Re: Installation problem

2019-09-13 Thread john doe
On 9/14/2019 7:36 AM, David Christensen wrote: > On 9/13/19 4:45 PM, Anne wrote: >> Hi, I am new to debian and I can not seem to get the OS installed >> properly. >> >> What I have done so far is to >> >> Make a free space partition of 100GB on drive D and then >> >> 1. download the first DVD of 10

Re: Installation problem

2019-09-13 Thread Joao Emanuel
Hi, first sorry for horrible english, well try to turn off secure boot in bios and try again to install Debian. Or like David suggestion, get virtualbox or enable hyper-v and install in virtual machine. Em sex, 13 de set de 2019 às 19:54, Anne escreveu: > Hi, I am new to debian and I can not see

Re: How to upgrade packages held back?

2019-09-13 Thread David Christensen
On 9/13/19 1:29 PM, D&P Dimov wrote: Thanks David, that took care of it, but I don't understand why it didn't happen when I upgraded from debian 9 to 10, since I used dist-upgrade to upgrade to 10... That's interesting that you do only clean installs, thanks for your tips!Luben On Frida

Re: Installation problem

2019-09-13 Thread David Christensen
On 9/13/19 4:45 PM, Anne wrote: Hi, I am new to debian and I can not seem to get the OS installed properly. What I have done so far is to Make a free space partition of 100GB on drive D and then 1. download the first DVD of 10.1.0 2. used rufus to put it on a thumb drive 3. Booted from the thu

Re: Peculiar terminology for gnupg2 options.

2019-09-13 Thread peter
From: Ansgar Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:33:27 +0200 > The new default is self-sigs-only, the entry explains that one would > need to set "keyserver-options no-self-sigs-only" to revert to the > behavior of older versions of GnuPG. Thanks Ansgar. I should have been more alert when reading.

NVIDIA proprietary driver with linux-rt and Wayland

2019-09-13 Thread Yoann LE BARS
Hello everybody out there! I am using Debian 10: $ cat /etc/debian_version 10.1 I am running the real-time kernel from standard distribution repositories: $ uname -a Linux petra 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 5.2.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-08-25) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Re: Installation problem

2019-09-13 Thread Kent West
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:55 PM Anne wrote: Hi, I am new to debian and I can not seem to get the OS installed properly. What I have done so far is to Make a free space partition of 100GB on drive D and then 1. download the first DVD of 10.1.0 2. used rufus to put it on a thumb drive 3. Booted fr

FFADO-mixer does not load - patch to fix bug

2019-09-13 Thread Yoann LE BARS
Hello everybody out there! I am using Debian 10: $ cat /etc/debian_version 10.1 I am using FFADO-mixer from standard distribution repositories: $ aptitude versions ffado-mixer-qt4 i 2.4.1-0.1 stable 900 I have experimented a b

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
rhkramer writes: > When I used Windows, it was not multiuser. Which version? Win95 was MSDOS with a GUI stuck on with bubblegum. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Workaround for bug #874598 - Ardour: GUI doesn't load

2019-09-13 Thread Yoann LE BARS
Hello everybody out there! I am using Debian 10 : $ cat /etc/debian_version 10.1 I am using Ardour 5 from standard distribution repositories: $ aptitude versions ardour i 1:5.12.0-3stable 900 I have experimented bug #874598, i

RE: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-13 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi David, > Where would you use it? Why not just drop 12-hour times? > I don't think I've ever formatted a 12-hour time on a computer (unless you > want to count the example quoted below). > Yup, pretty much when we "send" time info to some when it is not life foce-to-face using a 12-hour clock

Installation problem

2019-09-13 Thread Anne
Hi, I am new to debian and I can not seem to get the OS installed properly. What I have done so far is to Make a free space partition of 100GB on drive D and then 1. download the first DVD of 10.1.0 2. used rufus to put it on a thumb drive 3. Booted from the thumb drive and selected "graphical

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, September 13, 2019 11:44:25 AM Lee wrote: > On 9/13/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > > When I used Windows I was not a aware of permission issues be they root, > > owner, or group. > > You didn't share that machine? I shared a desktop PC with a middle > schooler that I didn't want acting a

Re: attempted install of buster arm64 net-install on rp4 fails instantly

2019-09-13 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > Keep me posted please. Assembled today and dd raspbian to the sd card. All worked fine. I am under pressure now, so I don't know when I can try the NFS root and debian. >From the experience with RPi2 it is much easier to do nfs when testing. But in general it is very nice p

Re: buster netinst timezone

2019-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:41:24AM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Fri 13 Sep 2019 at 08:35:51 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: I'm saying that /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime should be consistent and valid, in which case they both do the same thing. There isn't one that uses "the actual rules and n

Re: How to upgrade packages held back?

2019-09-13 Thread David Christensen
On 9/13/19 12:49 PM, D&P Dimov wrote: I upgraded to Debian 10, but 750 or so packages were held back. I read that i can try running apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade, which I did, but I still have 278 that are held back (listed below). Tried apt-get install , but they are still held back. How do

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Do you have any problem with my statement: >> Today Linux is being used by an individual who is the _only_ >> user of a standalone system (e.g. laptop). Permission issues >> are much more intuitive in the Unix world than for a single >> user/owner of a laptop. I do: "Linux" is many different thi

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> And the only solution to Zeno's Paradox that I've been able to identify > relies on the notion that space and time are not infinitely > subdivisible. Really? I thought the solution is that while the distance is divided at each step, the time between each step is also divided, so you end up perf

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> >> It seems intuitively obvious to me that between 11:59 Ante-Meridiem and >> >> 12:01 Post-Meridiem must lie 12:00 Meridiem. (Though 12:00:01 - one >> >> second later - would be Post-Meridiem again.) In my interpretation of this part of the world, it's never exactly noon nor exactly midnight:

Re: Peculiar terminology for gnupg2 options.

2019-09-13 Thread Ansgar
Hi, pe...@easthope.ca writes: > A current update gives this note. > "gnupg2 (2.2.12-1+deb10u1) buster; urgency=medium > ... default to self-sigs-only. > ... > keyserver-options no-self-sigs-only" > > If the default is self-sigs-only why is the option set to no-self-sigs-only? The new defa

Re: Is Linux a single-user system ? was: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -"

2019-09-13 Thread Intense Red
> What about the really big iron ? The heck with mainframes. Back in the 1990s I had PC-based Debian boxes with users working on dumb terminals hooked up to the PC via serial cables. That certainly seemed "multi-user" to us and it didn't require big iron. -- "There’s class warfare, all

Peculiar terminology for gnupg2 options.

2019-09-13 Thread peter
Hi, A current update gives this note. "gnupg2 (2.2.12-1+deb10u1) buster; urgency=medium ... default to self-sigs-only. ... keyserver-options no-self-sigs-only" If the default is self-sigs-only why is the option set to no-self-sigs-only? Also, self-sigs-only might be called no-univ

Re: Is Linux a single-user system ? was: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -"

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett wrote: > Do you have any problem with my statement: Today Linux is being used > by an individual who is the _only_ user of a standalone system > (e.g. laptop). The natural person hammering on the keyboard is not the only "user". Daemons are users too, and permissions are the pentagr

Re: Is Linux a single-user system ? was: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -"

2019-09-13 Thread Thomas D Dial
On Fri, 2019-09-13 at 16:56 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > Do you have any problem with my statement: > > > Today Linux is being used by an individual who is the _only_ > > > user of a standalone system (e.g. laptop). > > What about the really big iron ? > "Lin

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-13 at 12:05, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:44:42AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> But time is continuous. > > Maybe. Quantum mechanics still holds some secrets we haven't > learned. And the only solution to Zeno's Paradox that I've been able to identify relies o

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-09-13 at 11:50, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 23:14:52 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2019-09-12 at 21:49, David Wright wrote: >>> I don't see a need for a one-letter abbreviation for midnight, nor the >>> wisdom in introducing one that's already used in the same conte

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:44:42AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > But time is continuous. Maybe. Quantum mechanics still holds some secrets we haven't learned.

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-13 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 23:14:52 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-09-12 at 21:49, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 12:42:01 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2019-09-12 at 12:03, David Wright wrote: > > >>> It might be ambiguous if m were also an abbreviation for midnight, > >>

Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster

2019-09-13 Thread David Wright
On Thu 12 Sep 2019 at 22:16:45 (-0500), John Hasler wrote: > David Wright writes: > > Odd that they decided to employ that logic in the 21st century after > > (most) clocks had ceased to tick. > > All clocks tick. "Tick" no longer means "emit a noise once per second" > in modern chronometry. Th

Re: buster netinst timezone

2019-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:41:24AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 13 Sep 2019 at 08:35:51 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > > I'm saying that /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime should be consistent > > and valid, in which case they both do the same thing. > Perhaps we'll just have to beg to diffe

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Lee
On 9/13/19, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/13/2019 03:30 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> [snip] >> >> I have it working now after using the su - thing, well it wasn't a copy >> / paste issue here but you do raise a good point there. >> >> Thanks to everyone for their help, would be good to figure out w

Re: buster netinst timezone

2019-09-13 Thread David Wright
On Fri 13 Sep 2019 at 08:35:51 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 08:32:56PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 14:08:47 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:25:32PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Mon 12 Aug 2019 at 08:38:47 (-

Re: Is Linux a single-user system ? was: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -"

2019-09-13 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: > Do you have any problem with my statement: > > Today Linux is being used by an individual who is the _only_ > > user of a standalone system (e.g. laptop). What about the really big iron ? "Linux Runs on All of the Top 500 Supercomputers, Again!" (June 2019) https

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2019 09:29 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Unix was a response to the needs of a large data center with possibly thousands of users. No it wasn't. Unix was a response to Multics, which *was* aimed at systems with thousands of users. If you want to see a truly complex

Re: When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > Unix was a response to the needs of a large data center with possibly > thousands of users. No it wasn't. Unix was a response to Multics, which *was* aimed at systems with thousands of users. If you want to see a truly complex system of permissions and access controls lo

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-13, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > And certainly many more, but that's all I could find in a minute or so > with Google. The problem is, most of the relevant threads have unrelated > Subject headers, like "rocks n diamonds". Which is not the OP's fault -- > it's just the way it ends up work

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:44:55 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: Hello Greg, >The problem is, most of the relevant threads have unrelated >Subject headers, like "rocks n diamonds". Which is not the OP's fault Good point, well made. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is

Re: 24-hour vs. 12-hour time, ambiguity, and abbreviations (was Re: Default date output format changed after an upgrade to buster)

2019-09-13 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: >Why do people abbreviate "AM" and "PM" when speaking out loud? They don't know what AM and PM are abbreviations of. They think of AM and PM as words. But I'm referring to abreviations for "noon" and "midnight", which take less time to say than "12 PM" and "12 AM", or even "

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 09:45:41AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:30:46 +0100 > 'su' inherits the current environment ($PATH, etc.) > > 'su -' creates a new environment (based on user you're su-ing to [not > always root]) > > This is a change from previous behaviour (obviously

Re: buster netinst timezone

2019-09-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Sep 01, 2019 at 08:32:56PM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Wed 28 Aug 2019 at 14:08:47 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 12:25:32PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Aug 2019 at 08:38:47 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The first one is the /etc/timezone file, whi

When/how/why to use "sudo", "su" or "su -" -- was [Re: rocks n diamonds]

2019-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2019 03:30 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: [snip] I have it working now after using the su - thing, well it wasn't a copy / paste issue here but you do raise a good point there. Thanks to everyone for their help, would be good to figure out why things like this happen. If I put my average us

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:30:46 +0100 Paul Sutton wrote: Hello Paul, >Thanks to everyone for their help, would be good to figure out why >things like this happen. 'su' inherits the current environment ($PATH, etc.) 'su -' creates a new environment (based on user you're su-ing to [not always roo

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Sutton
On 13/09/2019 09:25, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-09-13 09:27:58) >> Hi >> >> Just tried to run the rocksndiamonds games >> entering this at the command line gives. >> Run `dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds' as root >> to install/update game levels. > > What is the output o

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-09-13 09:27:58) > Hi > > Just tried to run the rocksndiamonds games > entering this at the command line gives. > Run `dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds' as root > to install/update game levels. What is the output of this command?: apt list rocksndiamonds > Once I have

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Curt
On 2019-09-13, Paul Sutton wrote: > > Once I have run su to get to root I try and run > > dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds > and get > bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found > > can anyone suggest what is wrong please, I can only guess you've done a 'su' rather than 'su -' in becoming root. >

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:27:58 +0100 Paul Sutton wrote: Hello Paul, >can anyone suggest what is wrong please, Yes: you need to 'su -', not 'su' -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Life goes quick and it goes withou

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Sutton
On 13/09/2019 08:40, Alberto Luaces wrote: > Alberto Luaces writes: > >> Paul Sutton writes: >> >>> dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds >> >> Can you add "sudo" or become root for that? I am running the above as su (root) I don't want to spend hours faffing around and struggling to set up sudo. >

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Alberto Luaces
Alberto Luaces writes: > Paul Sutton writes: > >> dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds > > Can you add "sudo" or become root for that? Well, and also check the installation of the debconf package? -- Alberto

Re: rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Alberto Luaces
Paul Sutton writes: > dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds Can you add "sudo" or become root for that? -- Alberto

rocks n diamonds

2019-09-13 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi Just tried to run the rocksndiamonds games entering this at the command line gives. Run `dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds' as root to install/update game levels. Once I have run su to get to root I try and run dpkg-reconfigure rocksndiamonds and get bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found c

Re: Display resolution 3840x2160@24rb stopped working after Upgrade from Stretch to Buster

2019-09-13 Thread Jan Michael Greiner
Thanks to everybody, for all the hints. I think the way to search in, is to create an edid file and load it at boot. I searched in this direction before, I just abandoned that way because it did not work. Now the question I have is: How to create that edid file. The tool I found creates a file i