RE: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread LOwens
-Original Message- From: ken [mailto:geb...@mousecar.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 4:20 AM To: Doug Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ) On 10/31/2013 03:51 PM Doug wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: >> On 10/31/2013 02:0

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread John Hasler
Carl Fink writes: > DMCA (the Digital Millennium Copyright Act) supercedes that law and > makes it illegal again. *Only* if the manufacturer has installed "anti-circumvention technology". If they have made no attempt to prevent reading out the firmware the DMCA does not apply. I also don't thin

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 07:20:23AM -0400, ken wrote: > Many years ago-- well, between ten and twenty, I believe-- there was > legislation which allowed people to install any kind of phones they > wanted in their home or business. Prior to this AT&T would permit > only its own phones and phone sys

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread John Hasler
ken writes: > ...you bought it, it's yours, so you can do what you want with it, > including jailbreaking it. This is true, but if the manufacturer has used "anti-circumvention technology" to protect the firmware you might be violating the DMCA anti-circumvention provisions. You would not be pros

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:20:23 -0400 ken napísal: > what you want with it, including jailbreaking it. But doing so would > more than likely invalidate any warrantee and support agreement that > came with the phone. I am not lawyer too, but my latest knowledge is, that this s not more true i

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread ken
On 10/31/2013 05:26 PM Slavko wrote: Hi, Dňa Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:51:31 -0400 Doug napísal: I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) Perhap

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 31 October 2013 21:26:05 Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-31, Doug wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently > > that it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would > > be.) > > They'd

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread ken
On 10/31/2013 03:51 PM Doug wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, When you buy a phone with android on it, you don't have root access to the system. You

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread ken
On 10/31/2013 03:36 PM Neal Murphy wrote: On Thursday, October 31, 2013 02:56:21 PM ken wrote: On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of interpre

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-11-01 Thread Stephen Allen
To the OP - Yes Android isn't open (most of it is) the drivers for radio modem and video display for example aren't neither are the Google Apps Gmail, Playstore etc. There is a team working on a pure "Open" version called Replicant. Wired magazine recently had a writeup that one interested migh

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:51:31 -0400 Doug napísal: > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that > it is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) Perhaps, because this will break the back

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-31, Doug wrote: > > I may be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing somewhere recently that it > is illegal in the United States to jailbreak a phone. > (I don't know how they'd catch you, or what the penalty would be.) They'd stop listening to you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread Doug
On 10/31/2013 02:56 PM, ken wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: >> On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken > > wrote: >> >> >> Alex, >> >> As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of >> interpretations of what "free" means and its value

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread Neal Murphy
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 02:56:21 PM ken wrote: > On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: > > On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken > > > > wrote: > > Alex, > > > > As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of > > interpretations of wha

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread ken
On 10/31/2013 02:02 PM Beco wrote: On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken mailto:geb...@mousecar.com>> wrote: Alex, As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of interpretations of what "free" means and its value to the end user. Getting back to your original conc

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread Beco
On 31 October 2013 13:12, ken wrote: > > Alex, > > As you can see (from this long conversation), there are a variety of > interpretations of what "free" means and its value to the end user. Getting > back to your original concerns, here are some observations I've made about > android which indica

Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)

2013-10-31 Thread ken
On 10/29/2013 10:56 AM alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: Hello to all, I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? Does it exist a SMARTPHONE with a system DEBIAN GNU LINUX Thank you f