On 2016-06-12, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > It would be a lot easier if you didn't keep sending me personal copies.
>
> If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when you
> did not ask for it, do it privately.
>
> https://www.debian.o
On 2016-06-12, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> It would be a lot easier if you didn't keep sending me personal copies.
>
If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when you
did not ask for it, do it privately.
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
L'arroseuse arrosée.
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 09:06:14PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
[...]
> Hey tomas! You are always welcome!
> There is no issue in here for your commests.
Just take this as my personal opinion. Others may disagree.
In any case thank you very
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 06:36:53PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le sextidi 26 prairial, an CCXXIV, Morten Bo Johansen a écrit :
> > Since you are using Mutt, all you need to do to be well behaved
> > (i.e. not send personal CCs) is to hit 'L' when you reply
>
> As I already explained twice, a so
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:17 AM Morten Bo Johansen wrote:
> On 2016-06-13 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > As I already explained twice, a solution that requires a
> > different action when it is a mailing-list and when it is not
> > is not an acceptable solution.
>
> Why not? Don't you know when you
On Monday 13 June 2016 12:39:31 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 13 June 2016 17:36:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> > Solution 2: A makes the moderate punctual effort to configure the
> > MUA to set the header correctly and directly reaps the benefits.
> >
> > Stated like that, it is pretty much a no-brai
On 2016-06-13 Nicolas George wrote:
> As I already explained twice, a solution that requires a
> different action when it is a mailing-list and when it is not
> is not an acceptable solution.
Why not? Don't you know when you are corresponding on a mailing
list or not? You only need to switch betw
On Monday 13 June 2016 17:36:53 Nicolas George wrote:
> Solution 2: A makes the moderate punctual effort to configure the MUA to
> set the header correctly and directly reaps the benefits.
>
> Stated like that, it is pretty much a no-brainer.
Except that you are continuing to refuse to explain sol
Le sextidi 26 prairial, an CCXXIV, Morten Bo Johansen a écrit :
> Since you are using Mutt, all you need to do to be well behaved
> (i.e. not send personal CCs) is to hit 'L' when you reply
As I already explained twice, a solution that requires a different action
when it is a mailing-list and when
On 2016-06-13 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
>> I expect you to conform to the CoC and not continue to reply to me
>> personally.
>
> Nobody can be expected to remember the personal preferences of each
> mailing-list member, nor the subscription s
On Monday 13 June 2016 15:17:19 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le sextidi 26 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > I appreciate that. Thank you. But it isn't just my personal
> > preferences, it is part of the CoC:
>
> And the mail headers state differently. Given contradictory directives, I
> e
Le sextidi 26 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> I appreciate that. Thank you. But it isn't just my personal preferences, it
> is part of the CoC:
And the mail headers state differently. Given contradictory directives, I
explained in my previous mail why the only sane solution is to ad
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:34:06PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote:
> On 2016년 6월 13일 오후 8시 52분 49초 GMT+09:00, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
> >On Monday 13 June 2016 10:57:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> >> [...]
> >"When replying to messages on the mailing lis
On Monday 13 June 2016 10:57:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> This time only, as a particular courtesy, I have edited manually the list
> of recipients to adhere to your personal preferences.
I appreciate that. Thank you. But it isn't just my personal preferences, it
is part of the CoC:
"When replyi
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> I expect you to conform to the CoC and not continue to reply to me personally.
Nobody can be expected to remember the personal preferences of each
mailing-list member, nor the subscription status of all contributors, and
more importantly n
On Monday 13 June 2016 01:31:10 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 18:09:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 12 June 2016 20:08:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > A single 'q', and all hell took off and bombed my system, leaving
> > > only that which was in memory & running. It did not accept an
On Sunday 12 June 2016 18:09:52 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 20:08:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > A single 'q', and all hell took off and bombed my system, leaving
> > only that which was in memory & running. It did not accept another
> > q, nor a ctl+c. Bad dog, no dinner.
>
> So you op
On Sunday 12 June 2016 23:19:27 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > Yes, OK. But it was the topic that I was answering to, not the
> > individual. I was trying to keep the thread rational -- possibly
> > unsuccessfully.
>
> You replied to my messag
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> Yes, OK. But it was the topic that I was answering to, not the individual.
> I
> was trying to keep the thread rational -- possibly unsuccessfully.
You replied to my message, quoted it and did not include any explanation,
what did yo
On Sunday 12 June 2016 23:10:13 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > The thread was about running xterm inside a DE by all sorts of
> > complicated methods instead of simply clicking a couple of buttons in
> > Konsole-Trinity!
>
> My message was about
On Sunday 12 June 2016 20:08:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
> A single 'q', and all hell took off and bombed my system, leaving only
> that which was in memory & running. It did not accept another q, nor a
> ctl+c. Bad dog, no dinner.
So you opened a terminal and typed:
$ q
and all hell let loose?? Come
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> The thread was about running xterm inside a DE by all sorts of complicated
> methods instead of simply clicking a couple of buttons in Konsole-Trinity!
My message was about the font selection in XTerm (and most Xt-based
applications), not
On Sunday 12 June 2016 20:15:08 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > > If you go for medium or large font sizes, then using -fa / faceName and
> > > an Xft name instead of -fn / font for an X11 fot is probably a good
> > > idea: it gives anti-aliasing
> xterm *does* have a configuration menu, it's just hidden behind a rather
> obscure (and painfully "vintage X11") UI gesture. (Control + right-drag).
Works like a charm except that the changes aren't persistent.
--
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest i
On Sunday 12 June 2016 15:43:53 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2016-06-12 14:19 (UTC-0400):
> > Felix Miata wrote:
> >> What's wrong with MC's editor running in Konsole?
> >
> > That, in case you haven't noticed, is in fact nano.
>
> How would I know what it is "in fact" on your sys
Gene Heskett composed on 2016-06-12 14:19 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
What's wrong with MC's editor running in Konsole?
That, in case you haven't noticed, is in fact nano.
How would I know what it is "in fact" on your system :-? It isn't Nano here:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/mc4817config.
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
> > If you go for medium or large font sizes, then using -fa / faceName and an
> > Xft name instead of -fn / font for an X11 fot is probably a good idea: it
> > gives anti-aliasing and the choice of fonts nowadays is slightly larger.
> >
> >
On Sunday 12 June 2016 15:45:51 Nicolas George wrote:
> Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Siard a écrit :
> > xterm*VT100.font: -efont-fixed-medium-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*
>
> If you go for medium or large font sizes, then using -fa / faceName and an
> Xft name instead of -fn / font for an
On Sunday 12 June 2016 12:55:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 17:42:51 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > not that I've found, but the sob is tearing down my system down even
> > as I gave it a q after looking at a list of packages it wants to
> > remove. If I cannot control it, it will NEVER be
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:19:49 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 12:54:36 Felix Miata wrote:
>
> > Gene Heskett composed on 2016-06-12 12:42 (UTC-0400):
> > > I am left with nano as the only editor I can find...
> > >
> > > So, it has emasculated my system, all the editors except
On Sunday 12 June 2016 12:54:36 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2016-06-12 12:42 (UTC-0400):
> > I am left with nano as the only editor I can find...
> >
> > So, it has emasculated my system, all the editors except nano are
> > gone,
>
> What's wrong with MC's editor running in Konso
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Curt a écrit :
> I believe ~/.Xdefaults is what they call deprecated and ~/.Xresources
> should be used.
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/x_resources
It is a bit more complicated than that.
~/.Xresources is loaded into the resources database of the X11
On 2016-06-12, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> You did 'xrdb ~/.Xresources' to reread the file after making the
>> changes?
>
> No, it assumed it was read when needed.
Funny.
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
Hypertext--or should I say the ideology of hypertext?--is ultrademocratic and
so entirely in harmo
On Sunday 12 June 2016 17:42:51 Gene Heskett wrote:
> not that I've found, but the sob is tearing down my system down even as I
> gave it a q after looking at a list of packages it wants to remove. If I
> cannot control it, it will NEVER be used here again. It will take days
> to re-install the st
Gene Heskett composed on 2016-06-12 12:42 (UTC-0400):
I am left with nano as the only editor I can find...
So, it has emasculated my system, all the editors except nano are gone,
What's wrong with MC's editor running in Konsole?
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
w
On Sunday 12 June 2016 12:23:48 Curt wrote:
> On 2016-06-12, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> XTerm.font: 9x15
> >>
> >> into your ~/.Xresources file.
> >
> > Did that, no change. What did make it usable was checking the use
> > trutype fonts box. That made the font about 4x bigger so I was able
> > to
On Sunday 12 June 2016 11:43:05 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 16:18:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > with aptitude, like mc, whatever terminal its running IN, MUST DO
> > ncurses emulations. And that is compulsory!
>
> Gene, that is rubbish. aptitude at the CLI is just that. At the CLI.
Curt:
> Siard:
> > Besides that, settings can be entered in ~/.Xdefaults. I have these
> > lines in it:
>
> I believe ~/.Xdefaults is what they call deprecated and ~/.Xresources
> should be used.
>
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/x_resources
~/.Xresources does not work here (Stretch); ~/.
On 2016-06-12, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> XTerm.font: 9x15
>>
>> into your ~/.Xresources file.
>
> Did that, no change. What did make it usable was checking the use trutype
> fonts box. That made the font about 4x bigger so I was able to set that
> back to middle sized.
>
You did 'xrdb ~/.Xreso
On Sunday 12 June 2016 10:27:54 Michael Lange wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 10:17:42 -0400
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > FWIW. there is a 3rd choice in the system menu, called UXTerm. Looks
> > identical to xterm, totally non-configurable like xterm. So thats
> > more wasted hd space to me.
On 2016-06-12, Siard wrote:
>
> Besides that, settings can be entered in ~/.Xdefaults. I have these
> lines in it:
>
I believe ~/.Xdefaults is what they call deprecated and ~/.Xresources
should be used.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/x_resources
--
Hypertext--or should I say the ideolog
On 2016-06-12, Michael Lange wrote:
>
> actually it is not that hard to configure xterm (or other "old-fashioned"
> terminal apps), for example to change xterm's font size simply put a line
> like
>
> XTerm.font: 9x15
>
> into your ~/.Xresources file.
>
> Best regards
>
> Michael
>
>
I have the f
On Sunday 12 June 2016 16:18:18 Gene Heskett wrote:
> with aptitude, like mc, whatever terminal its running IN, MUST DO ncurses
> emulations. And that is compulsory!
Gene, that is rubbish. aptitude at the CLI is just that. At the CLI. Like
any other CLI command. The n-curses interface is vol
On Sunday 12 June 2016 10:27:03 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 15:17:42 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Konsole can also be made usable I believe. The std "schema" needs a
> > few changes to its current defaults but it can be made quite usable,
> > so its a possible alternative.
> >
> > Regard
It may depend on the version of apt-get.
Version 1.2.13 has
apt-get purge avahi-daemon
Regards,
jvp.
On Sunday 12 June 2016 09:49:11 Martin Read wrote:
[...]
> xterm *does* have a configuration menu, it's just hidden behind a
> rather obscure (and painfully "vintage X11") UI gesture. (Control +
> right-drag).
Here, its ctrl(left, didn't try right) and what pops up doesn't need a
drag, but its 3
On Sunday 12 June 2016 15:37:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:08:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > 2
> > > firefox
> > > firefox-esr
> > > And esr is a version 45 something, figuratively speaking, a few
> > > months long in the toot
Le quintidi 25 prairial, an CCXXIV, Siard a écrit :
> xterm*VT100.font: -efont-fixed-medium-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*
If you go for medium or large font sizes, then using -fa / faceName and an
Xft name instead of -fn / font for an X11 fot is probably a good idea: it
gives anti-aliasing and th
On Sunday 12 June 2016 08:42:51 David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 12 Jun 2016 at 02:02:45 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2016 23:04:27 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:08:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 2
> > firefox
> > firefox-esr
> > And esr is a version 45 something, figuratively speaking, a few
> > months long in the tooth.
>
> They are different. Uninstall the one you don't want. es
Martin Read:
> Gene Heskett:
> > Found xterm but it opens a window about 2.75"x3.5", and uses a text
> > font so small it gets 80 columns out of that 3.5", so its almost
> > unreadable, and has no configuration menus at all over and above what
> > I can do to it thru the tde configuration facility,
On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:02:34 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 07:02:45 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Basically, when you back up
>
> What does "back up" mean in this context? (Remember that pond, Gene -
> or is this Gene-speak or my aphasia???)
The small one yes, the Titanic is on the bot
Hi,
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 10:17:42 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> FWIW. there is a 3rd choice in the system menu, called UXTerm. Looks
> identical to xterm, totally non-configurable like xterm. So thats more
> wasted hd space to me.
>
actually it is not that hard to configure xterm (or other
On Sunday 12 June 2016 15:17:42 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Konsole can also be made usable I believe. The std "schema" needs a few
> changes to its current defaults but it can be made quite usable, so its
> a possible alternative.
>
> Regards Lisi.
Konsole can very easily be made very usable. I use it
On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:00:10 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Maybe, but that ncurses face on aptitube is a total turn-off, and
> > will be until aptitude figures out how to make ncurses redraw the
> > whole screen instead of leave a kilobyte of text c
On 12/06/16 14:23, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:00:03 Martin Read wrote:
If ncurses programs that other people use without incident are
screwing up the contents of your terminals, my first port of call
would be checking that the value of the TERM environment variable
matches rea
On Sunday 12 June 2016 06:00:03 Martin Read wrote:
> On 12/06/16 07:12, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And I have never not seen it. On several different mother boards,
> > and probably 2x the video cards. If there is a difference, I've not
> > a clue.
>
> If ncurses programs that other people use witho
On Sun 12 Jun 2016 at 02:02:45 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2016 23:04:27 David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > No, Gene. All created because you didn't trust the p
On Sunday 12 June 2016 12:26:36 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:08:54AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > # aptitude purge firefox-esr
> > (since that seems to be the one you don't want). Or equivalent. I don't
> > kn
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:08:54AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
[...]
> # aptitude purge firefox-esr
> (since that seems to be the one you don't want). Or equivalent. I don't
> know
> the correct apt-get incantation for purge [...]
Just use 'remove
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:08:54 +0100
Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > 2
> > firefox
> > firefox-esr
> > And esr is a version 45 something, figuratively speaking, a few
> > months long in the tooth.
>
> They are different. Uninstall the one you don't wa
On 12/06/16 07:12, Gene Heskett wrote:
And I have never not seen it. On several different mother boards, and
probably 2x the video cards. If there is a difference, I've not a clue.
If ncurses programs that other people use without incident are screwing
up the contents of your terminals, my fi
On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> 2
> firefox
> firefox-esr
> And esr is a version 45 something, figuratively speaking, a few months
> long in the tooth.
They are different. Uninstall the one you don't want. esr is long term
support.
# aptitude purge firefox-esr
(since tha
On Sunday 12 June 2016 07:02:45 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Basically, when you back up
What does "back up" mean in this context? (Remember that pond, Gene - or is
this Gene-speak or my aphasia???)
On Sunday 12 June 2016 01:49:27 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Maybe, but that ncurses face on aptitube is a total turn-off, and will be
> until aptitude figures out how to make ncurses redraw the whole screen
> instead of leave a kilobyte of text covering 20% of the screen real
> estate. And it been that
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 02:05:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I do use apt-get, when I can easily copy/paste what I want it to do, but
> it hates my spelling otherwise. Thats my fault of course, but there it
> is.
That's where tab completion comes in very handy. :)
--
The media's the most p
On Sunday 12 June 2016 00:09:54 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:04:27PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> >> On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> >> > > No, Gene.
On Saturday 11 June 2016 23:57:33 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:04:27PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > No, Gene. All created because you d
On Saturday 11 June 2016 23:04:27 David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > No, Gene. All created because you didn't trust the package
> > > manager. Not that IMHO Synaptic is that trustworthy. ;
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:04:27PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
>> On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>
>> > > No, Gene. All created because you didn't trust the package manager.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:04:27PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> > > No, Gene. All created because you didn't trust the package manager.
> > > Not that IMHO Synaptic is that tru
On Sat 11 Jun 2016 at 20:49:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > No, Gene. All created because you didn't trust the package manager.
> > Not that IMHO Synaptic is that trustworthy. ;-) I have just looked in
> > my /usr/bin. I have firefox-es
On Saturday 11 June 2016 17:35:11 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 11 June 2016 22:24:40 Doug wrote:
> > On 06/11/2016 03:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings gui panel experts;
> > >
> > > After the first round of replacing iceweasel with firefox, since
> > > it pointed at the firefox-esr bi
On Saturday 11 June 2016 22:24:40 Doug wrote:
> On 06/11/2016 03:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings gui panel experts;
> >
> > After the first round of replacing iceweasel with firefox, since it
> > pointed at the firefox-esr binary after that, I killed the iceweasel
> > icon on the panel, on
On 06/11/2016 03:01 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
Greetings gui panel experts;
After the first round of replacing iceweasel with firefox, since it
pointed at the firefox-esr binary after that, I killed the iceweasel
icon on the panel, only to discover that the firefox icon pointed at the
even older v
Greetings gui panel experts;
After the first round of replacing iceweasel with firefox, since it
pointed at the firefox-esr binary after that, I killed the iceweasel
icon on the panel, only to discover that the firefox icon pointed at the
even older version, so I have edited it several times an
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