Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On 04/17/2016 06:59 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future releases, but I very much doubt it. B I use Linux Mint on one of my machines. It is ini

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700 Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 > > > April 2016, the beginning o

Apt-update errors

Everything was working fine yesterday. When I ran "apt-get update" today morning, I got a lot or errors : "hash sum mismatch" and many more. Here's the output for apt update: Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease > > Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

Hi David, Thanks for your responses. I'm going to try to your questions and points all in this one post so it's easier to comprehend. Regarding the 'local' name, i don't know how it came into being (or whether it was deliberate on anybody's part). I sure don't think i created it. Thanks for po

RE: Ayuda!

Que tal Juan mandanos el error y con gusto te ayudamos. También mándanos la salida de los siguientes comandos si ya está debían instalado desde el usb (si no ve la nota): # lspci -v# hwinfo Necesitas instalarlo desde el cd?, o puedes instalar desde usb?, y después te ayudamos a que te reconozca e

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote: > > > On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> > >choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future > >> > >releases, but I very much doubt it. > >> > > > >> > >B > >> > > > > > > I use Linux Mint on one of my machines. It is i

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Go Linux wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > From: Patrick Bartek > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] > > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 > > April 2016, the beginning of the

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

On Sunday 17 April 2016 22:08:20 Felix Miata wrote: > Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC): > > I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings. > > > > I will do these tests on next Sunday. > > > > But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on > > Debian, which would

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

Hi Felix, I didn't know about Trinity project. I'll read about it. And thank you also for the tip about Edubuntu. Many thanks for your attention, Markos Em 17-04-2016 21:08, Felix Miata escreveu: Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC): I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings. I

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700 > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April > > 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced > > months ago, finall

Re: Ayuda!

On Sunday 17 April 2016 16:57:43 Juan Cruz wrote: > Hola, > > Mi nombre es Juan Cruz, soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Estuve teniendo > problemas con la instalación de Debian. No reconoce mi lectora de cd-dvd, > pero estoy instalandolo desde una imagen net-install mediante un usb. Por > otro lado

Ayuda!

Hola, Mi nombre es Juan Cruz, soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Estuve teniendo problemas con la instalación de Debian. No reconoce mi lectora de cd-dvd, pero estoy instalandolo desde una imagen net-install mediante un usb. Por otro lado en su momento cuando lo pude hacer en el pasado también tuv

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC): I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings. I will do these tests on next Sunday. But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine? Nothing I wrote w

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

Thanks Felix, I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings. I will do these tests on next Sunday. But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine? This desktop will beused in educational environmen

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

On Sun 17 Apr 2016 at 09:42:38 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote: > If there's a way to determine if i'm running mDNS on my main linux > machine i'm certainly interested, but i don't want to be too greedy about > this. > Because, after all, maybe it is reasonable that if my main linux > machine is sending a

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

On Sat 16 Apr 2016 at 23:56:11 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > ".local" TLD is kind of special so you may find problems anyway - > > it's used for multicast DNS (Avahi). You may be better off picking a > > different domain for your local network.

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

On Sat 16 Apr 2016 at 22:14:29 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote: > In my local network, the machines generally know each other by names like > first_host.local > second_host.local > third_host.local > ... > > So if i'm on first_host, i can ssh to second_host with > ssh my_account@second

Re: Security updates mirror

On 17/04/2016 12:36, Mark Fletcher wrote: Hello A while back I remember seeing an announcement about a security.debian.org mirror in Japan, but I've misplaced the announcement. Doing aptitude update when you are in Japan and regular old security.debian.org

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 10:59 (UTC): I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop with the configuration: Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0) Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz), 2GB DDR HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] Netw

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

Andy --- thanks for all your help in diagnosing my situation and educating me! This includes facts like the nature of these names (second_host was indeed an example, did not know about the restriction on the names) and use of dig. I did some more experimentation on my system, and in fact my other

Re: Pressing ` on Macbook in Debian produces §

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > This isn't really a bug. It was a decision made by the kernel > developers, and is a really old problem. Interesting. What was the decision? Thanks for the alternate fix, I'll use that instead.

Re: Script doesn't work when it is run using '#!/bin/sh'

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 03:47:24PM +0100, Aero Maxx wrote: > On 16/04/2016 14:08, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 01:22:09PM +0100, Aero Maxx wrote: > >>I have a number of bash

No login secreen on Jessie

Hi, I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop with the configuration: Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0) Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz), 2GB DDR HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ Audio

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 14:28, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Let's assume a subordinate script ... Thank-you! That's devious. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > they do not have enough voltage > across the oxide film to keep it "formed" so the oxide slowly reverts as > its in an oxygen free environment I always preferred math over chemistry. > So I should change my single quotes to double-quotes. Rather not. At least not as

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sunday, April 17, 2016, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 + > Mark Fletcher > wrote: > > > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about > > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? > > You are missing that the change to systemd mak

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On 04/17/2016 08:28 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: would anyone ever code: bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null when surely all they need is bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null Interesting question. (Like what is the use case of cat(1) ?) Surely this is one of the less useful varia

Re: Can you help me figure out why I can't get Grub to install from a standard CD .iso?

I used the Mate DVD (8.4) with the non-free packages for a fresh install on my Dell 6500 laptop. The initial installation went fine. Then I powered down and went to give a presentation and could not get it to boot into the graphical desktop. I reinstalled again and had the same failure. In a final

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

On 04/17/2016 07:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: I've never really liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just like the simpl

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

Hi, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > would anyone ever code: > bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null > when surely all they need is > bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null Interesting question. (Like what is the use case of cat(1) ?) Surely this is one of the less useful variations of the rules for redirection. Let's a

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On 04/17/2016 03:21 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 07:25, Michael Milliman wrote: Yes, this is the correct incantation. The difference is very subtle. With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the same as the standard output, and then the standard outpu

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On Sunday 17 April 2016 08:06:13 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > [Second try to send this mail. Looks like lists.debian.org had a > few minutes of inconsciousness. No reply on ping or https.] > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be > > empty. >

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 12:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > > Why is the "2>&1" part needed? Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by > > default. > > Goal is to redirect both to /dev/null. > > So these would do: > > bin/mailwatcher 2>/dev/null >/dev/null & > > bin/mailwa

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 + Mark Fletcher wrote: > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? You are missing that the change to systemd makes most of the knowledge patiently acquired over the years runn

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

Thanks Andy for your suggestions --- some answers and questions interspersed below: On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Dan, > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:14:29PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: >> I would like to drop the '.local' because it's an extra six characters >> with absolut

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be empty. Well, normally the 10 uF capacitors suffice for the projected life time of the dishwasher. :)) The bashism "[[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]]" hides the pitfall that whitespace in a variable will normally y

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

Hi, [Second try to send this mail. Looks like lists.debian.org had a few minutes of inconsciousness. No reply on ping or https.] Gene Heskett wrote: > In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be empty. Well, normally the 10 uF capacitors suffice for the projected life time

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < > > michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never really > > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just > > like the simplicity of the init system better.

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never really > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just > like the simplicity of the init system better. Admittedly, I may well > be undereducated on systemd resulting

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

Hi, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > Why is the "2>&1" part needed? Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by > default. Goal is to redirect both to /dev/null. So these would do: bin/mailwatcher 2>/dev/null >/dev/null & bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null 2>&1 & But as Michael Milliman pointed out, bin/ma

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On Sunday 17 April 2016 02:25:01 Michael Milliman wrote: > On 04/16/2016 12:11 PM, Aero Maxx wrote: > > On 16/04/2016 17:45, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Saturday 16 April 2016 12:01:28 Aero Maxx wrote: > >>> On 16/04/2016 16:23, Gene Heskett wrote: > But when I run it with dash, it doesn't se

Security updates mirror

Hello A while back I remember seeing an announcement about a security.debian.org mirror in Japan, but I've misplaced the announcement. Doing aptitude update when you are in Japan and regular old security.debian.org is in your sources.list is a slow process (works fine, but slow) -- if there is a J

Re: Can you help me figure out why I can't get Grub to install from a standard CD .iso?

On Thursday 14 April 2016 17:57:19 EGO-II.1 wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been trying for about a week now to get Debian with the MATE > desktop installed on my PC. Is this another Skylake problem? It *is* after all a Skylake! I had failures at various stages until I got help: https://lists.debi

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

Hi Dan, On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:56:11PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > What doesn't work about it? > > It has no effect. > > So, if i do > ping second_host > i get "unknown host" from ping. OK. So all the hosts on your local network are

Re: Pressing ` on Macbook in Debian produces §

On Sat, 2016-04-16 at 18:25 -0400, Eric Andrew Lewis wrote: > Hi, > > I notice that when I press the backtick key, the section symbol (§) > is > produced instead. > > This bug has been reported on Ubuntu (#1245081 > ). > > I've found

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 07:25, Michael Milliman wrote: > Yes, this is the correct incantation. The difference is very subtle. > With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the same > as the standard output, and then the standard output is redirected to > /dev/null -- leavin