Re: Problem using reportbug for *FIRST* time

2020-02-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 28 feb 20, 04:52:24, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 02/28/2020 02:34 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Jo, 27 feb 20, 07:30:31, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > How do I resend it now (I've never knowingly used SMPT)? > > > > #328531 > > I don't see the connection. As per the bug report, reportbug

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Feb 2020 at 23:19:07 (+0100), Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Ted Baker (2020-02-28 22:41:27) > > Thanks, I was referring to john doe's earlier comment "In other words, > > one language needs to be selected in order to be able to choose 'none' > > (use none if you access the host thro

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ted Baker (2020-02-28 22:41:27) > Thanks, I was referring to john doe's earlier comment "In other words, > one language needs to be selected in order to be able to choose 'none' > (use none if you access the host through SSH) or 'C.UTF-8." > > And the fact that in dpkg-reconfigure locale

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Ted Baker
Thanks, I was referring to john doe's earlier comment "In other words, one language needs to be selected in order to be able to choose 'none' (use none if you access the host through SSH) or 'C.UTF-8." And the fact that in dpkg-reconfigure locales, I didn't see the option for C.UTF-8. If I uncheck

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 04:10:54PM -0500, Ted Baker wrote: > So C.UTF-8 in itself does not count as a valid locale, and I have to add > something like en_US.UTF-8? This is debian-user, so the answer is "it's valid in Debian". You can tell because it shows up in the output of "locale -a". For a m

Re: ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N13 802.11n Network Adapter (rev. B1) [Realtek RTL8192CU]

2020-02-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-02-28 at 15:58, Charles Curley wrote: > I have an ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N13 802.11n Network Adapter > (rev. B1) [Realtek RTL8192CU], which I would like to use with hostapd > on Debian 10.3 as updated. I have installed firmware-realtek version > 20190114-2. The adapter shows up in lsu

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Ted Baker
So C.UTF-8 in itself does not count as a valid locale, and I have to add something like en_US.UTF-8? The problem seems to show up only in gnome though. In console mode, things are fine without en_US.UTF-8. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:52 AM john doe wrote: > On 2/28/2020 3:34 PM, Ted Baker wrote:

ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N13 802.11n Network Adapter (rev. B1) [Realtek RTL8192CU]

2020-02-28 Thread Charles Curley
I have an ASUSTek Computer, Inc. USB-N13 802.11n Network Adapter (rev. B1) [Realtek RTL8192CU], which I would like to use with hostapd on Debian 10.3 as updated. I have installed firmware-realtek version 20190114-2. The adapter shows up in lsusb, and I believe the firmware blob is loading. root@ch

Re: Buster: Display what Firmware is applied

2020-02-28 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 3:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 03:15:18PM -0500, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Is there information I can get (via, either a command or a file display) > to > > see what Firmware is actually Applied? > > dmesg | grep -i firmware > Thank you Greg. Just w

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Shanbin Zhao
> > I've no idea about the answer to that, but I am interested about > how you ascertained the parental relationship. > I used `ps flax`. Output from the `pstree` command Greg mentioned looks nicer.

Re: Buster: Display what Firmware is applied

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 03:15:18PM -0500, Kenneth Parker wrote: > Is there information I can get (via, either a command or a file display) to > see what Firmware is actually Applied? dmesg | grep -i firmware

Buster: Display what Firmware is applied

2020-02-28 Thread Kenneth Parker
Due to special testing requirements (i.e. helping a Friend), I need to Install a new Buster Partition. The current, running one required a significant amount of Trial and Error (Lenovo Ideapad 320 -- need I say more?), including non-free packages, before I was able to get Firmware that worked. A

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 01:55:12PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > Like G.W. Haywood, I run fvwm with All of the cool people do! :r !pstree systemd-+-acpid |-login---bash---startx---xinit-+-Xorg---3*[{Xorg}] | `-fvwm-+-FvwmAnimate |

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread David Wright
On Fri 28 Feb 2020 at 11:21:35 (-0500), Ted Baker wrote: > > > > In GNOME, terminals are not children of the window manager, or even of > > the session manager. When you ask for a terminal, GNOME sends a letter > > to dbus, asking dbus to please make a terminal. Your gnome-terminal > > is a child

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, February 28, 2020 12:55:38 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Whatever it is that you wanted to know. Thanks for your reply! What I wanted to know is whether KDE had the same problem that you perceived with GNOME (without fully understanding the details or ramifications of the problem). At s

Re: The nightmare of Intel Integrated GPUs under Linux in general and Debian in particular

2020-02-28 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 23:15:43 +0100 "Miguel A. Vallejo" wrote: > Interesting very interesting. > > > (On what GPU?) > > The same as yours: > > VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 (rev 06) > > in a I5-6500 CPU. > > > For whatever it's worth, I do *not* see any prob

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Dan Ritter
Tixy wrote: > On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 06:45 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Go to /etc/nsswitch.conf > > > > > > If these lines look like this > > > > > > passwd: compat systemd > > > group: compat systemd > > > shadow: compat systemd > > > > > > rem

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:32:00PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, February 28, 2020 11:09:23 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:00:58AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Do you (or does anyone else) know if KDE works in a manner similar to > > > GNOME, or is

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2020-02-28 at 06:45 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > > Go to /etc/nsswitch.conf > > > > If these lines look like this > > > > passwd: compat systemd > > group: compat systemd > > shadow: compat systemd > > > > remove the systemd references. > > >

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, February 28, 2020 11:09:23 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:00:58AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Do you (or does anyone else) know if KDE works in a manner similar to > > GNOME, or is it more like the traditional X11 setup? > > If you're actually using KDE, y

Re: Modern automounters and umount

2020-02-28 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, G.W. Haywood wrote: > The system load averages are elevated to an extent, > but 'top' doesn't show any particular processes hogging CPU. If top does not show processes which cause visible high overall CPU load, then this might indicate many short running processes. You could estimate the num

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hello again, On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, Dan Ritter wrote: A ridiculously decelerated gzip is evidence of one of the following: - CPU throttling - disk errors - something interfering with the disk reading or writing You've probably seen my reply to your first by now, it seems that disc access probl

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, Thanks very much for the reply. On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: What Desktop Environment? I believe GNOME is using Wayland by default and needs hardware acceleration. Try something like LXDE instead. Sorry, I did mean to mention that but I forgot. It's XFCE, and the gree

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:21:35AM -0500, Ted Baker wrote: > so in my terminal, I can see the parental relationship is, > > init -> systemd --user -> gnome-terminal-server -> bash > where init is /usr/lib/systemd > > how do these three processes fit into your dbus description? Who knows? It's a

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Ted Baker
> > In GNOME, terminals are not children of the window manager, or even of > the session manager. When you ask for a terminal, GNOME sends a letter > to dbus, asking dbus to please make a terminal. Your gnome-terminal > is a child of dbus, and inherits its environment from dbus. > > You do not ge

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:00:58AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Do you (or does anyone else) know if KDE works in a manner similar to GNOME, > or is it more like the traditional X11 setup? If you're actually using KDE, you could find out for yourself by trying it and seeing what happens. G

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, February 28, 2020 09:35:36 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > In a traditional X11 setup, your session is a hierarchy of processes, > with the window manager (or session manager) as the parent/root of > the hierarchy. Every process is a descendant of the window manager, > and inherits its enviro

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It would also be good to look after the basics, like running "uptime" > to check the load average, "top" to see if there are processes running > amok, "df" to see if a file system is unexpectedly full, and so on. Yes, I'd recommend running `atop` on both machines during your test to try and see

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> In GNOME, terminals are not children of the window manager, or even of > the session manager. When you ask for a terminal, GNOME sends a letter > to dbus, asking dbus to please make a terminal. Your gnome-terminal > is a child of dbus, and inherits its environment from dbus. Is that how `gnome

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 02:34:19PM +, G.W. Haywood wrote: > -- > On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Go to /etc/nsswitch.conf > > > > If these lines look like this > > > > passwd: compat systemd > > group:

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, Thanks Greg, Dan and Rico for the replies. Keep them coming, I'm afraid we're not out of the woods yet. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 03:11:10PM +, G.W. Haywood wrote: ... Jessie to Stretch to Buster ... Immediately, the users started to complain about performance. Not just a small

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread john doe
On 2/28/2020 3:34 PM, Ted Baker wrote: >> >> You should use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'. >> > > I actually tried `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`, but C.UTF-8 is not even $ DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text dpkg-reconfigure locales Configuring locales --- Locales are a framework to switch betwe

Re: Problem using reportbug for *FIRST* time

2020-02-28 Thread Brian
On Fri 28 Feb 2020 at 04:52:24 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > From the perspective of a first time bug user I'm mildly unhappy with > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting . > It will take significant time to determine IF I can come up with useful and > practical suggestion(s). Time will tell. It

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 09:27:26AM -0500, Ted Baker wrote: > > > > This. Everything you know about Unix? Throw it out the window when > > you're using GNOME. GNOME takes over everything, and makes you do > > it all GNOME's way. You have control of nothing. > > > > hmm. I am trying to understan

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Ted Baker
> > You should use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'. > I actually tried `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`, but C.UTF-8 is not even on the list, so I can only remove en_US.UTF-8 there. Then I did `sudo update-locale LANG=C.UTF-8`. As far as I know, these steps basically modifies /etc/locale.gen, runs loca

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Ted Baker
> > This. Everything you know about Unix? Throw it out the window when > you're using GNOME. GNOME takes over everything, and makes you do > it all GNOME's way. You have control of nothing. > hmm. I am trying to understand what GNOME does under the hood, in this case, if possible. Right now, c

Re: set gnome locales to C.UTF-8

2020-02-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 07:01:31AM +0100, john doe wrote: > On 2/28/2020 6:55 AM, john doe wrote: > > On 2/28/2020 2:07 AM, Ted Baker wrote: > >> I updated /etc/default/locale, LANG=C.UTF-8, then reboot. > >> > > > > You should use 'dpkg-reconfigureĀ locales'. > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Locale

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Dan Ritter
Dan Ritter wrote: > Go to /etc/nsswitch.conf > > If these lines look like this > > passwd: compat systemd > group: compat systemd > shadow: compat systemd > > remove the systemd references. > > If performance improves immensely immediately after the edit, > that was th

sid zfs-dkms + linux-image-amd64 + linux-image-rt-amd64, fails to try to build linux-image-amd64

2020-02-28 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Debian sid, I have ye olde and trustey 4.19 kernel, as well as the packages linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-rt-amd64. When (re)installing zfs-dkms, e.g. on an apt upgrade, first the 4.19 modules are successfully rebuilt, then the 5.4.0-4-rt-amd64 modules exit with an error (I'm guessing zf

Re: Problem using reportbug for *FIRST* time

2020-02-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/28/2020 02:34 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 27 feb 20, 07:30:31, Richard Owlett wrote: When I attempted to send the bug the response was: Connecting to reportbug.debian.org via SMTP... SMTP send failure: (421, b'buxtehude.debian.org: Too much load; please try again later'). Do you wan

Re: System unusably slow after Debian upgrade.

2020-02-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 27 feb 20, 15:11:10, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > Long time Linux user here, very familiar with tools for system > administration but somewhat stumped by the behaviour of a system > installed by me about six years ago at a local farm. It's an old > Intel 'NUC' like this one: > > ht

Re: Problem using reportbug for *FIRST* time

2020-02-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 27 feb 20, 07:30:31, Richard Owlett wrote: > When I attempted to send the bug the response was: > > > Connecting to reportbug.debian.org via SMTP... > > SMTP send failure: (421, b'buxtehude.debian.org: Too much load; please try > > again later'). Do you want to retry (or else save the repor