Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 20/2/24 18:11, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 19/2/24 14:20, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 19/2/24 10:26, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 18/2/24 14:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 18/2/24 07:34, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Keith Bainbridge wrote: Yes the / partitions are btrfs So the a

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 20/02/2024 à 01:58, Andy Smith a écrit : Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Sorry il was packagekit, I made a mistake while writing. If it's packagekit then isn't it going to be some part of your desktop environment? Which desktop environment are you using? GN

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 20/02/2024 à 03:20, Max Nikulin a écrit : On 20/02/2024 02:35, Erwan David wrote: Le 19/02/2024 à 18:00, Max Nikulin a écrit :     systemctl disable --now apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer Perhaps it is possible to write a script that will respect connection.metered property set by N

Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread Felix Miata
Keith Bainbridge composed on 2024-02-20 17:45 (UTC+1100): > I just removed 3 snapshots from my daily driver with no change in used > space reported by df df doesn't know how to calculate freespace on btrfs. You need to be typing btrfs filesystem df if you have not aliased df to btrfs f

Re: Banning a user from posting to Debian lists

2024-02-19 Thread Charles Kroeger
just checking -- CK

Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 19/2/24 14:20, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 19/2/24 10:26, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 18/2/24 14:49, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 18/2/24 07:34, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Keith Bainbridge wrote: Yes the / partitions are btrfs So the apparently missing space is perhaps taken up

Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 19/2/24 13:00, Max Nikulin wrote: On 19/02/2024 06:26, Keith Bainbridge wrote: So later yesterday afternoon I created a new snapshot with no obvious change is free space. Effect of snapshots is delayed. When you remove a file that does not belong to any snapshot, some disk space is rec

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 03:56:49AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:21:24PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Does anyone know when these things changed, and why on earth nobody > > knew about it?! Did I miss a section in the release notes or something? > > Why are you shocked

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:21:24PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Does anyone know when these things changed, and why on earth nobody > knew about it?! Did I miss a section in the release notes or something? Why are you shocked by this? Most of it is disabled by default (no update / upgrade /

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread gene heskett
On 2/19/24 22:15, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:06:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Andy, look at that CET after my name in the sig, that stands for Certified Electronics Tachnician. There isn't a polite way to say this really but unfortunately I am unable to take you seriou

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? (Was Re: Orphaned Inode Problem)

2024-02-19 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/2/24 08:48, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the cable and eventually making false con

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 09:20:11AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > >     systemctl disable --now apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer > To avoid confusion, these timers are from the apt package, not from > unattended-upgrades. So they are active on most Debian hosts. Holy crap... when did this h

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:06:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Andy, look at that CET after my name in the sig, that stands for Certified > Electronics Tachnician. There isn't a polite way to say this really but unfortunately I am unable to take you seriously as you've posted so many outrigh

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread gene heskett
On 2/19/24 20:29, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:16:49PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? (Was Re: Orphaned Inode Problem)

2024-02-19 Thread gene heskett
On 2/19/24 19:49, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the cable and eventually making false conta

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/02/2024 02:35, Erwan David wrote: Le 19/02/2024 à 18:00, Max Nikulin a écrit :     systemctl disable --now apt-daily.timer apt-daily-upgrade.timer Perhaps it is possible to write a script that will respect connection.metered property set by NetworkManager. I disable the timers, thanks

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Felix Miata
Andy Smith composed on 2024-02-20 01:29 (UTC): > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:16:49PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >>> I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I >>> can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I >>> can't seem to find anything about red p

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:16:49PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I > > can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I > > can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging the copper. > > Have you go

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Felix Miata
Andy Smith composed on 2024-02-20 00:48 (UTC): > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: >> The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red >> pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the >> cable and eventually ma

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Sorry il was packagekit, I made a mistake while writing. If it's packagekit then isn't it going to be some part of your desktop environment? Which desktop environment are you using? GNOME will download updates and prompt you to i

red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? (Was Re: Orphaned Inode Problem)

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: > The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red > pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the > cable and eventually making false contact before failing completely. I'

Re: Re: GRUB lost graphical terminal mode

2024-02-19 Thread Borden
> On 18 Feb 2024 21:28 +0100, from borde...@tutanota.com (Borden): > > what the default is when neither of those are set (which doesn't > > work). Is this another "undocumented feature" of GRUB? > > Would you be willing to post your /boot/grub/grub.cfg for a setup where you > get the blank screen

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Erwan David
Le 19/02/2024 à 18:00, Max Nikulin a écrit : On 19/02/2024 14:35, Erwan David wrote: After each boot, the equivalent of apt update is automatically done in background, through policykit (apt database is locked by policykitd). So I think there is a timer triggroing this. I'd like to disable t

Re: Upgrade to Bookworm, now GNOME keyring dies--no access to stored SSH key passwords

2024-02-19 Thread Nate Bargmann
Well, it appears like most things in life this one was self inflicted. 🤬 Yesterday I was working on another project and to verify something was occurring the 'strace' utility was recommended. It dawned on me that this could help me get a clue as to what was happening to the gnome-keyring-daemon.

Re: Orphaned Inode Problem

2024-02-19 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ
On Montag, 19. Februar 2024 14:20:52 -03 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:02:10AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > I am running up to date Bookworm on my Debian platform: > > > > Processor AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor > > Memory 8026MB (5267MB used) > > Machine

Re: Orphaned Inode Problem

2024-02-19 Thread tomas
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 12:30:30PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: [...] > Thanks for he reply. It's somewhat reassuring. > > According to my logs the box had its' last major  last upgrade in 2014, so I > shouldn't be too surprised. > > My backup is underweight and should be done sometime tomor

Re: Orphaned Inode Problem

2024-02-19 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 02/19/2024 12:20 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:02:10AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I am running up to date Bookworm on my Debian platform: Processor AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor Memory 8026MB (5267MB used) Machine TypeDesktop Operating System

Re: Orphaned Inode Problem

2024-02-19 Thread tomas
On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:02:10AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running up to date Bookworm on my Debian platform: > > Processor AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor > Memory8026MB (5267MB used) > Machine Type Desktop > Operating System Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) >

Banning a user from posting to Debian lists

2024-02-19 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
[Also posted to commun...@debian.org / listmas...@lists.debian.org] Subject: Banning of a user from posting to Debian lists === As noted in the monthly FAQ, among the events that can take place on Debian lists as a result of breach of the Debian

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/02/2024 14:35, Erwan David wrote: After each boot, the equivalent of apt update is automatically done in background, through policykit (apt database is locked by policykitd). So I think there is a timer triggroing this. I'd like to disable this when my laptop is on expensive link (eg 4G

Re: sudo udisksctl

2024-02-19 Thread Max Nikulin
David, feel free to stop discussion if you find me annoying. My problem in some sense is close to your one and I am trying to figure out if missed some udisks feature and the result is some inconvenience. On 19/02/2024 11:26, David Wright wrote: On Sun 18 Feb 2024 at 12:41:29 (+0700), Max Niku

Orphaned Inode Problem

2024-02-19 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I am running up to date Bookworm on my Debian platform: Processor AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor Memory 8026MB (5267MB used) Machine TypeDesktop Operating SystemDebian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) I have been plagued with orphaned inodes. Last night the problem cane to a hea

Re: how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

2024-02-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Harald Dunkel wrote: > Hi folks, > > Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source > package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might > be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental > binary packages from the nvid

Re: Hard links - How do they work

2024-02-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Keith Bainbridge wrote: > As promised: > I said sometime in this thread that timeshift (and Back in Time) use hard > links to create progressive copies of the system. The more I think about how > hard links reportedly work, I reckon it can't be simply hard links. > > So I'm starting a new thread

how to downgrade nvidia-graphics-drivers packages?

2024-02-19 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi folks, Looking at a set of installed binary packages built from the same source package, I would like to keep the version numbers consistent. There might be exceptions, but in general you won't like to mix unstable and experimental binary packages from the nvidia-graphics-drivers, for example.

Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread debian-user
David Christensen wrote: > On 2/18/24 19:20, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > I am convinced that the missing space is used by btrfs snapshot > > process. > > > Perhaps. But, are you re-balancing your btrfs file systems regularly? > > https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/btrfs-progs/btrfs-balance

Re: partition reporting full, but not

2024-02-19 Thread DdB
Am 19.02.2024 um 04:20 schrieb Keith Bainbridge: > I am convinced that the missing space is used by btrfs snapshot process. First off: I am not a btrfs user (and will never be, i might add). I am using zfs since many years, and - although i read an awful lot of documentation beforehand, and played

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Anssi Saari
Erwan David writes: > Hello, > > After each boot, the equivalent of apt update is automatically done in > background, through policykit (apt database is locked by > policykitd). So I think there is a timer triggroing this. I'd like to > disable this when my laptop is on expensive link (eg 4G link