Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100):
> Wrt. power I usually start from CPU + GPU
I used an online calculator
https://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator
on this system with
i3-7100T (TDP 35W) supports up t
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen
wrote:
> On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen <
> dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
>
> >>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router i
David Wright composed on 2021-03-07 20:01 (UTC-0600):
> On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 20:39:12 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
>> At retail level, modem-routers seem to be rather uncommon. OTOH, owning your
>> own
>> modem and router can produce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem and/or
>> router in a
David Wright writes:
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
> The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500):
> > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote:
[...]
> > Isn't progress fun?
>
> Same kind as when Intel stopped providing PS/2 ports on its motherboa
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 20:39:12 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
> At retail level, modem-routers seem to be rather uncommon. OTOH, owning your
> own
> modem and router can produce an ISP savings that will pay for a modem and/or
> router in as little as 6-12 months by buying quality "refurbs". I have
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 19:33:42 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote:
> The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500):
> > On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote:
>
> >> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use
> >> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denomi
Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:33 (UTC-0800):
> Felix Miata wrote:
> So there seems to be some incompatibility between the old mac and
> the router-modem. Both however are black boxes and i am constrained from
> just wiping the mac and installing debian on it, to see if this is just a
> soft
>
>
> Also ip a. Someday you may no longer have arp:
> <
> https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/
> >
>
Yes, "$ ip neighbor" (or "ip n" for short) is the correct syntax on modern
Linux.
Thanks.
Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 17:01 (UTC-0800):
> IL Ka wrote:
>>> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is
>>> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac
>>> addr of my modem-router is?
>> $ ping [your_rounter_ip]
>> $ arp -a
>> y
On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen
wrote:
On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or
otherwise
misbehaves when
The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 18:00 (UTC-0500):
> On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote:
>> Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support
>> NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board
>> bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold boo
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:58 PM IL Ka wrote:
>
>>
>> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is
>> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac
>> addr of my modem-router is?
>>
> $ ping [your_rounter_ip]
> $ arp -a
>
> you should see a lis
>
>
>
> [Although, i guess i do not know the mac addr of the modem-router --- is
> there a user-level move i can make on my debian box to see what the mac
> addr of my modem-router is?
>
$ ping [your_rounter_ip]
$ arp -a
you should see a list of all your ethernet neighbours along with their ip
an
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:46 PM IL Ka wrote:
> A random thought:
> Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same.
>
Thanks for the thought.
That is a reasonable sanity check.
But as it happens, all the mac addrs on all these boxes are different ---
i've accumulated a list of them due to v
A random thought:
Check mac addresses, make sure they aren't the same.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:36 AM Dan Hitt wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote:
>
>>
>>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
>>> incompatible with one of my computers.
>
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen
wrote:
> On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> >>
> >>> I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and
> >>> it is fast enough for me. But if i
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote:
>
>> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
>> incompatible with one of my computers.
>>
> hmm, I never heard about such things)
> Is your electrical grounding configured correctly?
>
> In my country some old apartments
The Wanderer composed on 2021-03-07 19:16 (UTC-0500):
> On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote:
>> I can see how GPT labels would be useful for system drives, but I use
>> BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move
>> system drives between machines of varying a
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:16 PM Felix Miata wrote:
> Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800):
>
> > The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
> > incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or
> otherwise
> > misbehaves when one of its ether
On 3/7/21 4:16 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote:
... I use
BIOS/MBR because it is the lowest common denominator and I can move
system drives between machines of varying age.
That'll probably stop working past a certain point, at least for some
machines.
On 3/7/21 4:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen wrote:
On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote:
I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and
it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a
little
less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it
>
>
> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
> incompatible with one of my computers.
>
hmm, I never heard about such things)
Is your electrical grounding configured correctly?
In my country some old apartments do not have third (ground) wire. I've
seen a lot of gl
On 2021-03-07 at 19:04, David Christensen wrote:
> On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote:
>> IMO UEFI makes sense when you have notebook with secureboot and probably
>> dual boot with windows.
>> For the home server or PC with Linux only ... IMO it is a waste.
>
> I can see how GPT labels would be
Dan Hitt composed on 2021-03-07 16:02 (UTC-0800):
> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically
> incompatible with one of my computers. That computer freezes or otherwise
> misbehaves when one of its ethernet ports is on a network which also has
> the modem-router.
On 3/7/21 12:59 PM, deloptes wrote:
David Christensen wrote:
UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a
BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay for a
server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop.
This implies UEFI fi
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 11:01 AM David Christensen
wrote:
> On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote:
>
> > I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and
> > it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a
> little
> > less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:11:26 -0500
John Boxall wrote:
Hello John,
>Brad, I agree 100%..unfortunately, like my memory, I use selective
>action.sometimes I create one and other times :-)
Sadly, Me too. :-(
--
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/
On 2021-03-07 at 17:48, Felix Miata wrote:
> Don't settle for a motherboard that lacks any M.2 ports that support
> NVME 2280 form factor storage. Prefer more than one on any board
> bigger than ITX. I've see reports of <3 second cold boot to
> multi-user times using NVME. Best I've seen here is <
songbird composed on 2021-03-07 13:06 (UTC-0500):
> apparently Gigabyte has/had some strange ideas about UEFI.
No such here. Gigabyte made the first motherboard I ever acquired with UEFI
that I
used with UEFI, so i
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> If you _are_ using add in graphics, then you'll find that the latest cards
> effectively tie into UEFI. You may possibly find that attempting to use
> legacy/MBR may cause some problems.
It would be good to have more reading on that. I had it on my todo list to
move to
On 2021-03-07 at 16:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote:
>>> what has the graphic card to do with UEFI?
>>
>> If you're not using an add-in graphics card, but are relying on
>> integrated graph
On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 04:06:07PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote:
>
> > David Christensen wrote:
> >
> >> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so
> >> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay
> >> for a s
On 2021-03-07 at 15:59, deloptes wrote:
> David Christensen wrote:
>
>> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so
>> a BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay
>> for a server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for
>> a desktop. Th
David Christensen wrote:
> UEFI started coming into x86 motherboard firmware ~10 years ago, so a
> BIOS-only machine is going to be at least that old. That is okay for a
> server, but I would want newer Intel integrated graphics for a desktop.
> This implies UEFI firmware.
what has the graphic c
On 3/7/21 11:00 AM, ghe2001 wrote:
All of my current boxes are pretty old, and they all have vanilla BIOSes. I have a Dell laptop that came with a UEFI BIOS, and it was no fun at all getting it to run Debian -- it may still be misconfigured for all I know.
If you want to start a new thread,
On 3/7/21 11:03 AM, Celejar wrote:
There are, however, disadvantages as well (besides the fact that
anything used involves some risk): these types of machines can have
proprietary and non-standard aspects. E.g., I wasted a great deal of
time (and some money) during deployment of my Z440 when I m
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 00:48:04 -0800
David Christensen wrote:
> On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote:
> >
> >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to
> >> figure out what to do.
...
> >> I'm sort of thinking about ge
On 3/7/21 9:55 AM, Dan Hitt wrote:
I indeed use ethernet-over-usb currently, and
it is fast enough for me. But if i had a second port, it would be a little
less cluttered, so i'd like to do it if it is not too costly and doesn't
interfere with other goals. :)
Will the new computer connect to
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On Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:59 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to figure
> out what to do.
>
> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI boo
>> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop
>> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the
>> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers
>> with ECC memory.
> it's a really poor choice that that did not becom
On 2021-03-07 1:06 p.m., songbird wrote:
apparently Gigabyte has/had some strange ideas about UEFI.
sadly i didn't know this and couldn't shop other than through
the phone line talking to someone so i had to rely upon them
selecting a motherboard for me. don't really want to sent it
back eit
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 13:07:54 -0500, John Boxall wrote:
> On 2021-03-07 12:45 p.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 17:34:59 +, Brian wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I forgot to ask before - and forgot again! What device are you using?
> >
>
> An Epson Perfection 2480 Photo.
An oldie
Kenneth Parker wrote:
...
> I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that I'm
> here, it's "sort of" grown on me.
>
> What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on
> Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefully read the
> Documentat
David Christensen wrote:
...
> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop
> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the
> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers
> with ECC memory.
it's a really poor choice
On 2021-03-07 12:47 p.m., Brad Rogers wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:34:59 +
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
put it there because I tend to forget changes I make in /etc! In this
You're using a computer; you don't /need/ to remember those changes.
Use the computer to do it for you.
IOW, create
On 2021-03-07 12:45 p.m., Brian wrote:
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 17:34:59 +, Brian wrote:
John,
I forgot to ask before - and forgot again! What device are you using?
An Epson Perfection 2480 Photo.
So, having read a little further, maybe I could have used the Epson
offering for a driver. I
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 8:54 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Dan Hitt wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote:
> >
> > > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to
> > > figure out what to do.
>
> What are your needs, and what's your budget?
>
> Are you comfort
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:11 AM IL Ka wrote:
>
>> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After
>> dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena.
>> However, i don't want to get involved with that again.
>>
>
> Motherboard firmware could be s
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 17:34:59 +
Brian wrote:
Hello Brian,
>put it there because I tend to forget changes I make in /etc! In this
You're using a computer; you don't /need/ to remember those changes.
Use the computer to do it for you.
IOW, create a text file documenting those system additions
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 17:34:59 +, Brian wrote:
John,
I forgot to ask before - and forgot again! What device are you using?
--
Brian.
Hi. Day 2 of Debian for me! I'm a long time on-off Ubuntu/Raspberry Pi OS user
though - but first time with a standard Debian install, and first time with
Wayland.
I'd love some pointers about how (if at all) I can change the acceleration of
my touchpad. Truth is, I'm not sure what I want to ch
On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 12:07:30 -0500, John Boxall wrote:
> On 2021-03-05 12:04 p.m., Brian wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, too. In the light of your issue, the Troubleshooting section
> > now has a link to the bug report. Hopefully, this will help users.
> >
>
> Brian, in the reference to the bug rep
On 2021-03-05 12:04 p.m., Brian wrote:
Thank you, too. In the light of your issue, the Troubleshooting section
now has a link to the bug report. Hopefully, this will help users.
Brian, in the reference to the bug report, were you referring to the file:
/etc/udev/rules.d/65-libsane.rules
Con
Dan Hitt wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote:
>
> > I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to
> > figure out what to do.
What are your needs, and what's your budget?
Are you comfortable plugging together components to build a
machine, or do you w
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:03 AM Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 10:28:34AM -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:
> > One potential gotcha. When you boot from an mdadm file system containing
> > /boot/grub, grub will not write to the file system. In particular, it
> will
> > not update gru
>
>
> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After
> dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena.
> However, i don't want to get involved with that again.
>
Motherboard firmware could be switched to the legacy BIOS/MBR mode, so you
do not
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 10:28:34AM -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:
> One potential gotcha. When you boot from an mdadm file system containing
> /boot/grub, grub will not write to the file system. In particular, it will
> not update grub/grubenv even if you have a save_env line in grub.cfg. So if
>
Greetings, Debian users
I have Debian Buster fully updated. After fiddling with some themes, qt
applications (vlc, qbittorrent and others I guess) stopped showing
their icons in the xfce notification area. I tried removing and adding
again the notification area thingie, but no luck.
On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote:
[snip]
I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that
I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me.
What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on
Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefull
On Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 04:55:11PM +, Tiago Zaniquelli wrote:
> Hello everybody.
>
> I am trying to setup my notebook with fingerprint login but I didn't have
> success.
There is a related thread over at debian-project. It starts
here:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2021/02/msg00
On 3/7/21 12:48 AM, David Christensen wrote:
The Debian x86 installer detects if you have booted the computer in BIOS
or UEFI mode, and works accordingly.
"Debian amd64 installer" is more accurate.
David
On 3/6/21 9:02 PM, Dan Hitt wrote:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote:
I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to
figure out what to do.
When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After
dealing with it, i sort of lost track of wh
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