Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, February 03, 2018 06:14:11 PM Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 09:43:33PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > I am trying to suggest one would want to move faster than the approximate > > cycle time of new stable releases here. > > You have been repeatedly told

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 3 February 2018 at 23:14, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 09:43:33PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > I am trying to suggest one would want to move faster than the approximate > > cycle time of new stable releases here. > > You have been repeatedly told that the upda

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 09:43:33PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > I am trying to suggest one would want to move faster than the approximate > cycle time of new stable releases here. You have been repeatedly told that the updates will appear as security updates in Debian stable when the

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 3 February 2018 at 17:24, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 03 Feb 2018 at 10:37:34 (-0500), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > On 2/3/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:47:43 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > > >> On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > > >> > D

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 3 February 2018 at 21:43, Michael Fothergill < michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 3 February 2018 at 17:12, David Wright > wrote: > >> On Sat 03 Feb 2018 at 07:47:43 (+), Michael Fothergill wrote: >> > On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > >>

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 3 February 2018 at 17:12, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 03 Feb 2018 at 07:47:43 (+), Michael Fothergill wrote: > > On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 11:53:36AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > > Thus for anyone in the

(Not exactly on target) Abandoning the Firefox password manager

2018-02-03 Thread Curt
For those locked into the Firefox password manager (with--and maybe even without--master password) who wish to escape (maybe I'm the only one), there is a liberating python script here: https://github.com/unode/firefox_decrypt (Maybe I'm the only one again, but I'll be damned if I knew how to dow

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread David Wright
On Sat 03 Feb 2018 at 10:37:34 (-0500), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 2/3/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:47:43 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > >> On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > >> > Debian > >> > already has a place to test the latest and great

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread David Wright
On Sat 03 Feb 2018 at 07:47:43 (+), Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 11:53:36AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > Thus for anyone in the entire world who is new to linux,the most > > > efficient route

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 3 February 2018 at 15:37, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 2/3/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:47:43 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > >> On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > >> > Debian > >> > already has a place to test the latest and greatest (and

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 2/3/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:47:43 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: >> On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: >> > Debian >> > already has a place to test the latest and greatest (and most >> > broken) versions of packages and it is not the stable r

Re: systemd 237-1: problem starting dnsmasq

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 10:01:01AM +0100, deloptes wrote: Michael Stone wrote: I've had far fewer issues with systemd than I did before systemd. Now that our anecdotes have canceled each other out, could you please refrain from irrelevant systemd complaining in the future? this is a bit arrog

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, February 03, 2018 02:47:43 AM Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > > Debian > > already has a place to test the latest and greatest (and most > > broken) versions of packages and it is not the stable release that > > new users are directed at. >

Re: systemd 237-1: problem starting dnsmasq

2018-02-03 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Please, don't kindle that flames. We all know by now which > preferences we have. Don't try to frame it as an "us vs them" > issue. That's more or less what I tried to tell Michael as > well, I hope I succeeded a bit. surely not. we've had enough discussion on the topic

Re: Got tired of waiting for suspend/resume (something like that)

2018-02-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 02/02/2018 à 10:28, Curt a écrit : Maybe an encrypted swap is overkill in a home alone machine; I am now idly wondering whether there exists any documented (and successful) remote unencrypted swap attacks. Why "remote" ? AFAIK, disk encryption is against physical attacks, not remote attack

Re: systemd 237-1: problem starting dnsmasq

2018-02-03 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 10:01:01AM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > > > I've had far fewer issues with systemd than I did before systemd. Now > > that our anecdotes have canceled each other out, could you please > > refrain from irrelev

Re: systemd 237-1: problem starting dnsmasq

2018-02-03 Thread deloptes
Michael Stone wrote: > I've had far fewer issues with systemd than I did before systemd. Now > that our anecdotes have canceled each other out, could you please > refrain from irrelevant systemd complaining in the future? this is a bit arrogant as I did not complain, but asked a question on a pos

Re: systemd 237-1: problem starting dnsmasq

2018-02-03 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 10:30:11PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 11:06:28PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > >just a question if you are not using notebooks or even workstations, why > >would you need systemd? > > because it generally

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-03 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 2 February 2018 at 04:35, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 11:53:36AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > Thus for anyone in the entire world who is new to linux,the most > > efficient route at present could well be to install Fedora and be > > stable and spectre protect