Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 03:03:38AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:04:09AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote: > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 + > > > Andy Smith wrote: > > > > > > Also, my use case is

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread David Christensen
On 08/11/17 04:57, John Ratliff wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 05:13:55PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: Time Settings Timezone PST8PDT Appearance Layout Digital Tooltip format Wednesday 09 August 2017 Clock Options Format

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread David Christensen
On 08/10/17 06:52, Charlie Kravetz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 22:48:37 -0700 David Christensen wrote: On 08/09/17 21:47, Charlie Kravetz wrote: It almost sounds like the panel is too long for the monitor. The clock is disappearing off the end o

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread David Christensen
On 08/10/17 11:51, Ralph Katz wrote: On 08/09/2017 06:13 PM, David Christensen wrote: debian-user: I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop with an Intel Core Duo T7400 CPU, 2 GB RAM, 16 GB SSD, and a fresh install of debian-9.1.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso, with all updates and upgrades as of now: 2017-

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread David Christensen
On 08/11/17 03:39, Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 05:13:55PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: Time Settings Timezone PST8PDT Appearance Layout Digital Tooltip format Wednesday 09 August 2017 Clock Options Format 0

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Jape Person
On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote: Hello, On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote: After this upgrade thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1) Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely use

Re: How to Troubleshoot Xen VM Failure 1stpvguest

2017-08-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Ray, On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 06:52:21PM -0700, ray wrote: > on Debian 9 with latest Xen on a laptop, I tried to build a pv guest. I > would like to understand how to determine what the failure was. > > *** This is how the image was created: > # xen-create-image --hostname=1stpvguest --vcpus

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:04:09AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 + > > Andy Smith wrote: > > > > Also, my use case is at home where the power can and *does* fail. I also > > find myself using t

How to Troubleshoot Xen VM Failure 1stpvguest

2017-08-11 Thread ray
on Debian 9 with latest Xen on a laptop, I tried to build a pv guest. I would like to understand how to determine what the failure was. *** This is how the image was created: # xen-create-image --hostname=1stpvguest --vcpus=2 --dhcp --pygrub --dist stretch # xl create /etc/xen/1stpvguest.cfg P

How to keep Debian Linux patched with latest security updates automatically

2017-08-11 Thread Herb Garcia
I found this article on Linux Today. I know a few of us have asked questions about this maybe this might clear up a few of them. http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/how-to-keep-debian-linux-patched-with-latest-security-updates-automatically-170808131008.html I hope this helps -HP Garcia

Re: Big problem computer not booting

2017-08-11 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 08/11/2017 01:45 AM, Fungi4All wrote: From: field.engin...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 08/10/2017 12:00 PM, kelsang sherab wrote: I run Debian stretch on MacBook Air I did a restore backup from previous system[debian Jessie ] I don"t know, but maybe I can help with

Re: usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread Doug
On 08/11/2017 05:11 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 02:25:01PM -0500, Doug wrote: On 08/11/2017 01:46 PM, ju...@tutanota.com wrote: There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. I am no

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 August 2017 14:53:01 Doug wrote: > On 08/11/2017 10:12 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running > >>> linu

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Javier Barroso
Hello, On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: > Sven Joachim wrote: >> On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote: > >>> After this upgrade >>> >>> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1) >>> >>> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because >>> portions of

Re: usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 02:25:01PM -0500, Doug wrote: > > On 08/11/2017 01:46 PM, ju...@tutanota.com wrote: > > There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC > > > > how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? > > > > -- > > Securely sent with Tutanota. > > I am not being a wis

Re: usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread Dan Ritter
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 08:46:08PM +0200, ju...@tutanota.com wrote: > There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC > > how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? Doesn't matter for that -- your usb key, SD or similar external removable storage will be the cheapest thing that the

Re: Help with USB audio card

2017-08-11 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Rodolfo Medina writes: > Curt writes: > >> On 2017-08-07, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >>> >>> Besides, I ran alsamixer, selected the USB card and unmuted everything. >>> But then, when I try to record, no sound is recorded. I do: >>> >> >> This makes no sense BTW. Unmuted everything? You're *recordi

Re: module not loading on startup

2017-08-11 Thread Gary Dale
On 11/08/17 03:39 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 11/08/2017 à 08:32, Gary Dale a écrit : I eventually tracked the problem down to a UDEV persistent rule (now deleted) and also the need to modify /etc/network/interfaces to use the name the name of the new NIC (enp5s0 instead of eth0 - since it

what should I do if I want to adopt one orphaned package?

2017-08-11 Thread 慕 冬亮
Dear all, I want to adopt one package - Bochs [bochs: IA-32 PC emulator (package info)] which is orphaned since 2011 days. And the current version in sid is 2.6-5. The official website shows that the latest version o

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote: >> After this upgrade >> >> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1) >> >> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because >> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the >> window is res

Re: module not loading on startup

2017-08-11 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 11/08/2017 à 08:32, Gary Dale a écrit : I eventually tracked the problem down to a UDEV persistent rule (now deleted) and also the need to modify /etc/network/interfaces to use the name the name of the new NIC (enp5s0 instead of eth0 - since it wasn't carried over in the upgrade from Jessi

Re: usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread Doug
On 08/11/2017 01:46 PM, ju...@tutanota.com wrote: There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? -- Securely sent with Tutanota. I am not being a wiseguy. What is the difference, and why does it matter? --doug

Re: usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
ju...@tutanota.com wrote: > There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC > how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? Break open, find flash chip, type part number into google. Non-destructive? No way. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2017-08-11, Gene Heskett wrote: (...) > First off, I have some scripts that greatly simplify things for me, and > which depends on dbus, which I read is deprecated, so what replaces it? Dbus is still around in stretch, and has many dependent packages. I don't think it's going anywhere soon.

usb flash drives / sd

2017-08-11 Thread jumpy
There are three major types of flash chip types : SLC - MLC - TLC how-to check my usbkey/sd/memory card ? -- Securely sent with Tutanota.

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Doug
On 08/11/2017 10:12 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running linuxcnc to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime

change to postfix from backports

2017-08-11 Thread mj
Hi, Quick question: I have a wheezy system (yes, we will upgrade) that needs a more recent postfix. Postfix 2.11 is in backports, and I would like to upgrade to that. We are using dovecot from the regular repo, and posfix authenticated to dovecot via sasl. Is it safe to upgrade from standa

Re: delay the start of a service until LACP negotiation is complete

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
John Ratliff wrote: > >> Do you really need STP? Do you really need STP on that group of >> ports? Why not disable it completely. > I'm not aware of any way to disable spanning tree on a per port basis, > and no, I cannot disable it on the switch entirely. Ah, Cisco. Yes, they don't do that,

Re: delay the start of a service until LACP negotiation is complete

2017-08-11 Thread John Ratliff
> Do you really need STP? Do you really need STP on that group of ports? > Why not disable it completely. I'm not aware of any way to disable spanning tree on a per port basis, and no, I cannot disable it on the switch entirely. > > I have the same, but the systemd.unit restarts conntrackd autom

Re: customizing systemd config

2017-08-11 Thread Christian Seiler
Hi there, On 08/11/2017 04:42 AM, Gregory Seidman wrote: > I'm trying to recreate under systemd something I had previously cobbled > together with shell scripts and init levels under sysvinit. > > Only a few services ran under init 2, the default set in /etc/inittab, > including privoxy and ssh;

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Christian Seiler
Hi there, On 08/11/2017 06:29 PM, Dejan Jocic wrote: > On 11-08-17, Christian Seiler wrote: >> You can also set DefaultTimeoutStopSec= in /etc/systemd/system.conf >> to alter the default for all units (though individual settings for >> units will still override that). >> > Thank you for suggestion

Re: Help with USB audio card

2017-08-11 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/10/2017 09:06 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Curt writes: On 2017-08-07, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Besides, I ran alsamixer, selected the USB card and unmuted everything. But then, when I try to record, no sound is recorded. I do: This makes no sense BTW. Unmuted everything? You're *recor

Re: delay the start of a service until LACP negotiation is complete

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
John Ratliff wrote: > >> John Ratliff wrote: >>> I have a 4 port LAGG (LACP / bond-mode 4) interface named bond0. It >>> seems to take about 45 seconds after the links come up to negotiate >>> with the switch. >> This long delay is not normal. For me LACP-based bonds never take >> longer than

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 11-08-17, Christian Seiler wrote: > Am 2017-08-10 16:02, schrieb Dejan Jocic: > > On 10-08-17, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 10 Aug 2017 at 07:04:09 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 + >

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 2017-08-10 16:02, schrieb Dejan Jocic: On 10-08-17, David Wright wrote: On Thu 10 Aug 2017 at 07:04:09 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 + > > Andy Smith wrote: > > > > Also, my use case is at home

Error! Bad dkms.conf file after apt-get upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Larry Dighera
Hello all, After running 'apt-get install upgrade' the system reported the data below. How can I overcome this issue?  Is it just a matter of loading a proper dkms.conf file, perhaps from another Stretch installation, or is there an official dkms.conf file that I can download somewhere, or is i

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 August 2017 10:54:22 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running > > linuxcnc to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime > > support so that when a machine need

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:48:59AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I have a 5 or 6 machine home network, most of which are running linuxcnc > to carve wood or metal. Linuxcnc, generally needs realtime support so > that when a machine needs direction as to what to do next, linuxcnc has > at the most

Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

2017-08-11 Thread Gary Dale
On 10/08/17 09:44 AM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 10 Aug 2017 at 07:04:09 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 + Andy Smith wrote: Also, my use case is at home where the power can and *does* fail. I also find

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 11 August 2017 01:45:03 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > Le 11/08/2017 à 07:38, Gene Heskett a écrit : > > On Thursday 10 August 2017 14:48:52 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am not sure I understand your mail in details. What I can say is > >> that we tried building agai

Re: If you only knew how tired I am of loneliness Barbara

2017-08-11 Thread gerald dunbar
Why On Aug 8, 2017 4:07 PM, "Barbara Staninska" wrote: > > > Do you want to be my lodestar tonight? http://bitly.com/2umI7zi >

Re: debian 9.1 dpkg error when installing xemacs and erlang

2017-08-11 Thread Rémy Noulin
Hi Mark, After running: apt-get install emacs25-el I get another error: While compiling erlang-edoc-xml-context in file /usr/share/xemacs21/site-lisp/erlang/erlang-edoc.el: !! File error (("Cannot open load file" "xmltok")) According to apt-file, xmltok is in emacs25-el and should be already i

Re: Why debian put ~/bin beginning of $PATH

2017-08-11 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙)
> Why put ~/bin beginning ? 2 weeks ago, i installed new Ruby. At that time it was proper to me. By the Debian rule, users can test new program. Yes i think in positive. Sincerely, -- ^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: delay the start of a service until LACP negotiation is complete

2017-08-11 Thread John Ratliff
> John Ratliff wrote: > >> I have a 4 port LAGG (LACP / bond-mode 4) interface named bond0. It >> seems >> to take about 45 seconds after the links come up to negotiate with the >> switch. > > This long delay is not normal. For me LACP-based bonds never take longer > than 1 or at most 2 seconds t

Re: sieve - "malformed email address"es - space at EOL?

2017-08-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 08:20:02AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 11 Aug 2017 at 21:41:02 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:03:20AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:14:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > Any sieve gurus? > > > > >

Re: sieve - "malformed email address"es - space at EOL?

2017-08-11 Thread David Wright
On Fri 11 Aug 2017 at 21:41:02 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:03:20AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:14:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > Any sieve gurus? > > > > > > (YES, I finally made it off of procmail, and sieve is AWEsome in >

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

2017-08-11 Thread Jape Person
On 08/10/2017 10:40 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote: After this upgrade thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1) Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the window

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread John Ratliff
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 05:13:55PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: >> Time Settings >> Timezone PST8PDT >> Appearance >> Layout Digital >> Tooltip format Wednesday 09 August 2017 >> Clock Options >> Format 05:04:55 PM >> >> Once I

Re: sieve - "malformed email address"es - space at EOL?

2017-08-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:03:20AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:14:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Any sieve gurus? > > > > (YES, I finally made it off of procmail, and sieve is AWEsome in > > comparison - oh happy days :) > > > > So two sieve failures (dodgy inc

Re: Virtualbox for stretch and buster not in repos

2017-08-11 Thread Hans
Sorry, I just forgot about Oracle policy terms. Yes, you are right and I am wrong. Best Hans > Short Answer: Because of Oracle. > > Longer Answer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 > > Summary: Virtualbox will at the current state of affairs never be in > Testing or an

Re: Virtualbox for stretch and buster not in repos

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
Robert Menes wrote: > Is there a reason why virtualbox hasn't migrated into stretch or > buster yet? Short Answer: Because of Oracle. Longer Answer: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466 Summary: Virtualbox will at the current state of affairs never be in Testing or any sta

Re: Virtualbox for stretch and buster not in repos

2017-08-11 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 11. August 2017, 07:08:41 CEST schrieb Robert Menes: Did you install the virtualbox-dkms package? If yes, did it build? If yes, can you modprobe virtualbox? If everything fails, try kvm and aqemu as a substitute. Best Hans > Hi all, > > On my home desktop, I'm running Debian on th

Virtualbox for stretch and buster not in repos

2017-08-11 Thread Robert Menes
Hi all, On my home desktop, I'm running Debian on the testing channel (currently at "buster"). A recent apt-get upgrade appears to have broken or removed a few vital virtualbox packages, including virtualbox-dkms. Launching any VM in virtualbox throws this error message: [error] The VirtualBox

Re: Debian 9.1 amd64 Xfce panel clock broken

2017-08-11 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 05:13:55PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > Time Settings > TimezonePST8PDT > Appearance > Layout Digital > Tooltip format Wednesday 09 August 2017 > Clock Options > Format 05:04:55 PM > > Once I have m

Re: sieve - "malformed email address"es - space at EOL?

2017-08-11 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 01:14:21PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Any sieve gurus? (YES, I finally made it off of procmail, and sieve is AWEsome in comparison - oh happy days :) So two sieve failures (dodgy incoming emails got through gmail) exposed themselves in relation to sieve in the last fe

Re: delay the start of a service until LACP negotiation is complete

2017-08-11 Thread Sven Hartge
John Ratliff wrote: > I have a 4 port LAGG (LACP / bond-mode 4) interface named bond0. It seems > to take about 45 seconds after the links come up to negotiate with the > switch. This long delay is not normal. For me LACP-based bonds never take longer than 1 or at most 2 seconds to be operationa

Re: Big problem computer not booting

2017-08-11 Thread Fungi4All
From: field.engin...@gmail.com > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > On 08/10/2017 12:00 PM, kelsang sherab wrote: >> I run Debian stretch on MacBook Air >> >> I did a restore backup from previous system[debian Jessie ] >> >> Now machine is not booting >> >> upon boot the machine gives the normal

plasma-discover (packagekit) and apt-listchanges integration

2017-08-11 Thread Felipe Salvador
Hi list, when I see update notifications I use apt-get to update the system, in this way a get news and changelogs via email by apt-listchanges. Is there a mode to get news and changelogs using plasma-discover (kde update manager) when you perform an update? Debian GNU/Linux 9.1 (stretch) Regar