Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Marty
Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: Hi there, We have 100s of almost identical machines that need to be kept up-to-date with apt-get dist-upgrade . Having to run apt-get dist-upgrade manually on all of them is just not working (taking too much man-power) due to having to answer the same Y/N debconf(?

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 10:31:21AM +0200, "Peter Valdemar M?rch (vol)" wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty-at-porchlight.ca |volatile-lists| wrote: > >I use aptitude (this is not a troll, please), and I use it interactivly. > >I have only those pacakges that I specifically _want_ installed marked >

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Apr 21, 2007 at 10:31:21AM +0200, "Peter Valdemar Mørch (vol)" wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty-at-porchlight.ca |volatile-lists| wrote: > >I use aptitude (this is not a troll, please), and I use it interactivly. > >I have only those pacakges that I specifically _want_ installed marked >

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:31:21 +0200 "Peter Valdemar Mørch (vol)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty-at-porchlight.ca |volatile-lists| wrote: > > I use aptitude (this is not a troll, please), and I use it > > interactivly. I have only those pacakges that I specifically _want_ >

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Daniel Palmer
Here goes this term "package breakage" again. Do you know what it is and how it arises? Most of the time, dist-upgrade just decides to install a couple of extra packages. But some other times... I just never figured out what makes the difference and what the possible problems and solutions

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-21 Thread Peter Valdemar Mørch (vol)
Douglas Allan Tutty dtutty-at-porchlight.ca |volatile-lists| wrote: I use aptitude (this is not a troll, please), and I use it interactivly. I have only those pacakges that I specifically _want_ installed marked as manual with everything else being automatic. Aa! What is *THIS*? "manual" co

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-20 Thread Daniel Graham Palmer
> """ > export aptopt= > $ROOTCMD apt-get $aptopt -f -y dist-upgrade """ Sorry for the late reply.. been busy. You know, you could always use apt-get -simulate dist-upgrade on your machines. Check the output and leave a token somewhere that then allows the machines to do the upgrade for real.

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 03:55:06PM +0200, Peter Valdemar M?rch wrote: > Ok, but what is the alternative? I find that without dist-upgrade, I end > up with a constantly growing number of packages in the > "The following packages have been kept back" > category. > My 2 C worth. Preface: I've ne

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-20 Thread Mirko Parthey
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:37:54AM -, Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: > We have 100s of almost identical machines that need to be kept > up-to-date with apt-get dist-upgrade . > > Having to run apt-get dist-upgrade manually on all of them is just not > working (taking too much man-power) due to ha

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-20 Thread Georgi Alexandrov
Alex Samad wrote: > If you have 100's of machines all in production or atleast all having to be > kept to the same package setup. > > why not setup yor own repo (and extend it to your down release) could > correspond to your SOE, when it comes time to update, go through the testing > phase, once y

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Alex Samad
If you have 100's of machines all in production or atleast all having to be kept to the same package setup. why not setup yor own repo (and extend it to your down release) could correspond to your SOE, when it comes time to update, go through the testing phase, once your happy with all the new pac

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Daniel Palmer
Georgi Alexandrov wrote: Too much is going on in testing, unstable and experimental but not in the stable branch. Mmm I'd say that having less package changes would be more reason to monitor the process instead of just throwing it out there. :P From the look of it there applications that wi

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Georgi Alexandrov
Daniel Palmer wrote: > Peter Valdemar Mørch wrote: >> Ok, but what is the alternative? I find that without dist-upgrade, I >> end up with a constantly growing number of packages in the >> "The following packages have been kept back" >> category. > Jamming dist-upgrade into a cron job will cause pro

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Peter Valdemar Mørch
Daniel Palmer daniel-at-cardboardbox.org.uk |volatile-lists| wrote: Jamming dist-upgrade into a cron job will cause problems when a package doesn't upgrade cleanly.. for example mysql is getting upgraded, the server will stop and not come back up. Even worse if a kernel upgrade doesn't create t

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread ccostin
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Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Daniel Palmer
Peter Valdemar Mørch wrote: Ok, but what is the alternative? I find that without dist-upgrade, I end up with a constantly growing number of packages in the "The following packages have been kept back" category. Jamming dist-upgrade into a cron job will cause problems when a package doesn't upgr

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Peter Valdemar Mørch
Daniel Palmer daniel-at-cardboardbox.org.uk |volatile-lists| wrote: Georgi Alexandrov wrote: Or you can: for i in `seq 10-150`; do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade &>/var/log/apt-upgrade.log; done The automatic dist-upgrade is a bad idea in my opinion. Asking

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Georgi Alexandrov
Daniel Palmer wrote: > Georgi Alexandrov wrote: >> Or you can: >> for i in `seq 10-150`; do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get update && apt-get >> -y dist-upgrade &>/var/log/apt-upgrade.log; done >> >> > > The automatic dist-upgrade is a bad idea in my opinion. Asking for > package breakage. Depen

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Daniel Palmer
Georgi Alexandrov wrote: Or you can: for i in `seq 10-150`; do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade &>/var/log/apt-upgrade.log; done The automatic dist-upgrade is a bad idea in my opinion. Asking for package breakage. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Georgi Alexandrov
cedric briner wrote: > Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> We have 100s of almost identical machines that need to be kept >> up-to-date with apt-get dist-upgrade . > Okay, I'm not an expert but I'll go like this. >> >> Having to run apt-get dist-upgrade manually on all of them is just no

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread cedric briner
Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: Hi there, We have 100s of almost identical machines that need to be kept up-to-date with apt-get dist-upgrade . Okay, I'm not an expert but I'll go like this. Having to run apt-get dist-upgrade manually on all of them is just not working (taking too much man-powe

Re: Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Steve Kemp
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 10:37:54AM -, Peter Valdemar Morch wrote: > Is there a smarter way? How does one manage many, many debian installations > without having to give each one special manual treatment? Ideally I'd like > this to be a fully automated operation and only be > notified of any

Administration (+apt-get dist-upgrade) of 100s of machines

2007-04-19 Thread Peter Valdemar Morch
Hi there, We have 100s of almost identical machines that need to be kept up-to-date with apt-get dist-upgrade . Having to run apt-get dist-upgrade manually on all of them is just not working (taking too much man-power) due to having to answer the same Y/N debconf(?) questions over and over aga