Re: Trixie xorg crash (was: Trixie hangs during boot after upgrade)

On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 23:59:11 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > It seems that symlinks have been missing: > > root@h370:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ln -s libGL.so libGL.so.1 > root@h370:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ln -s libEGL.so libEGL.so.1 > root@h370:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# > > cures the i

Re: unixodbc-bin is not available - what to do?

On 2025-06-21, Dan Ritter wrote: > > So you should make sure you have libreoffice-base, > libreoffice-base-drivers, and libsqliteodbc installed. According to the robot, you also need odbcinst and unixodbc as well as creating an ~/.odbc.ini file and creating or editing a ~/.odbcinst.ini file (if r

Re: unixodbc-bin is not available - what to do?

On Sat, Jun 21, 2025 at 15:37:38 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > I'm trying to install the libraries and drivers required to use a > sqlite3 database with libreoffice writer. However when I try to > install the required packages I get an error:- > > root@t470# apt install unixodbc-dev unixodbc-bin

Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 22:15:21 +0200, 🦓 wrote: > Gisteren schreef li...@nodatagrabbing.com: > > I can't tell you if it is the "best" way to do things, but I have always > > just deleted the entries associated with the previous release when I > > upgraded distros. I never have noticed any disadvan

Re: [SOLVED] Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 18:20:37 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2025, The Wanderer wrote: > > > Personally, what I do in response to such a prompt is to have it show me > > a diff of the two files, and then if the changes involve losing any > > settings want to retain, I have it give m

Re: [SOLVED] Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 12:12:09 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Unfortunately, I cannot find a Debian specific article on > configuration directories. However, Red Hat has "Linux configuration: > Understanding *.d directories in /etc," >

Re: [SOLVED] Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 11:40:59 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 11:30 AM wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 11:06:51AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 10:37 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > >

Re: [SOLVED] Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at 10:15:47 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > SSH config files are located in /etc, too. But admins are expected to > make changes to /etc/ssh/sshd_config.d/, and not /etc/ssh/sshd_config. That's definitely false.

Re: old entries in sources.list?

On Thu, Jun 19, 2025 at 16:57:11 +0200, Hans wrote: > Which of one I should not do? The advice is only to include sources for the current stable release, and not for any older releases. > I fear, that when deleting any entries of the previous release, it might want > to deinstall packages ("app

Re: Run script after package install, update

On Sun, Jun 15, 2025 at 12:14:30 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Well, I just plagiarised /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart: > > $ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99redogrub > DPkg::Post-Invoke {"test -x /var/local/bin/redo && /var/local/bin/redo || > true"; }; > $ > > and wrote /var/local/bin/redo

Re: Run script after package install, update?

pkg-experiment root 487062 487061 0 11:19 pts/27 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/local/sbin/dpkg-experiment SUDO_GID=1000 DPKG_FRONTEND_LOCKED=true MAIL=/var/mail/root LC_TIME=C USER=root HOME=/root COLORTERM=rxvt-xpm SUDO_UID=1000 LOGNAME=root TERM=rxvt-unicode-256color PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/us

Re: evince question

On 2025-06-12, Van Snyder wrote: > > Does "evince" have a "back" button like "okular" has? "acroread" has > one but one must find a switch for it in settings. > Left arrow works here. ctrl left arrow shifts the document 45° to the left, so that two ctrl left arrows produces an upside-down docume

Re: seeking new laser printer

On 2025-06-12, Michael Stone wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 12:41:34PM -0000, Greg wrote: >>Way back when I was still in high school, I had a Corona electric >>typewriter (it had ink cartridges you'd slip in). If you made a typo, >>you'd insert the correc

Re: evince: link preview: set up size

On 2025-06-12, Jerome BENOIT wrote: >>> I really appreciate the `link view` offered by evince. >>> However, I find the window too small. Is there a simple way >>> to set the size of the window popped up by `link view` ? >> >> You can resize it manually by clicking and dragging the divider betwee

Re: evince: link preview: set up size

On 2025-06-12, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > Hello, > > I really appreciate the `link view` offered by evince. > However, I find the window too small. Is there a simple way > to set the size of the window popped up by `link view` ? You can resize it manually by clicking and dragging the divider between

Re: seeking new laser printer

On 2024-12-08, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >> > > I recommend Canon. I have a Canon TR4722 Pixma ink jet all-in-one printer. > Canon has drivers and a configuration script on their website. Setup and > configuration was very easy. > My experience with ink-jets are expensive.

Re: seeking new laser printer

On 2025-06-11, 🦓 wrote: > > Brother.com is the ultimate American Dream in typewriters and laser > printers, says MFC-L3710CW.czyborra.com. > Way back when I was still in high school, I had a Corona electric typewriter (it had ink cartridges you'd slip in). If you made a typo, you'd insert the cor

Re: seeking new laser printer

On 2025-06-12, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 04:17:26PM -0000, Greg wrote: >>I have a Brother HL-2350DW and it just worked without further ado. > > Pretty much any modern networked single-function printer will just work. > I've used canon and lexmark

Re: seeking new laser printer

On 2024-12-08, Eddie wrote: > > > On 12/7/24 16:21, Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: >> If you are able, please recommend a black-and-white Postscript laser printer >> that will work well with Debian (Bookworm). After 29 years, I'm finally, >> and sadly, giving up on my HP LaserJet 5MP. At wor

Re: OT - The impossibility of impossibility - Re: OT- Relativistic mechanics and such - was - Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-07, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> No amount of wishful thinking will persuade the universe to change the laws >> of >> physics. >> > "Engineers once believed flying at the speed of sound would be impossible" > - https://www.history.com It seems wormholes are theoretically possible and con

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-06, Andy Smith wrote: > > $ env | grep XDG_ > This command is much more informative than Dan Ritter's (which revealed nothing here). I mean, just saying. XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=LXDE

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-06, Dan Ritter wrote: > gene heskett wrote: >> The fly in that soup is that although I thought I''ve installed xfce4 as a >> task, htop does not find anything xfce4 listed as running.  AND all the >> fetch this and that stuff that has been listed in this thread, supposedly >> made to t

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen -- SOLVED!!

lem. Sounds like an option Richard Owlett might want to turn on (though I don't know how it works). But maybe it doesn't exist for Mate. > Thanks Greg! >

Re: tbird problem

On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 20:34:29 -0400, gene heskett wrote: > What is fastfetch? I haven't the executable or the manpage for it Open a web browser. Make sure focus is on the URL bar. Type "manpages.debian.org/" and then put the name of a man page you think might exist. For example, you could ty

Re: Debian stable's screen suddenly became "larger" than the actual screen

On 2025-06-03, intnsred...@tutamail.com wrote: > > I'm running KDE/Wayland (does the same with Xorg too) on Bookw > orm/stable and while using the system all of a sudden the screen > became "larger" than the actual screen -- like I was using some sort > of "virtual desktop." System Settings → Dis

Re: does debian-12.11.0 support adding i386 architecture

On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 07:23:57 +0200, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear developers and users, > Please, is it still possible to add The I386 architecture by typing as Root > dpkg --add-architecture I386 > while working with debian-12.11.0? The architecture's name is "i386" with a lowercase "i".

Re: Setting up a Thin Client System with Dell Latitude E4300 and OVH VPS

On 2025-06-05, white-wolf wrote: > Hi, > > Apparently, the era of the Minitel is truly over... 3615 Code: Ulla. A friend from the US told me once in the eighties that looking up a phone number on the Minitel was slower than looking it up in the phone book. Now, there aren't any phone books anym

Re: tbird problem

On 2025-06-04, gene heskett wrote: > > Well, what I have I can use, I just have to learn this new way to use it. Maybe Tbird's in "Fullscreen" rather than being "Maximized" (F11). > Thanks Greg. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.

Re: tbird problem

On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 11:49:21 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full screen > > of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses for advirory > > msgs of attachment showing, are covered by the pager list and other such >

Re: tbird problem

On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 22:05:33 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On 03/06/2025 21:27, gene heskett wrote: > > I'm using tbird 139, and it has grown vertically to expect the full > > screen of 1040 lines, meaning the bottom 2 tect lines that tbird uses > > for advirory msgs of attachment showing, are c

Re: apt: WTH is a "second pre-image resistance"?

On Mon, Jun 02, 2025 at 13:49:05 +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: > Hi folks, > > trying Trixie "apt update" shows a warning about my local repo > (managed by reprepro on Bookworm) I don't know how to handle: > > Warning: http://debian.example.com/debian/dists/trixie-backports/InRelease: > Policy wil

Re: parallel gnu and parallel from moreutils

On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 19:43:39 +0200, Federico Kircheis wrote: > moreutils should also provide /usr/bin/parallel.moreutils, even if gnu > parallel is not installed(!) > > gnu parallel should also provide /usr/bin/parallel.gnu I agree with you. However, in order to make anything happen, you nee

Re: Disable upgrades on grub

On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 18:38:31 +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 17:54:00 +, xuser wrote: > >> How to configure apt to not install upgrades for grub? > > > > echo "PKGN

Re: Disable upgrades on grub

On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 17:54:00 +, xuser wrote: > How to configure apt to not install upgrades for grub? echo "PKGNAME hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections Do that for each package you want to put on hold.

Re: How to set umask for apache2

On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 15:34:39 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > ... and I have set UMask in the systemd apache2.service:- > > chris$ more /etc/systemd/system/apache2.service.d/override.conf > [service] > UMask=0002 Shouldn't that square-bracket header be capitalized? [Service] instead o

Re: nmcli connection edit introduces duplicate connection

On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 19:06:22 -0700, accipiter wrote: > At first it didn't seem to do any good, mis-replicating the eth0 connection > when I killed that particular eth0 using its UUID. But then I tried killing > *both* eth0 connections, then trying to re-edit / create the eth0 connection > - an

Re: nmcli connection edit introduces duplicate connection

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 20:46:37 -0700, accipiter wrote: > On 5/26/25 6:20 PM, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 26 May 2025 12:20:22 -0700 > > accipiter wrote: > > > > > it showed not 1 but 2 entries for eth0 - though with different UUIDs. > > > > If you are using Network Manager, you should no

Re: What file does Linux use to...

On 2025-05-20, Charles Curley wrote: > On Tue, 20 May 2025 12:04:16 -0400 > COMCAST wrote: > >> That's a lot of drivel... or are you just wishing to see what you can >> publish? > > It's rather good advice, even if it is a bit much and unsolicited. I'll > add to it: insulting people does not end

Re: Restoring fvwm key bindings

On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 15:02:56 +0200, Detlef Vollmann wrote: > And I have to correct myself: it's not starting firefox that causes > the loss of the key bindings, but a specific web site. > It's my internet banking site, and it only happens after I login, > so I can't give you a a test page. > >

Re: Restoring fvwm key bindings

On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 13:33:58 +0200, Detlef Vollmann wrote: > Key LeftA SM Scroll -100 +0 > Key Right A SM Scroll +100 +0 > Key Up A SM Scroll +0 -100 > Key DownA SM Scroll +0 +100 I don't know about these *specific* key combina

Re: What file does Linux use to...

On 2025-05-19, David Christensen wrote: > > When posting to a mailing list, the Subject line is crucial. Yours is No, it is not, and it should not contain essential information because hardly anyone ever gives it more than a rapid glance. And please refrain, now that we're giving posting advic

Re: Find e-mail address based on first and last name

On 2025-05-22, The Wanderer wrote: > > These days, I would be *surprised* if most mail-accepting domains *did* > have a postmaster address - and even more so if they actually had > someone monitoring it, or otherwise ensuring that mail sent to it didn't > just get dropped into the bit bucket. Cou

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

On 2025-05-22, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg wrote: >> On 2025-05-20, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk >> wrote: >> > >> > It seems you've encountered an obsolete wiki page (at the bottom it >> > says "AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps (las

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

On 2025-05-21, Csányi Pál wrote: > >> Please do update the wiki so that when I (and others) come to do the >> same (which I'm planning to do soon) we can benefit from your learning. "Update the wiki" can be interpreted in so many number of ways, particularly by the anal-retentive; FWIW I don't fi

Re: Building an Android app using only Android SDK and development tools already available in Debian

On 2025-05-20, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > It seems you've encountered an obsolete wiki page (at the bottom it > says "AndroidTools/IntroBuildingApps (last modified 2022-10-31 > 14:03:10)" ). The subject is being discussed in another thread at the > moment, but you can edit the wiki page

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Wed May 21, 2025 at 5:01 PM BST, Greg wrote: >> Why propose yet again the exact thing I proposed upthread (that you >> required me to spell out with ludicrous explicitness and that you >> described as unhelpful), as if you'v

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-20, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > ... I prefer ... the assumption to be that all > pages applied to the current stable release... Why propose yet again the exact thing I proposed upthread (that you required me to spell out with ludicrous explicitness and that you described as unhelpful),

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-21, john doe wrote: Then refrain from prolonging it.

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 11:47:04 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Greg Wooledge [2025-05-20 16:49:28] wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 16:38:16 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> In contrast my proposition means that when a new release happens we just > >> get a new set

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 16:38:16 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > In contrast my proposition means that when a new release happens we just > get a new set of pages, which start empty (this part can be done fully > automatically) and can be filled progressively, which should be much > more amenable to

Re: is there a bug in cp command ?

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 19:21:50 +0200, uw...@online.de wrote: > I solved the Problem for me by copy the File /usr/bin/cp from Debian 11 to > /usr/bin/cp2 on Debian 12 > > Now i can run "cp2 -ax / /mnt" and it works like expected. > > "cp -ax / /mnt" with original debian 12 cp brings error on thi

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-20, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the > "DebianBootstrap" page, but the "DebianBootstrap/trixie"

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 11:04:58 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > FWIW I didn't find "keep it up to date" useful feedback. > > Here's my view: replace each current page with a list of "per Debian > version" pages. So, when someone edits a page, they don't edit the > "DebianBootstrap" page, but th

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 14:21:32 -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-05-20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: > >> Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be > >> nice. But there isn't staff dedicat

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: >> Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be >> nice. But there isn't staff dedicated to keeping everything current, >> so how about having a "last u

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 09:41:21 -0400, Lee wrote: > Yes, keeping the wikis up to date for the current release would be > nice. But there isn't staff dedicated to keeping everything current, > so how about having a "last updated" or "last reviewed" date on each > page so people would have an idea

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-20, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >> That's what I said more succinctly. Keep the wikis up to date (I thought >> it went without saying "for Debian stable," though there's always a >> myriad of ways to be misunderstood but normally only one way to be so). > > FWIW I didn't find "keep it up

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-16, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu May 15, 2025 at 2:33 PM BST, Dan Ritter wrote: >> The most prominent issue I can see is that there is no unified >> sense of chronology. That is, I can look at a page and not have >> any idea whether it is correct for current Stable. That's what I s

Re: Checking for a mount in a shell script (Was: Re: Preparing for Debian 13)

On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 19:51:04 -0400, Lee wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 4:51 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 12:47:25PM -0400, Default User wrote: > > > Since I know almost no shell scripting, the rsync usb drive A > > > to usb drive B copy is done with a simpl

Re: What file does Linux use to...

On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 10:35:37 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > If you mean "what file contains the IP address and hostname of my own > server?": It depends whether you use NetworkManager to configure networking > or the older style. > > In the older style the config file goes in /etc/sysconfig

Re: ssh, where do the host come from

On Sat, May 17, 2025 at 23:09:18 -0500, David Wright wrote: > It may be installed, but I've always had to use: > > [ -f /etc/bash_completion ] && . /etc/bash_completion # Use bash-completion > if available > > in order for it to work: > > $ grep -A8 'bash completion' /etc/bash.bashrc > #

Re: Preparing for Debian 13

On 2025-05-17, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > I found it easiest to just run the installer and say - use LVM, all files > in one partition. Is there no rapidity cost on lower-end machines? > that give you a boot partition and everything else in one partition. > > It Just Works (for high values of

Re: ssh, where do the host come from

On Sat, May 17, 2025 at 16:37:07 +0300, Henrik Ahlgren wrote: > and it is quite rare to SSH into localhost. It's not something I do on a daily basis, but I've done it several times, because it's an excellent way to test various things, such as changes to your dot files, sshd configuration, PAM con

Re: Preparing for Debian 13

On 2025-05-16, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 11:50:41AM +0100, Richmond wrote: >> /var can grow significantly over time due to logs, databases, and other >> persistent services, so I can understand why someone might put it on its >> own partition. > > When we're talking about

Re: ssh, where do the host come from

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 16:39:15 +0100, Chris Green wrote: > fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > > when i type ssh and two tabs i get a list of host > > numeric and names > > where do they come from > > Assuming you are using bash (or another shell that does TAB > completion) I think it's probably ju

Re: Re (2): Shell function.

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 08:05:50 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Currently have this. > ev () { /usr/bin/evince "$@" & } > > DISPLAY is set in .bashrc now. Not needed in trivial functions. Why are you setting the DISPLAY variable? That sounds like a really bad idea. Or, at best, it's only vi

Re: Arch Wiki (was Re: "Tips"?)

On 2025-05-15, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > It's less clear how useful the current wiki is for users. I think many > of us are inspired by how good the Arch Wiki is for users, and the > Debian wiki falls far short of that. I guess we should try to improve it > for users, but we don't have consen

Re: "Tips"?

On 2025-05-14, Gregory Forster wrote: > Hi, >     On Wednesdays, I volunteer at a Senior Center to teach computers.  > Well, few, if any, showed up. I'm  now known as, "Greg, the gadget guy." Going way back to my parents' era, that used to be called a Stella Dallas party.

Re: Dell wifi switch

On 5/13/25 04:44, xuser wrote: I just want it to work You need to provide us more details, there are no "universal suggestions". Is the wifi adapter recognized by the kernel, what version of Debian do you use, do you know how to test it...

Re: Problem with VLC H 264 after having installed ISPY package [SOLVED]

On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 09:38:39 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:32:20AM +0200, Bernard wrote: > > Hi to Everyone, > > > > This being done, I first thought that I could possibly succeed in just > > upgrading my Buster system to its last update, which I did, successfull

Re: Dell wifi switch

On 5/12/25 19:31, xuser wrote: The wifi switch on my dell laptop is not working after installing debian. Are you looking for help or just want to let everyone know that you are disappointed?

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-11, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On Saturday, May 10, 2025 2:44:09 PM -03 Thomas Dineen wrote: > [snip] >> >> This thread is a waist of time! >> > Thank you very much! I added this to my collection of sayings. It's a pretty hip saying. > Cheers > Eike KY4PZ / ZP5CGE > > >

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-12, David Christensen wrote: > On 5/11/25 12:55, Michael Stone wrote: >> The issue isn't finding the availability of potentially >> useful machines that get trashed, the issue is that there isn't an >> efficient market for getting those machines to people who can use them. > > > In ye

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-10, Thomas Dineen wrote: > In love with old hardware? > > Have you getting a rescue cat or dog? Get a life!!! I had two rescue cats, but when they died it hurt so much I don't want to go through that again.

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-10, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> installing any even remotely current release of Debian (or any other >> kind of *nix) on hardware over a decade old probably doesn't have much >> practical benefit, and is more of an exercise in seeing >> what's possible. > > Hmm... FWIW, here are the comput

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

On 2025-05-08, wrote: > >> I'm interested in this topic, so I've done a little research >> online. Many folks look at energy consumption in terms of CO2 >> emissions, as a useful proxy for direct energy use. > > Thanks for the links! I'm interested in this topic, too (and > am mulling to have a d

Re: Debian on a VERY OLD hardware?

>> older machines are also normally using a lot more electricity than >> something small and more recent might use. > > While that's obviously good, that doesn't necessarily justify buying > a new machine from an ecological perspective: AFAIK the embedded energy > in a laptop (i.e. the energy t

Re: Internet connection in rescue mode

On Fri, May 02, 2025 at 15:31:18 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > rhkra...@gmail.com (HE12025-05-02): > > What lesson is that? > > Never run a script with any privileges unless you know exactly what it > does. Or more generally: "Third-party package repositories are often not as high-quality as Deb

Re: gnome-shell: can't change PATH at gnome-shell level

On Fri, May 02, 2025 at 12:19:52 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > I suggest to inspect PATH for each parent process PID in the tree reported > by > > ps xwf > > e.g. with proper PID number (single line) > > while IFS='' read -r -d ''; do if [[ "$REPLY" = PATH* ]]; then echo > "$REPLY"; break;

Re: sending short emails

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 15:21:26 -0400, Eben King wrote: > I guess I don't currently have an MTA. > > eben@cerberus:~$ type sendmail > bash: type: sendmail: not found > 1 The sendmail program (or symlink) lives in /usr/sbin which is probably not in your PATH as user eben. (There's also a histori

Re: sending short emails

On 2025-04-30, Eben King wrote: > I wrote a script around "ssmtp" which allowed me to fire off emails to > myself from cron. Short things, like "empty the litterbox" or whatever, > just a few words. Well, ssmtp is unmaintained and I can't get it to > work reliably with my email server (which

Re: Starting Debian 12 in run level 3

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 13:06:44 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > IIRC, it was the same in Unix Version 7, which Kernighan — or was it > Johnson or Richie? — said was an improvement on all of its successors. > And in BSD and SunOS and Solaris.

Re: Starting Debian 12 in run level 3

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 13:30:18 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Is the break in communication between Grub and the kernel, or > the kernel and systemd? I'm not best qualified to answer that, > because my graphical.target.wants includes solely udisks2.service, > and I suspect that I don't even depend

Re: Starting Debian 12 in run level 3

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 10:12:10 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > On Tue, 2025-04-29 at 08:03 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Your run levels are incorrect.  "3" included the graphical Display > > Manager and "2" did not. > > Level 0 is shutdown > Level 1 is

Re: Starting Debian 12 in run level 3

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 14:21:46 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > On Tue, 29 Apr 2025, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 13:58:31 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > > > What is the correct way of booting Debian 12 without a graphical > > > interface? > > >

Re: Starting Debian 12 in run level 3

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 13:58:31 +0200, Roger Price wrote: > I would like to start a small server in what used to be known as run level 3, > i.e. with no graphical interface. I tried setting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="3" in > /etc/default/grub and running update-grub, but this had no effect. > > What

Re: Missing shared library symbols… that don't seem to be missing

On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 00:44:59 +, Andy Smith wrote: > $ cc -Wall -lxenstat -o foo foo.c > foo.c:(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `xenstat_init' > collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status The library option (-lxenstat) has to appear *after* any objects that use it. cc -Wall -o foo foo.

Re: Different Debian for different users

On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 21:51:47 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Is there some way to setup a machine such that one user can login into it > and see a Debian stable system, while another user can log into it (in > another vty) and get, say, a Debian sid system? > > I don't really want different VMs

Re: Network mounts in /etc/fstab causing service ordering cycle

On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 17:58:20 +, tuxi...@posteo.de wrote: > I have added a few lines to /ets/fstab like this: > > //u271407.your-storagebox.de/backup /mnt/hetzner cifs > iocharset=utf8,rw,user=u271407,pass=**,uid=1000,gid=1000,cache=loose 0 3 You're missing the _netdev flag in your op

Re: apt update vs. KDE Discover?

On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 11:33:54 -0400, Lee wrote: > > Also, you should quote "$tempf". > > > > [ -s "$tempf" ] && notify-send ... > > is there any way that > $(mktemp -q --tmpdir=/tmp -t updX) > would return a 0 status and a filename with embedded spaces .. or with > anything that would req

Re: apt update vs. KDE Discover?

On 2025-04-25, David Wright wrote: >> >> Considerable extra typing susceptible to error, and as I suffer from a >> digital deformity, I prefer less to more. > > You could read man bash from the line that starts with > ALIASES Yes, but my original objection to the utility of 'apt --list upgra

Re: apt update vs. KDE Discover?

Just a few notes: On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:39:58 -0400, Lee wrote: > #!/bin/bash > # see if there are any Debian updates and pop-up a notice if there are > > # needs an /etc/sudoers.d/adm-apt-privs that has > # Cmnd_AliasADM_COMMANDS = /usr/bin/apt update > # %adm ALL = (root)

Re: apt update vs. KDE Discover?

On 2025-04-25, Lee wrote: >> >> I never run 'apt list --upgradable' because 'apt upgrade' shows the same >> info, while offering the chance to say no. > > ^shrug^ > it's harder to fuck up 'apt list --upgradable' if all you want is a > list of what updates are available, but whatever works for you.

Re: apt update vs. KDE Discover?

On 2025-04-24, Lee wrote: > > "apt update" just gets the latest package info > "apt list --upgradable" shows you what packages have updates I never run 'apt list --upgradable' because 'apt upgrade' shows the same info, while offering the chance to say no.

Re: Configure a "widows" key on a 102-key keyboard

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 08:57:16 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > xev told me that the "Windows" key on my keyboard (which opens the KDE menu) > is "Super_L". "Menu" probably is another key that is meant to open the > context menu (same as right clicking generally). On my system (which has an

[Bookworm] ZFS shutdown

s not mounted but is still busy? PS. Shutting down the server is not an option. Regards Greg

Re: Regular expressions, PCRE [was: Relation(s) between/among Kate, Kwrite, and Katepart]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 08:04:44 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > If you like to disappear in rabbit holes, this [3] one is nice. If > not, still the pic at the beginning still shows impressively an > exponential runaway for Perl's re engine compared to Tcl's which > uses a Thompson algorithm. Note

Re: https://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles

On Sun, Apr 20, 2025 at 10:32:37 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > P.S. DotFiles does not mention that PATH may be set through /etc/login.defs. I don't think this is true; it changed in Debian 10 when the shadow-utils suite was dropped in favor of util-linux. hobbit:~$ man login.defs [...] BUGS

Re: https://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles

On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 18:34:07 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Aside, with my "concerned about content licensing hat on"; and I note the > paragraph on your wiki's front page. You are the principal but not sole > author of the page on your site, I see; do you have a view on what license > you co

Re: https://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles

On Sat, Apr 19, 2025 at 08:12:02 -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > In https://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles the sixth paragraph states, "You > should therefore always have command source ~/.bashrc at the end of > your .bash_profile in order to force it to be read by a login shell." Just FYI, that pag

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