Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 22.10:22 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Let's take the inverse view: which of these use the upstream > > sysvinit scripts directly ? The answer, as demonstrated below, is: > > none. > > Out of curiosity, how are you comparing these to the ini

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian said: > On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > > > > > And no need to be so contemptuous, I know such a "solution" exists, with > > > a very poor result. > >

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On 19/11/14 15:12, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 18/11/14 23:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 15:06, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> I left out sendmail, but I ju

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Re: Qemu host drive basics.

From: Nate Bargmann Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:26:06 -0600 > It is rw only for the root user and members of the floppy group. Is > peter a member of the floppy group? Use the 'group' command to find > out. No group command but peter is in the floppy group. root@armada:/home/peter# which

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 23:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 15:06, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: I left out sendmail, but I just checked, and guess what, no systemd service file in upstream). xy?

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Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 11.50:25 Miles Fidelman a écrit : Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service scripts. L

Re: Qemu host drive basics.

* On 2014 18 Nov 20:49 -0600, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#sec_005finvocation > contains, > "`-fda file' > ... > You can use the host floppy by using `/dev/fd0' as filename ..." > > Therefore take any diskette which the bare PC can boot from and > try to

Qemu host drive basics.

http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#sec_005finvocation contains, "`-fda file' ... You can use the host floppy by using `/dev/fd0' as filename ..." Therefore take any diskette which the bare PC can boot from and try to boot the virtual machine from it. Here fd0 twitches; then an error. p

Re: LVM: shrinking a logical volume (moving LVM logical volumes to new disks)

Hi On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:24:27AM +0100, lee wrote: > Hi, > > so far, I managed to pvmove a LV to my USB stick and from there to a > backup disk in another machine. Doing so, I found that I can split off > LVs from a volume group and that this inevitably creates a new VG. That > leaves you

Re: moving LVM logical volumes to new disks

Patrick Ouellette writes: >> How do I make the VMs bootable after copying them back? >> > > Maybe try a SuperGrub Boot Disk (or USB drive) if you are using GRUB. > > I would probably install on a minimal system on the new disks so they are > bootable, create the new volumes, rsync, move to the de

LVM: shrinking a logical volume (moving LVM logical volumes to new disks)

Hi, so far, I managed to pvmove a LV to my USB stick and from there to a backup disk in another machine. Doing so, I found that I can split off LVs from a volume group and that this inevitably creates a new VG. That leaves you stuck because it's impossible to move a LV from one VG to another, an

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On 18/11/14 23:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 18/11/14 15:06, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: > I left out sendmail, but I just checked, and guess > what, no systemd service file in upstream). xy?

Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

On Tuesday 18 November 2014 21:02:53 Michael Fothergill wrote: > I also tried translating the Latin expression I made back into English to > check whether it would help anyone interested to "get" the joke > > But I noticed that google translate rendered it in English as: "Time flies, > whereas

Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

> > > > Tempus fugit , sed Latini etiam sugit > > > > ? > With the "sed", it seems a bit awk-ward (?) > > I know that "tempis fugit" thing; > > "Time flies like arrows, and fruit flies like bananas", > > but, > > "What's it all about, Alfie?" > > Let me explain a bit.. I was playing aroun

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Hallo, * Miles Fidelman [Sun, Nov 16 2014, 02:41:14PM]: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Du, 16 nov 14, 11:50:25, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>So... with systemd, one has to: > >>- rely on packagers to generate systemd service files, and/or, > >>- rely on systemd's support for sysvinit scripts, which > >

Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

On 11/18/2014 10:29 AM, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Folks, Out of interest, if I installed two Kaveri motherboads side by side in the same box (if there would be enough room e.g. in a HAF-x box, could I use something like Beowulf to run them in tandem? Could I not set it up so that I coul

Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

On 19/11/2014, Michael Fothergill wrote: > Tempus fugit , sed Latini etiam sugit > ? With the "sed", it seems a bit awk-ward (?) I know that "tempis fugit" thing; "Time flies like arrows, and fruit flies like bananas", but, "What's it all about, Alfie?" -- Bret Busby Armadale West

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Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 11.50:25 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it > occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major > applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service > scripts. Let's take the inverse v

Re: Migrating GTK+ project to windows

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 07:51:12 -0800 "Kevin O'Gorman" wrote: > I have a project that I'd like to migrate to Windows. I'll likely be > using Windows 8.1. It was originally developed on debian-based > distros, so I think this the most likely place to find folks who've > done the same. > > I make i

running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

Dear Folks, Out of interest, if I installed two Kaveri motherboads side by side in the same box (if there would be enough room e.g. in a HAF-x box, could I use something like Beowulf to run them in tandem? Could I not set it up so that I could run one board most of the time and only switch on the

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

On 2014-11-18, Brian wrote: > > That search term has > >http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-pdf.html > > as its first result. > > Well, I'm sure there's something unsatisfying about that, about which we can all have a long, acrimonious discussion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-us

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Show us where Debian is using the file shipped by upstream. dpkg -l | grep xymon ii xymon-client 4.3.17-4 amd64client for the Xymon network monitor 17:25:35 weezer:~/src/xymon-4.3.17$ diff /etc/init.d/xymon-client debian/xymon-

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

On 11/18/2014 04:47 AM, Marty wrote: > The systemd issue in Debian (not systemd itself) is like exploring a > cave system which seems to go on forever. It has so many facets and > subplots that it seems impossible to evaluate objectively. It's the > perfect storm for Debian. It's hard to imagine a

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > > > And no need to be so contemptuous, I know such a "solution" exists, with > > a very poor result. > > Please assume good faith on the part of your fellow list partici

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

Dne, 18. 10. 2014 03:20:25 je Joel Rees napisal(a): When I look at systemd, the fundamental design and structure fly in the face of reason. I'm not trying to be insulting when I say that. For some of us it really does fly in the face of reason. I second that. Some terms that have been used t

Migrating GTK+ project to windows

I have a project that I'd like to migrate to Windows. I'll likely be using Windows 8.1. It was originally developed on debian-based distros, so I think this the most likely place to find folks who've done the same. I make it with code::blocks normally. I have code::blocks on my Windows machine,

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Marty wrote: >> >> I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends >> and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started >> phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of a last >> straw). > > Might I ask

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 01:01:47AM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:41:14AM +0300, Reco wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:15:38PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

Marty wrote: I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of a last straw). Might I ask: - what the other straws were, and, - what your comp

Maildrop - howto deliver email that contains the word "systemd" directly to trash with .mailfilter?

Hello, the subject says it all. I'm starting to have problems finding useful mails from this list. They are hiding somewhere between all systemd arguments. Since I'm not interested in what init system that will be the default and are trusting that my boxes will work just fine with the one cho

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Am 18.11.2014 um 10:07 schrieb Ludovic Meyer : > > Show us where Debian is using the file shipped by upstream. Maybe drbd? > > Then, tell me, is Debian wrong to not use them, or > are the script shipped upstream deficient ? > > In fact, you show "they are shipping initscript", > but tell m

The systemd MacGuffin

The systemd issue in Debian (not systemd itself) is like exploring a cave system which seems to go on forever. It has so many facets and subplots that it seems impossible to evaluate objectively. It's the perfect storm for Debian. It's hard to imagine a more polarizing issue. It's conceivable tha

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:54:16PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Given all the talk about not being ab

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 15:06, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please don't top post - it's not hard to move the mouse. Scott Ferguson wrote: On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: I left out sendmail, but I just checked, and guess what, no systemd service file in upstream). xy? Ummm...

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Which would (in addition to being tedious) do an ugly job because of web > pages decorations and the fact that a webpage does not map well on a pdf > page. The pages you are talking about are fairly simple in terms of presentation (alt

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

Am 17.11.2014 um 19:54 schrieb Erwan David : > Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : >> On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: >> >>> Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? >>> >>> 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires

Re: Qt version of gnuplot strange message

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:03:41PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > The newer version of gnuplot is issuing a warning that I have never > seen before: > > Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : > None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and > host-based au

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:54:16PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Ludovic Meyer wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Ludovic Meyer wrote: > >>>On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >Given all the talk about not being able to i

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

On 2014-11-18, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:32:43AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Some people think sex should only be for procreation... > > Are you procreation or against it? > In your case I'm against it. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.

Re: Not this again

Am Dienstag, 18. November 2014, 00:29:15 schrieb golinux: > UGH! Looks like Gregory Smith has returned with a new handle - > SystemBlues. Does anybody read his swill? No. And I see no point in discussing this here in yet another somewhat systemd related thread. I regularily delete all his mails

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On 18/11/14 15:06, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please don't top post - it's not hard to move the mouse. > > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 18/11/14 12:54, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> I left out sendmail, but I just checked, and guess >>> what, no systemd service file in upstream). >> xy? > Ummm those