Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 22:51:13 Steve Litt wrote: > you shouldn't express your opinion! Of course you should express your opinion, but not over and over and over and over again ad nauseam and beyond. We all know your opinion. Please give it a rest. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

shutdown hangs 4+ minutes at "Stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslog."

2014-08-27 Thread David Christensen
Bump again. Bump. debian-user: I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop running Wheezy. I recently recompiled the kernel with the realtime patch and installed some music workstation packages (rosegarden, etc.). On shutdown, the machine hangs: INIT: Switching to runlevel: 6 INIT: Sen

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject. Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him?

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:39:56 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars > about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on > this subject. > > Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore > him? At least

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:31:12 -0500 green wrote: > B wrote at 2014-08-26 23:16 -0500: > > I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one > > thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers > > (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in > >

Re: Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg?

2014-08-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:34:39 +0200 Hans wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 27. August 2014, 10:08:01 schrieb Jörg-Volker Peetz: > > Have a look at wpa_gui, package wpagui. > > Wpagui is nice, but I am also very pleased with "wicd". Wicd should > run on every environment, and you can also use it in console. I

Re: Troubles installing alongside Windows 8.1

2014-08-27 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/27/2014 03:36 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > I have a laptop that came with Windows 8.1, that uses "secure boot" (EFI) > and GPT partitions. > > Using windows tools, I shrank the main Windows partition. > > Using the Xubuntu 14.04.1 AMD-64 Desktop

Troubles installing alongside Windows 8.1

2014-08-27 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
I have a laptop that came with Windows 8.1, that uses "secure boot" (EFI) and GPT partitions. Using windows tools, I shrank the main Windows partition. Using the Xubuntu 14.04.1 AMD-64 Desktop DVD, I created a root and a swap partition in the hole I had created. I installed Xubuntu. Everything

Announcing The Virtual Plan 9 Server Cookbook

2014-08-27 Thread David L. Craig
This is the publication I wished I had had several months ago, so I decided to write it. With hundreds of screen shots and a few choice scripts (the main one based on maht's make_cpuauth contribution to Plan 9), it walks a UNIX sysadmin of modest experience through installing Debian Sid onto an x8

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:43:35 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > Encouraging the balkanization of the Internet into a collection of > echo chambers seems ill-advised. However, it is interesting from a socio/ethnology point of view. (even if we end up taking our notes under a *BSD OS;) -- What is a TB

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread AW
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:43:35 +0100 Martin Read wrote: > On 27/08/14 19:07, Brian wrote: > > Please join him on the site where his article is published; there is a > > comments section. Perhaps other like-minded people would like to > > accompany you. > > Encouraging the balkanization of th

VLC & Dragon Player no longer play .wmv files

2014-08-27 Thread Gary Dale
I'm having a problem that the VLC version in Debian/Jessie closes after about a second when trying to play .wmv files. I don't think it's VLC's fault entirely because Dragon Player does the same thing. VLC will usually start to play the file - I can see the video and hear some audio - before i

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Martin Read
On 27/08/14 19:07, Brian wrote: Please join him on the site where his article is published; there is a comments section. Perhaps other like-minded people would like to accompany you. Encouraging the balkanization of the Internet into a collection of echo chambers seems ill-advised. -- To UN

Re: Debian 7.6 sur acer 6250

2014-08-27 Thread Curt
> > Essai d' instaler firmware-linux-nonfree > > Après avoir ajouté les dépôts "contrib" and "nonfree" au fichier /etc/apt/sources.list, si ce n'est pas déjà fait: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Glitches in VLC on Debian 7 Xfce

2014-08-27 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/27/2014 05:48 AM, Muntasim Ul Haque wrote: Hi, I have HP ProBook laptop with ATI Radeon HD 8600/8700M Series 2GB graphics. I have a problem. While playing videos in VLC, it pauses or stops for a little and resumes again. It shows glitches. I did everything following Debian AtiHowTo Wiki. Bu

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 17:13:26 +0200, B wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:19:02 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > However, it is considerably better at detecting errors than sysvinit. > > This isn't the thing that repels me; a better detection of potential > problems is of course a good thing. T

Re: task-laptop question

2014-08-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 09:14:30 +0100, Matej Kosik wrote: > Yesterday I installed Debian testing on my laptop. > - I said no to "desktop environment" > and yes to "task-laptop" > > After the installation, network-manager was available. task-laptop doesn't install network-manager. > With "nmt

How to add backports to preseed, no pinning by default

2014-08-27 Thread Jani Reunanen
Hi, When I do Wheezy preseed installation with: d-i apt-setup/local2/repository string http://caroline/debian wheezy-backports main contrib non-free d-i apt-setup/local2/comment string Debian Backports repository installation goes through ok, but after boot I DONT HAVE network available. Somethin

Re: Default Python version on Jessie

2014-08-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 19:37:41 +0200, Slavko wrote: > please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be > support for Python 2.7 dropped in it? > > I read this from systemd changelog (208-7): > > * Build python3-systemd for Python 3 bindings. Drop python-systemd; it does >

Default Python version on Jessie

2014-08-27 Thread Slavko
Hi, please which Python version have to be default on Jessie? Will be support for Python 2.7 dropped in it? I read this from systemd changelog (208-7): * Build python3-systemd for Python 3 bindings. Drop python-systemd; it does not have any reverse dependencies, and we want to encourage mo

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 27/08/14 15:39, Lisi Reisz wrote: > The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about > systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject. > > Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him? At > least the threads will

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 27/08/14 07:09, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 8/26/14, goli...@riseup.net wrote: >> Choose your side on the Linux divide >> >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Choose your side on the Linux divide >> From: Steve Litt >> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:44:23 -0400 >>

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped [SOLVED]

2014-08-27 Thread John
On 27/08/14, Reco (recovery...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:12:05 +0100 > "Karl E. Jorgensen" wrote: > > > > > 4) sysctl --system > > > sysctl --system > > > * Applying /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf ... > > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 0 > > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcast

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Iain M Conochie
Yeahrp, def'nitely tha end of Debian! It really is a sad, sad day. None of: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/systemd was in the slightest convincing ... barely even interesting. Zennan Thank you! Finally someone has bother to post a link to the whole debate behind this. Apologies

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:19:02 +0100 Brian wrote: > However, it is considerably better at detecting errors than sysvinit. This isn't the thing that repels me; a better detection of potential problems is of course a good thing. But it is the other aspects of systemd where I join Paul Venezia ab

Increasing Debian's Adoptability [Was: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades]

2014-08-27 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 7/21/14, songbird wrote: > > based upon my recent attempt to jump versions > it's really much easier to back up your user data > and then reinstall. > > i ran into all sorts of chicken and egg problems > and didn't have the right bits locally to make > the transition (specifically there was

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-27 Thread John
On 26/08/14, Karl E. Jorgensen (k...@jorgensen.org.uk) wrote: > > sysctl --system > > * Applying /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf ... > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 0 > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = 0 > > These caught my eye: Ignore all ICMP ? That would stop ping > (a.k.a. ICMP echo)

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/27/14, B wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:18:23 -0400 > Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> To some material that at least one list member (me) found very useful >> and informative. > > You're not alone. > > I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one > thing: I don't want

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/27/14, David Guntner wrote: > On 8/26/2014 1:52 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 04:06:19 -0400 >> Tom H wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt >>> wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_n

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Brian
On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 06:16:39 +0200, B wrote: > I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one > thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers > (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in > emergency mode just for a bad line into /etc/f

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 08:31:12 -0500 green wrote: > I am considering migrating to FreeBSD. May be not, although Slackware doesn't dismiss this terrible idea, it doesn't use it yet (and Gentoo too): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debia

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Martin Read
On 27/08/14 06:36, B wrote: What I don't understand is Debian leaving the alternative behind, this _doesn't_ sounds the Debian's way. But if it should be the new way, it'll be without me. There are certainly sincere efforts to enable Debian to continue to support other arrangements for sys

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
The OP and a few others are determined to have endless flame wars about systemd. The OP in particular has started endless "threads" on this subject. Since we cannot stop him, please can't the rest of us just ignore him? At least the threads will then be short. PLEASE. If you like Debian, us

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-27 Thread green
B wrote at 2014-08-26 23:16 -0500: > I followed all links given by the article, which convince me of one > thing: I don't want this on my machines, especially on servers > (and a recent unpleasant problem raised by systemd getting in > emergency mode just for a bad line into /etc/fstab (that ne

Re: Debian 7.6 sur acer 6250

2014-08-27 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 14:17:26 Josee Van Hecke wrote: > Bonjour, > > J'avais tenté d'installer Debian 6 sur cette machine, sans succès. Il > m'a fallu me replier sur Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS) à l'époque. > > Voulant toujours Debian, je viens d'installer la version 7.6 , en > effaçant tout le reste

Debian 7.6 sur acer 6250

2014-08-27 Thread Josee Van Hecke
Bonjour, J'avais tenté d'installer Debian 6 sur cette machine, sans succès. Il m'a fallu me replier sur Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS) à l'époque. Voulant toujours Debian, je viens d'installer la version 7.6 , en effaçant tout le reste (installation propre). Tout se déroule comme prévu, mais après avoir

Glitches in VLC on Debian 7 Xfce

2014-08-27 Thread Muntasim Ul Haque
Hi, I have HP ProBook laptop with ATI Radeon HD 8600/8700M Series 2GB graphics. I have a problem. While playing videos in VLC, it pauses or stops for a little and resumes again. It shows glitches. I did everything following Debian AtiHowTo Wiki. But the problem still persists. I don't have suc

Re: Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg?

2014-08-27 Thread Hans
Am Mittwoch, 27. August 2014, 10:08:01 schrieb Jörg-Volker Peetz: > Have a look at wpa_gui, package wpagui. Wpagui is nice, but I am also very pleased with "wicd". Wicd should run on every environment, and you can also use it in console. It has a gtk gui as well as a ncurses gui, Additinionally

task-laptop question

2014-08-27 Thread Matej Kosik
Hi, Yesterday I installed Debian testing on my laptop. - I said no to "desktop environment" and yes to "task-laptop" After the installation, network-manager was available. With "nmtui" I was able to activate available wifi connection. However, I wasn't able to get online until I did this:

Re: Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg?

2014-08-27 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Have a look at wpa_gui, package wpagui. -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ltk3l2$ocb$1...@ger.gmane.org

Re: Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg?

2014-08-27 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:35:31 -0700 cono...@rahul.net (John Conover) wrote: > > Is there a Wifi configuration GUI for Xorg that doesn't run Gnome, > Lxde, Xfce, or KDE? This one definitely doesn't run any DE. $ apt-cache show dhcpcd-gtk | grep -C2 Description-en Architecture: amd64 Depends

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-27 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:27:24 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Wed 27 Aug 2014 at 02:01:14 +0400, Reco wrote: > > > And, by the way, ipv6 has nothing to do with this problem, although the > > output of ipv6 routing tables looks abnormal to me too. > > You could very well be correct. But, should the

Re: No localhost - I'm stumped

2014-08-27 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 23:12:05 +0100 "Karl E. Jorgensen" wrote: > > > 4) sysctl --system > > sysctl --system > > * Applying /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf ... > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 0 > > net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = 0 > > These caught my eye: Ignore all ICMP ? That woul