On 20/11/14 01:04, Brian wrote:
You could create a free software progam which falsely shouts 'fire' over
the public broadcasting system in a crowded theatre. From your point of
view that would seem to be the best of all possible worlds.
None of the people who were told to fuck off shouted fire
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state
of alternatives.
If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which
was set up
On 19/11/14 15:44, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500
songbird wrote:
let us thank each one of them for their efforts
to continue making Debian what it is:
Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what
it is...
However you lo
On 16/11/14 21:42, Keith Peter wrote:
On 16/11/2014, Peter Nieman wrote:
[snip]
It's the domination of the desktop environment ideology that's the
problem. Many users came to Linux and Debian years ago because they were
fed up with Microsoft. And now the same ideology infiltrates t
On 16/11/14 18:33, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
You might very well be unhappy with this situation, the way the decision
was taken, the way it wasn't challenged by the DDs, the fact that no
conditions were posed to systemd maintainers, or anything else, that's
totally fine. Please just be aware th
Frankly, I don't understand why so many people are focussing on systemd
so much. In my opinion, systemd ist just a *symptom* (although perhaps a
very prominent one). It is not the *cause* of the disease or the disease
itself.
Has anyone ever wondered where all these funny directories like
~/.
On 09/11/14 14:57, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I wish all desktops had systematic, transparent, naive-user-accessible
ways of identifying what packages or programs are invoked by menu items.
One of the key characteristics of "desktop environments" is to conceal
this and make everything look the same.
On 04/11/14 19:04, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Using the threat of forking to make people change their mind
I didn't threaten anybody.
do not send 100 mails to ML's
I didn't. I don't even know what "ML's" are.
Now, my impression is that some people advocating things like Gnome
and systemd h
On 04/11/14 03:53, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 8:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
I suppose it may be polemic to assert that forking debian and setting up
a new community would be labor-intensive, fractious, divisive, and
general not a wise use of precious free/libre/open community resources,
in s
On 03/11/14 07:13, Charles Kroeger wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 20:10:01 +0100
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
I see from other messages in this thread that I'm not the only person to
think it equally ludicrous to have a workflow that involves rebooting
the entire machine just to mount and unmo
On 03/11/14 01:18, Joel Rees wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/
It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread.
Required reading because of what? In order
On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote:
http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/
It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread.
Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and
insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word "dumb
On 01/11/14 17:58, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Surprisingly 10th of different executables talking to each other using
a common IPC mechanism (dbus here) seems to be really "unixy" to me...
And what are these 10s of different executables talking about behind my
back? ;-)
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On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on "all in one partition
(beginners)"?
If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems
because of stuff not mounted.
I guess you're right that there was an option to have ev
On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote:
I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of
/usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent
installations (not that I like t
On 25/10/14 17:38, Martin Read wrote:
I would take the "several alternatives" as tending to indicate that
perhaps sysvinit + sysvrc does not work "perfectly well", but instead
merely BALGE (By And Large Good Enough).
I really doubt that it indicates anything like that. There are more
reasons w
On 25/10/14 12:36, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Vi, 24 oct 14, 14:24:31, Peter Nieman wrote:
And there should be ethical considerations, e. g. to not expose the users by
default to software that due to its complexity and technical characteristics
might facilitate intrusion and spying.
Dam'i
On 23/10/14 22:10, David L. Craig wrote:
On 14Oct23:2035+0300, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote:
That's not the point. From the technical point of
view, IMO, you are correct but that's not the only
view that exists in Debian Project, me thinks.
[snip]
My choices reg. my use of technology isn'
On 21/10/14 21:08, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:49 +0200
Raffaele Morelli wrote:
Using systemd since 2014-08-09 with no issues.
Good for you. Let's see if you have no issues 2016-08-09, if Red Hat
wins its war against Linux.
Not quite sure I'd go that f
On 21/10/14 17:53, Doug wrote:
What do you suggest instead of cups? Or do you not print?
I'm using good old lpr with a self-made GUI. I consider cups an obese
replacement of something I never had a problem with.
But even though I don't have cups, I can't get rid of libcups2. If I try
to remov
On 21/10/14 00:48, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
If this Debian Fork doesn't make use of:
systemd
dbus
pam
gnome
And uses EFL + E19, then, I'm in!
As far as I am concerned, you can add cups and a few other things to
this list, too. And the word "udev" doesn't have alltogether positive
connotations
On 20/10/14 13:53, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 19 oct 14, 15:35:47, Peter Nieman wrote:
Anyway, evince *recommends* dbus-X11, but after removing dbus it no
longer worked.
Could you please elaborate on "it no longer worked"? Do you get any
errors if you start it from a terminal?
On 19/10/14 15:04, Scott Ferguson wrote:
You hijacked the thread - and this is why that's considered bad form -
it muddies the discussion. Tangents deserve their own, appriately chosen
Subject line, threads - then they get the attention they deserve instead
of being passed over by reader on the b
On 19/10/14 13:48, Brian wrote:
On Sat 18 Oct 2014 at 17:29:58 +0200, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Do you have an answer to your question?
Wild guess - notifications?
I don't know claws, but I know from Wheezy that many packages depend
on dbus although
On 18/10/14 19:36, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
Great, but that's Gentoo way, we should have made a Gentuish Debian, i.e. port
certain portage features into APT, such as easily control build flgas. But
then it's needed to keep record of not which packages a package depends on,
but which parts of which
On 18/10/14 13:49, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 18/10/14 23:28, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without
On 17/10/14 20:25, Brian wrote:
Why
it needs to be compiled without dbus is also unknown.
You're asking the wrong question. The question you should ask yourself
is: if claws-mail works perfectly well without dbus, then why does
Debian ship a version that depends on it?
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On 11/10/14 20:00, Nate Bargmann wrote:
This is the question I have, what are the stated boundaries of the
systemd project? Have any boundaries/goals been stated in terms of when
systemd will be feature complete?
Didn't Mr. Poettering make it sufficiently clear in numerous speeches
that the u
On 07/10/14 18:00, Steve Litt wrote:
Read ^H^H^H^H skim the thread. Notice how, in the first 10 posts, after
insisting that alternate inits be part of the discussion, a guy named
Thorsten Glaser was ordered not to bring up alternate inits in the
thread again. Again and again, the conversation is
On 07/10/14 07:23, Steve Litt wrote:
These are nowhere near a verbatim repeat of what the Listmaster said,
but if these two things are what he meant, well, I can live with that,
always assuming it's enforced uniformly and posters are notified when
their posts go to /dev/null.
I'll try hard to co
On 28/09/14 18:57, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I want change. Change is life. There is
nothing static in life.
That's a nice "kitchen philosophy" (as we would call it in German), and
one that the sellers of novelties of all kind will appreciate.
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On 28/09/14 12:37, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:00:08 schrieb Peter Nieman:
On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency
creep.
I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't rem
On 25/09/14 18:16, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
The KDE project has spent *years* of development to reduce dependency creep.
I don't think KDE is the problem here. I don't remember ever having run
into a situation where installing a non-DE package resulted in KDE
components being pulled in. But
On 25/09/14 12:09, martin f krafft wrote:
But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
declared next year the Year of Linux of the Desktop and forgot that
the Universal Operating System should also cater to non-desktops.
Exactly.
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On 23/09/14 00:53, lee wrote:
Fortunately, you don't even need to install it on Debian.
Except that in Wheezy an awful lot of packages depend on libpulse0 even
though they work perfectly well without Pulseaudio, and they'll create a
directory under $HOME that contains nothing more than a brok
On 20/09/14 22:20, Don Armstrong wrote:
In all of these separate threads, you have been doing little but
maligning people who are volunteering for Debian. It's not a nice thing
to do, it's not pleasant to read, and in doing so, you're actively
draining existing contributor's desire to continue wo
On 18/09/14 17:09, Steve Litt wrote:
I really want to use Jack, but every time I've tried, I failed
miserably and gotten no sound. Is there some special mindset you need
when installing/configuring Jack, and if so, where can I find out about
it?
There's a graphical frontend called qjackctl wher
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful "list master" -
is trying to stop this?
This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any
meaning at all.
p.
On 13/09/14 22:46, lee wrote:
I'd be happy to see some support. I cannot speak for "the users" or for
"the free software community". You users, and the community members,
whoever they are, need to speak as well.
OK, so I'll "speak as well". :-)
But first of all I'd like to thank you and some
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