Re: pthread_mutex_init man page

2019-01-06 Thread Urs Thuermann
Riccardo Paolo Bestetti writes: > In Debian 9, the > $ man pthread_mutex_init > command results in: > No manual entry for pthread_mutex_init. > > Other pthread man pages (such as pthread_create, pthread_join, ...) are > available. > > The "manpages-posix-dev" non-free package is available to i

Re: it's very foolish to force user to install security update

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 03:42:03 (+), Long Wind wrote: > On Saturday, January 5, 2019 11:15 AM, David Wright > wrote: > > On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 03:01:49 (+), Long Wind wrote: > > > i'm waiting jessie installer to download kernel from security.debian.org, > > > file size is 34.1M, it may t

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 22:18:52 (-0500), Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Felix Miata wrote: > > Kenneth Parker composed on 2019-01-05 09:33 (UTC-0500): > > ... > > > Looks like SystemD may *NOT* be spawning the 6 Text Login Screens, > > like > > > the SysV Init Package did

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 21:32:10 (-0500), Kenneth Parker wrote: > Here's more information: > > I gave myself a "text-only" system, via the command: "systemctl > set-default multi-user.target" > > Using two Virtual Text consoles: /dev/tty3 (alt-f3), and /dev/tty4 > (alt-f4). In view of your earli

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Kenneth Parker composed on 2019-01-05 09:33 (UTC-0500): > ... > > Looks like SystemD may *NOT* be spawning the 6 Text Login Screens, > like > > the SysV Init Package did? > > > What gives? > > On demand gettys are a systemd [mis]feature. I do

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-06 Thread John Crawley
On 06/01/2019 00.26, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:21:30 PM David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02:27 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Having babbled for the last two paragraphs, I'll close buy saying that I will revert to the entire installation on the sa

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread Kenneth Parker
Here's more information: I gave myself a "text-only" system, via the command: "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" Using two Virtual Text consoles: /dev/tty3 (alt-f3), and /dev/tty4 (alt-f4). alt-f3 does the command I wish to continue running ("play", but could be compiling a Linux Kernel

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 00:57:15 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2019-01-05 23:43 (UTC-0600): > > > On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 14:04:19 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> On demand gettys are a systemd [mis]feature. I don't like waiting on them > >> either. > > > What do you mea

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 11:28:55 David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: >

Re: long page screenshots (was: Why choose Debian on server)

2019-01-06 Thread Felix Miata
Curt composed on 2019-01-06 18:53 (UTC): > Brian wrote: >> What is your version of FF? (Help/About Firefox). > I found it. Tools --> Web Developer --> Toggle Tools (checked) > In the console > :screenshot foo --fullpage > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Web_Console/Helpers >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 16:53:03 (+), Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:28:55 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > > Maybe he would like to use SHIFT+F2 with Firefox (I have Qu

Bug regarding audio in "stable" branch

2019-01-06 Thread Jul'
Hello, Sorry to disturb you, but I have a problem regarding audio on Debian 9 stable : - after booting and login in, the default source is not chosen ; therefore no sound is transmitted to the output (you can select again a proper audio source with the GNOME Sound GUI and it will work again aft

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.01.19 21:29, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > rd@home:~$ traceroute6 2a03:4000:6:52b6:: > traceroute to 2a03:4000:6:52b6:: (2a03:4000:6:52b6::), 30 hops max, 80 byte > packets > 1 fritz.box (2a02:8070:898f:e400:e228:6dff:fe43:5776) 0.723 ms 0.608 ms > 0.710 ms > 2 2a02:8070:8900::1 (2a02:8070

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
> > Things are getting weirder now... :-/ Just looking at the differences between the traceroutes from home (stretch router) and mohot (endpoint): rd@home:~$ traceroute6 2a03:4000:6:52b6:: traceroute to 2a03:4000:6:52b6:: (2a03:4000:6:52b6::), 30 hops max, 80 byte packets 1 fritz.box (2a02:8

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi Pascal, Ulf, and Georgi, many thanks for your replies, they brought me at least one step further :-) Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 20:54:43 CET schrieb Ulf Volmer: > On 06.01.19 20:47, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > does not do automatic stuff. But after a reboot I still get > > > > root@mohot:~# ip

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.01.19 20:47, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > does not do automatic stuff. But after a reboot I still get > > root@mohot:~# ip -6 a show eth0 > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 state UP qlen 1000 > inet6 2a02:8070:898f:e400:d263:b4ff:fe00:4dd1/64 scope global dynamic > mngtmpaddr >valid_lft 7126sec p

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 18:53:55 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > > > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Oops. > >> >>

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.01.19 20:33, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 06/01/2019 à 20:23, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : >> Isn't the /64 the prefix length and longer prefixes than 64 are not >> supported in >> ipv6? > > IPv6 supports any prefix size. Only SLAAC (autoconfiguration using RA's) > requires /64. Usually he will g

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 20:29:27 CET schrieb Pascal Hambourg: > You should start with a fully static setup on the host, fix routing, and > when done you can try to setup SLAAC/DHCPv6. I agree. I thought that iface eth0 inet6 manual does not do automatic stuff. But after a reboot I still get

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 20:23, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 19:49:13 CET schrieb Pascal Hambourg: BTW, I am a bit surprised by the upstream setup. It wastes a full /64 just for one address. Do yo mean the 2a02:8070:898f:e400:d263:b4ff:fe00:325c/64 in Yes. Isn't the /64 the

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 1/6/19 9:23 PM, Rainer Dorsch wrot> Isn't the /64 the prefix length and longer prefixes than 64 are not supported in > ipv6? > For IPv6 there are two methods for IP address distribution - Router Advertisement and DHCPv6. Router Advertisement doesn't support prefixes longer than /64. On the o

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 19:59, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 19:32:46 CET schrieb Ulf Volmer: I'm confused that you have uplink and downlink addresses configured on the client. Anyway, can you also post 'ip -6 r' from the client? I have not explicitly configured the addresses, b

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 19:49:13 CET schrieb Pascal Hambourg: > Le 06/01/2019 à 19:32, Ulf Volmer a écrit : > > On 06.01.19 18:36, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > >> inet6 2a02:8070:898f:e400:d263:b4ff:fe00:4dd1/64 scope global dynamic > >> mngtmpaddr>> > >>valid_lft 7030sec preferr

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi Pascal, Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 19:41:51 CET schrieb Pascal Hambourg: > Le 06/01/2019 à 18:36, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : > > ISP router -> Stretch router (home) -> Endpoint (mohot) > > > > I can ssh from the mohot to home (ssh > > 2a02:8070:898f:e4f8:d263:b4ff:fe00:325c) and I can ssh from t

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi Ulf, Am Sonntag, 6. Januar 2019, 19:32:46 CET schrieb Ulf Volmer: > On 06.01.19 18:36, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > Endpoint: > > - > > rd@mohot:~$ ip addr show dev eth0 > > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state > > UP group default qlen 1000 > > > >link/ether d0:63:b4:00:4d:d1 brd

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Oops. >> >> >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer T

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 19:32, Ulf Volmer a écrit : On 06.01.19 18:36, Rainer Dorsch wrote: inet6 2a02:8070:898f:e400:d263:b4ff:fe00:4dd1/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr valid_lft 7030sec preferred_lft 3430sec inet6 2a02:8070:898f:e4f8:d263:b4ff:fe00:4dd1/64 scope global dynamic mngt

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Oops. >> >> >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer T

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 18:36, Rainer Dorsch a écrit : ISP router -> Stretch router (home) -> Endpoint (mohot) I can ssh from the mohot to home (ssh 2a02:8070:898f:e4f8:d263:b4ff:fe00:325c) and I can ssh from the home to the internet (using IPv6), but I cannot ssh from the mohot (endpoint) to the inter

Re: IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 06.01.19 18:36, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Endpoint: > - > rd@mohot:~$ ip addr show dev eth0 > 2: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP > group default qlen 1000 >link/ether d0:63:b4:00:4d:d1 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff >inet 192.168.7.31/24 brd 192.168.7.255 scope global eth0 >

Re: kernel regression from stable to testing (acpi lid / EEEpc 1215p)

2019-01-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 04/01/19 20:11, Andrea Borgia ha scritto: What's the best way to handle this? IMHO it's quite likely a kernel issue, most likely upstream. Should I file a bug on linux-image-amd64 or directly on bugzilla.kernel.org? No comments? Meanwhile, I've been testing the kernels archived on snaps

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:47:16 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> > > >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. > >> > > >> > >> Oops. > >> > >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer Toolbar > >> item). > > > > There is her

IPv6 router is not forwarding packets

2019-01-06 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hello, I tried to configure a stretch based IPv6 router. My setup is: ISP router -> Stretch router (home) -> Endpoint (mohot) I can ssh from the mohot to home (ssh 2a02:8070:898f:e4f8:d263:b4ff:fe00:325c) and I can ssh from the home to the internet (using IPv6), but I cannot ssh from the moho

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > > > > screenshot filename.png --fullpage > Humm: > gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$ sudo apt-get install screenshot > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > E: Unable to loc

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> > >> > Very awkward, I would say. Which is why it wasn't recommended. >> > >> >> Oops. >> >> Still, Tools --> Web Devloper --> (but there ain't no Developer Toolbar >> item). > > There is here (60.4.0esr). Inbetween "Storage Inspector" and "webIDE". > In any case,

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:33:56 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > > > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the > >> >> control of the window manager, so t

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread deloptes
Curt wrote: > I have no different opinion (I don't think). I know nothing about > stackexchange. I am indifferent to stackexchange. However, if you want > to print that full thread on stackexchange, like *Gene wanted to print > that full thread*, and your horse is so high you won't open Chromium t

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the >> >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite >> >> different for other user

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 17:05:19 +, Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > >> > >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the > >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite > >> different for other users. > > > > No. FF uses SHIFT+F2. > >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 06 January 2019 11:28:55 David Wright wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > > Curt wrote: > > > > > I suppose you could argue that the perc

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: >> >> I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the >> control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite >> different for other users. > > No. FF uses SHIFT+F2. > It doesn't seem to here (on latest stable Quantum). Left-click th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:28:55 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > > > Strictly speaking, the problem does not arise due a

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread David Wright
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > > Curt wrote: > > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > > > lazy or bewildered to try anot

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: [...] > > Strictly speaking, the problem does not arise due a problem in the > > printing system. Firefox produces a PDF before dispatching it for > > printing and that PDF is not a true r

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > > Curt wrote: > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > > lazy or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for > > > stackexchange, because, goddammi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Brian wrote: > > Whether the issue is tackled by Firefox or at the stackexchange end > is immaterial; this will take time. Meanwhile, there is an elderly > user who had hoped to read and absorb the material today while eating > his free lunch. > My moral and informatical standards

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 06 January 2019 08:42:08 deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too > > lazy or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for > > stackexchange, because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I am not l

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > >> I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy >> or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, >> because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Brian
On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote: > Curt wrote: > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy > > or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, > > because, goddammit, you take what you can get. > > Please be nice - I a

Re: /dev/disk/by-id/ in testing

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 14:35, songbird a écrit : i don't mount by ids, i mount by labels, but in looking at the doc for lilo.conf i see that it should also be possible to use UUIDs too. No, UUIDs and LABELs cannot be used to specify a whole partitioned disk as the boot device because they are fil

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 06 January 2019 07:40:44 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-06, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> > > I can confirm the 1 page Firefox printing snafu for the > >> > > stackexchange thread on the most recent stable Quantum. I can > >> > > also confirm that it is a *very* longstanding bug and that > >> > >

Re: /dev/disk/by-id/ in testing

2019-01-06 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 06/01/2019 à 14:35, songbird a écrit : Johan en Katrien Dewaele wrote: my weekly upgrade on testing failed yesterday as,=C2=A0 after an initrd.img= was generated, lilo could not run successfully. i can't help with lilo, haven't used that in ages... This issue is not specific to lilo

Re: digikam: does it make sense to report a bug already fixed upstream but not in debian?

2019-01-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Il 06/01/19 12:41, Étienne Mollier ha scritto: Since you can reproduce the bug in Debian, I guess it is worth a report, with a mention to the upstream bug page and, if possible the patch fixing it. Put information necessary to the context, but no need to copy the entire thread on KDE bug track

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread deloptes
Curt wrote: > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users too lazy > or bewildered to try another browser is good enough for stackexchange, > because, goddammit, you take what you can get. Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium, but I do not want to use it. I like FF

Re: /dev/disk/by-id/ in testing

2019-01-06 Thread songbird
Johan en Katrien Dewaele wrote: > Hi, > > my weekly upgrade on testing failed yesterday as,=C2=A0 after an initrd.img= > was generated, lilo could not run successfully. hi, i can't help with lilo, haven't used that in ages... i don't mount by ids, i mount by labels, but in looking at the d

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-06, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > > >> > > I can confirm the 1 page Firefox printing snafu for the >> > > stackexchange thread on the most recent stable Quantum. I can also >> > > confirm that it is a *very* longstanding bug and that snafu is >> > > indeed the proper acronymic term. >> > > >

Re: digikam: does it make sense to report a bug already fixed upstream but not in debian?

2019-01-06 Thread Étienne Mollier
On 1/6/19 12:26 PM, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi. > > Case in point: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395875 > > There is no corresponding bugreport for the Debian package; had I not found > the upstream bug, I would have filed a report with nearly the same > information, since my tests match

digikam: does it make sense to report a bug already fixed upstream but not in debian?

2019-01-06 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. Case in point: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395875 There is no corresponding bugreport for the Debian package; had I not found the upstream bug, I would have filed a report with nearly the same information, since my tests match the issue perfectly. Question is, for tracking purpo

Re: Multitasking, through Multiple Text Windows

2019-01-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-05, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > The reason I am bringing this up now, is that I tried this on Stretch, with > no Graphical Environment, only to have the Music (playing, through the play > command /dev/tty3) *STOP* *COLD* when I used alt-F4 to switch > perspective (say, to /dev/tty4!)