Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-11 Thread Joe
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:19:05 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > Hmm. In my lexicon, crimes are defined by statute. How does your > > definition differ? > > Crimes are acts that intentionally harm people (with a few exceptions > and special cases). Maybe we need a different wo

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-10 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > Hmm. In my lexicon, crimes are defined by statute. How does your > definition differ? Crimes are acts that intentionally harm people (with a few exceptions and special cases). Statute violations are acts or states (e.g, possession of certain substances or objects) that a go

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-12-10 at 08:07, John Hasler wrote: > Andrei writes: > >> "Criminals" are what the law defines them to be. Laws can be >> created and / or changed as needed. > > In my lexicon criminals are people who commit crimes, not people who > violate statutes. Hmm. In my lexicon, crimes are defin

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-10 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > "Criminals" are what the law defines them to be. Laws can be created > and / or changed as needed. In my lexicon criminals are people who commit crimes, not people who violate statutes. Not restricting my emailing to sending encrypted messages to people in my web of trust and doi

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:29 PM John Hasler wrote: > Nicholas Geovanis writes: > > You are safe (now) so others' freedoms need not be respected. Your > > first jump down the slippery slope :-) Jefferson the slave-master > > would have said that you have taken one hand off the wolf's ears. > > Goo

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Nicolas George
Charles Curley (12019-12-09): > Archaeological record. Are not history. Can we close this useless subthread now?

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 09 dec 19, 14:28:39, John Hasler wrote: > Nicholas Geovanis writes: > > You are safe (now) so others' freedoms need not be respected. Your > > first jump down the slippery slope :-) Jefferson the slave-master > > would have said that you have taken one hand off the wolf's ears. > > Good luc

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:01:04 +0100 Nicolas George wrote: > Maybe you have studied a lot of it, but apparently not in depth enough > to know that we have less than 5500 years of it. Archaeological record. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread John Hasler
Charles Curley writes: > How do you know that? Mr. Snowden, among others, has made it > abundantly clear that the US government is perfectly willing to do > mass surveillance and other intrusions without the slightest notice to > the Congress, never mind the public. Read what I actually wrote. I

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread John Hasler
Nicholas Geovanis writes: > You are safe (now) so others' freedoms need not be respected. Your > first jump down the slippery slope :-) Jefferson the slave-master > would have said that you have taken one hand off the wolf's ears. > Good luck :-) don't let go the other ear or you become the slave

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 09 dec 19, 11:16:32, John Hasler wrote: > Charlie writes: > > Over many years, although, I may not ever be in possession of anything > > of interest to anyone? > > There are two distinct "security" condsiderations here that are often > munged together: > > 1) Our ethical/moral/political ob

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Brian
On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 19:50:21 +, Brian wrote: > On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 11:58:57 -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 11:17 AM John Hasler wrote: > > > > > The data trawling activities of my > > > government[2] angers me but when I think about it objectively I realiz

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Brian
On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 11:58:57 -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 11:17 AM John Hasler wrote: > > > The data trawling activities of my > > government[2] angers me but when I think about it objectively I realize > > that it does me no actual harm: I'm simply not someone the

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Nicolas George
Charles Curley (12019-12-09): > Having studied more than ten thousand years of history Maybe you have studied a lot of it, but apparently not in depth enough to know that we have less than 5500 years of it. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 09 Dec 2019 11:16:32 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > The data trawling activities of my > government[2] angers me but when I think about it objectively I > realize that it does me no actual harm: How do you know that? Mr. Snowden, among others, has made it abundantly clear that the US govern

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 11:17 AM John Hasler wrote: > The data trawling activities of my > government[2] angers me but when I think about it objectively I realize > that it does me no actual harm: I'm simply not someone they care about. > You are safe (now) so others' freedoms need not be respec

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-09 Thread John Hasler
Charlie writes: > Over many years, although, I may not ever be in possession of anything > of interest to anyone? There are two distinct "security" condsiderations here that are often munged together: 1) Our ethical/moral/political objections to being tracked and snooped on. 2) Our actual ris

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-08 Thread Charlie
Received from Curt on Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:54:15 - (UTC) Re: [OT] Google security > I am waiting to be convinced, though I do infer from a certain number > of factors, including my personal experience and the experience of > those around me, that the claim

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-08 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-08, John Hasler wrote: > Curt writes: >> Yet the confirmation bias of certain ideologues will get them to >> believing... > > Confirmation bias of *all* ideologues and ideologies. Including yours. How devastatingly clever. But you inverse the roles. I made no unsubstantiated claim, no

Re: [OT] Google security

2019-12-08 Thread John Hasler
Curt writes: > Yet the confirmation bias of certain ideologues will get them to > believing... Confirmation bias of *all* ideologues and ideologies. Including yours. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OT] Google security (was: dropbox security situation)

2019-12-08 Thread tomas
On Sun, Dec 08, 2019 at 10:33:42AM -, Curt wrote: > Also my understanding and experience. Yet the confirmation bias of > certain ideologues [... ] Ideologue. Noun. Anyone with views differing from Curt's > [...] being trigger-happy fanatics) any and all FUD Fanatic. Noun. Anyone whose views

Re: [OT] Google security (was: dropbox security situation)

2019-12-08 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-08, wrote: > Hi, > > 7 déc. 2019 à 18:06 de jdash...@panix.com: > >> [...] google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked >> > You are probably mixing up different notions here: cracking VS privacy > VS social engineering (phishing). AFAIK, Google account security > poli

[OT] Google security (was: dropbox security situation)

2019-12-08 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 7 déc. 2019 à 18:06 de jdash...@panix.com: > [...] google accounts whether two-step or not are routinely hacked > You are probably mixing up different notions here: cracking VS privacy VS social engineering (phishing). AFAIK, Google account security policy has very high standards towards ext