Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Tue, Jan 11 2022 at 01:37:22 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: >> On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: >> > But if I let it start itself automatically on demand, then it works >> > straight out of the gate wit

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 02:52:10 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > What version of Debian? > > > > According to /etc/debian_version 9.3... > > > > I hope that's 9.13 - so updated as at 2020-07-18. You're correct. I have a pair of glasses here that are "for the computer" and in general I a

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > I don't do anything much under debian that needs to have sound working, so I > hadn't

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > But if I let it start itself automatically on demand, then it works > > straight out of the gate with no issues. So far, anyway! > > How does that "on demand" th

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 12:27:39 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and > > > > the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and > > > the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what > > > gets started up that I don't see any nee

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:24:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's > > started by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start > > manually at s

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I've run nothing but linux since 1999, starting with Slackware 4.0, and > > upgrading to newer versions from time to time. Early on I had no sound > > card in the machine that I was using, and did not implement a GUI to start

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > What I'm not clear on at this point is why the instance of it that's started > by the system doesn't seem to work, while the one that I start manually at > some point later on does. Pulse Audio is still quite mysterious to m

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 11:03:55AM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Tuesday 11 January 2022 08:18:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > What I'm not clear on at this po

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 08:18:27 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > > > me in system monitor includes

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > > me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess that to > > be the problem, but why

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 ian 22, 14:02:05, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > Running pulseaudio --start fixed that problem, but now I show two instances > of it runninng. > > In the one that was running to start with, the command line shown to > me in system monitor includes "daemonize=no". I would guess tha

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-03 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 02 January 2022 09:56:14 pm David Wright wrote: > On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > Yeah, except that I don't run KDE. I do have it installed, to be able to > > access certain programs

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2022-01-02 Thread David Wright
On Sat 18 Dec 2021 at 11:24:34 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an opt

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-24 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Wednesday 22 December 2021 11:21:47 am Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a c

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > Suggestions as to where I might look for the problem? > > > > > > In general, that message means that even if there is a copy of > > > the pulseaudio daemon running, it is not running with the

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-22 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Monday 20 December 2021 10:09:56 am Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > Well, sound on the Debian side of things works, as in playing youtube > > > videos and such. It doesn't work in the Slackware virtualbox, which is > > > apparently trying to connect to Pulseaudio. Going through the Xfce

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-20 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 19 December 2021 05:48:12 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That wo

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 19 December 2021 03:18:46 am Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > > account for the guest OS not b

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 dec 21, 11:24:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > There remains the sound issue in the virtualbox. Could it be that > Debian isn't running PulseAudio but something else? That would > account for the guest OS not being able to talk to it... As far as I'm aware there is no default sou

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Friday 17 December 2021 11:53:20 am David Wright wrote: > > > > Some of the things I'm dealing with are: > > > > > > > > 1. An annoying blue dot showed up in my taskbar. > > > > Right-clicking on this gave me an option to "quit", which I would do, > > > > and then within a few seconds it w

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread Dan Ritter
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Chiming in from the peanut gallery: My preference is to obtain a new (to me) > system, install the version of the OS I want on it, get it working, get > comfortable with it, then migrate my data to the new machine. ... > I have very little tolerance for not having

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-18 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, December 17, 2021 11:53:20 AM David Wright wrote: > On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:56:22 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > But I can't help thinking of someone laying a carpet before they've > painted the ceiling, or vacuuming the floor before dusting the furniture. > Better to create jus

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-17 Thread David Wright
On Thu 16 Dec 2021 at 16:56:22 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > > > encourag

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:49:36 -0500 "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." wrote: > > You don't do regular backups? > > > > I recommend them. > > Configuring Amanda is on my list, here. Good. Perhaps more to think about than you want. ... https://charlescurley.com/blog/posts/2019/Nov/02/backups-on-linux/ -

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 December 2021 06:00:19 pm Dan Ritter wrote: > Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > > > I would seriously suggest upgrading from 9 to at least 10. You might sort > > > out some of the issues but, more > > > import

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > I would seriously suggest upgrading from 9 to at least 10. You might sort > > out some of the issues but, more > > importantly, will be moving up to a better supported system > > I'll get th

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 December 2021 02:49:17 pm Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > > encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, > > my thin

Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 02:35:43PM -0500, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were > encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, > my thinking has been to see how things are working, what's changed, > what bro

8 -> 9 update changing things

2021-12-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
I'd posted about my update a while back, and while some folks were encouraging me to go all the way to 11 since it's the current version, my thinking has been to see how things are working, what's changed, what broke, etc. and deal with all of that before I continue on in the update process