Re: POP3 softwares.

2014-01-18 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:46:15PM -0800, Peter Easthope wrote: > Problem > Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL. Also a MUA on a > local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and > lacks SSL. Try to move messages from the server to the MUA. > > Candidate Solution > L

POP3 softwares.

2014-01-18 Thread Peter Easthope
Problem Given a remote POP3 server which provides SSL. Also a MUA on a local host, which retrieves by POP3 when activated by the user and lacks SSL. Try to move messages from the server to the MUA. Candidate Solution Let getmail, in the POP3-over-SSL instance, retrieve messages from the server a

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:23:16AM -0800, Aubrey Raech wrote: > Hey debian-user list-- > > I have a friend in another country who only uses Windows, and I wanted > to show him a programming project I've been working on. This program > only runs on GNU/Linux as of now, and is accessed through the t

Re: Acceptable on list? was: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 02:34:18PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 18 January 2014 09:45:29 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people > > reading debian-user, but there is a good chance that it is not > > appropriate for at least some readers. >

Re: Debian Users list - signal to noise... is this normal?

2014-01-18 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 09:31:21AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hi all, > > If this garbage OT crap ('sad but true Linux sucks', and 'Hey Humans > I'm a machine') is typical of this list, is there a debian related > list that doesn't allow such crap to go on and on and on and on and > on and on ad na

Re: Debian Users list - signal to noise... is this normal?

2014-01-18 Thread Bob Bernstein
Dear Sir, I would like to protest in the strongest possible terms your representation of officers of the British Army. It is simply shameful. And also the traffic on this email list. Can't something be done about it? Think about the children! ...oh...sorry...this isn't Monty Python, is it?

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Bob Proulx
Reco wrote: > Set up another user with /bin/rbash (not straight /bin/bash) as a shell. > Set PATH in .bashrc of said user to that program. Restricted shells have a long history. Everyone wants them to work. But in practice they tend to have a lot of holes. Joel Rees wrote: > Oh. Well, that might

Re: Debian Users list - signal to noise... is this normal?

2014-01-18 Thread Bob Proulx
Tanstaafl wrote: > If this garbage OT crap ('sad but true Linux sucks', and 'Hey Humans > I'm a machine') is typical of this list, It varies from season to season. Although often it feels like the September That Never Ended. There are more than 2,000 plus subscribers to debian-user. Imagine if

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:42:55 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 15:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote: > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Why does a manually wound coil for guitars does sound better than a > > > mechanically wounded coil does? > > > > I doubt that it would in a double-bli

Re: How to download Debian releases before 3.0?

2014-01-18 Thread sp113438
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:04:14 +0100 John Rogers wrote: > Hello. > > I was doing some software archeology and found that I would like to > install a couple of older Debian releases in virtual machines for > comparison. Releases from 3.0 and above was very easy to find [1], but > I can't find anyth

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/19/14, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 18/01/14 20:24, Go Linux wrote: >> Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading >> this thread days ago . >> >> > +1 We owe it to others on our list, to post all our OT type replies "To: d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debi

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Joel Rees
Capacitor? On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Actually, yes it does. All humans have the capacitor to be. explore some > of the many science and general science text on human brain function and > you will find some rich support. > The capacitor to be, however each creati

Re: How to download Debian releases before 3.0?

2014-01-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:04:14 +0100 John Rogers wrote: > Hello. > > I was doing some software archeology and found that I would like to > install a couple of older Debian releases in virtual machines for > comparison. Releases from 3.0 and above was very easy to find [1], but > I can't find

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. They do show up on the OT list. If you are not seeing them there then that is a separate problem. But be assured that your messages sent to the OT list are being sent through the OT list. There is no reason to avoid it thinking th

Re: Including git commands in preseed

2014-01-18 Thread Bob Proulx
Todd Maurice wrote: > #!/bin/bash > echo Hello World That output show should up in vt 4. Use Alt-F4 at installation time to see the output there. I would make the output more visible. I would make it LOUD. #!/bin/bash echo

How to download Debian releases before 3.0?

2014-01-18 Thread John Rogers
Hello. I was doing some software archeology and found that I would like to install a couple of older Debian releases in virtual machines for comparison. Releases from 3.0 and above was very easy to find [1], but I can't find anything from before that. I have seen that it should be possible to use

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 18/01/14 20:24, Go Linux wrote: > Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading > this thread days ago . > > +1, but ... How then are you able to respond to it? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Go Linux
Please cease and desist this stupid off topic chatter. I gave up reading this thread days ago . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1390073080.59110.ya

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread cletusjenkins
>> I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just in all situations >> neither is the best. You said in another reply that we haven't created >> a computer that can create as we do, >What do yo mean we? Just because one person is a good musician doesn't >mean we are. Just because one person i

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Actually, yes it does. All humans have the capacitor to be. explore some of the many science and general science text on human brain function and you will find some rich support. The capacitor to be, however each creative effort is as unique as your DNA. This is not philosophy, its physics.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread cletusjenkins
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 23:42:41 -0800 Chris Bannister wrote > >Just a bit of advice, if it's not NSFW why on earth do you think it's >OK on this list? Do you say what ever you like to your mother or anyone >you meet? > Yeah, and that bitch (and the rest of them) don't much appreciat

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:50:21 + Chris Davies wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Set up another user with /bin/rbash (not straight /bin/bash) as a shell. > > Set PATH in .bashrc of said user to that program. > > Unfortunately rbash has a race condition built in to its execution of > .profile by d

Re: Connot load Wheezy in a "virgin" desktop -- FAILURE

2014-01-18 Thread Ken Heard
On Jan 18, 2014 12:00 PM, "Joel Rees" wrote: > I think I'd have given up on the hardware within the first several > days, and be trying to get my money back or get an exchange. I am checking out the hardware now. > Looking at the problems, I would lean towards issues in the CPU > itself, or, if

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Davies
Reco wrote: > Set up another user with /bin/rbash (not straight /bin/bash) as a shell. > Set PATH in .bashrc of said user to that program. Unfortunately rbash has a race condition built in to its execution of .profile by definition (it doesn't disable the interrupt signal until after the .profile

Acceptable on list? was: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 18 January 2014 09:45:29 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people > reading debian-user, but there is a good chance that it is not > appropriate for at least some readers. Sexuality is not taboo. But it seems to me that detailed descriptio

Debian Users list - signal to noise... is this normal?

2014-01-18 Thread Tanstaafl
Hi all, If this garbage OT crap ('sad but true Linux sucks', and 'Hey Humans I'm a machine') is typical of this list, is there a debian related list that doesn't allow such crap to go on and on and on and on and on and on ad nauseum? If it is typical, and there is no other option for list ba

Re: Debian logging - confused

2014-01-18 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2014-01-16 5:48 PM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 06:14:42 -0500 Tanstaafl wrote: So, does debian have a single log (in gentoo, everything is logged to /var/log/messages, then you can also send individual services to separate logs as well)? The reason I'm asking is, I can't s

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 01:23:16 -0800 Aubrey Raech wrote: > ...so that he can't access at least my personal things, but honestly I'd > prefer he only really be able to run the one program. Set up another user with /bin/rbash (not straight /bin/bash) as a shell. Copy the program in question to

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Aubrey Raech wrote: > Hey debian-user list-- > > I have a friend in another country who only uses Windows, and I wanted > to show him a programming project I've been working on. This program > only runs on GNU/Linux as of now, and is accessed through the terminal.

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 04:47:24AM -0500, Jeff Bauer wrote: > On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: > >>>Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of

Re: Using maildrop to filter mail [Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/18/14, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 18 ian 14, 19:37:52, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> Gmail does some annoying things here and there - I really need to go >> back to mutt and postfix (they're actually configured for some months >> now, but I want to use some sorting function other than proc

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/18/14, Aubrey Raech wrote: > I have a friend in another country who only uses Windows, and I wanted > to show him a programming project I've been working on. This program > only runs on GNU/Linux as of now, and is accessed through the terminal. > I'd prefer he only really be able to run the

Re: V Taller Internacional de Tecnologías de Software Libre y Código Abierto

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:01:53AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > > Near as I can tell, uci.cu is the correct domain for "Universidad de > las Ciencias Informáticas". I did not investigate much further, but if > you know that "V Taller Internacional de Tecnologías de Software Libre > y Código Abierto"

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:32:41AM +0700, Diogene Laerce wrote: > > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) Machines don't need pills! Get with it man. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:37:30PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > You humans only where able to get the knowledge about the theory of ^ You are going to have to do better than that MACHINE!! > Take an educate

Posting to -offtopic [was: Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]

2014-01-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 ian 14, 09:27:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > My mails don't come trough the OT list :(. You messed up the quoting, but the answer is in there... > >- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - > > > > (reason: 550-policyd-weight said: Your MTA is listed in too m

Re: Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 ian 14, 01:23:16, Aubrey Raech wrote: > Hey debian-user list-- > > I have a friend in another country who only uses Windows, and I wanted > to show him a programming project I've been working on. This program > only runs on GNU/Linux as of now, and is accessed through the terminal. > >

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 17. Januar 2014, 22:37:30 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. Is there any on-topic stuff going on on this mailing list anymore? I observe myself clicking on ignore message on whole mail threads quite often these days. Actually I

Using maildrop to filter mail [Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine]

2014-01-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 ian 14, 19:37:52, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Gmail does some annoying things here and there - I really need to go > back to mutt and postfix (they're actually configured for some months > now, but I want to use some sorting function other than procmail, and > don't have time to get up to

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 01/18/2014 03:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the mil

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 17 ian 14, 22:53:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I agree, but they will kill you and now me too, because you mentioned > that. Sexuality is a taboo! It's evil, it doesn't exist in the clean > computer world! Most probably sexuality is not taboo for some/many/most people reading debian-user, b

Minimizing shell access on my VPS

2014-01-18 Thread Aubrey Raech
Hey debian-user list-- I have a friend in another country who only uses Windows, and I wanted to show him a programming project I've been working on. This program only runs on GNU/Linux as of now, and is accessed through the terminal. My first thought is that this isn't a problem; I have a VPS ru

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread darkestkhan
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:37:30 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > Praise the robots! > "From the weakness of the mind, Omnissiah save us. From the lies of the Antipath, circuit prese

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 19:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you

Re: permissions: can you force ACL to be effective over unix perms?

2014-01-18 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > I have a little more time to work through what you originally wrote, > sans certain assumptions I had when I originally responded. > > (And I didn't intend to post this off-list, so I'm posting it again, on list. > > Note -- if you aren't sure ho

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 19:21 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: > >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > >> > >> > Err, Ralf.. Did you

[Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details]

2014-01-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org Subject: Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:19:54 +0100 Mailer: Evolution 3.10.3 On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 21:12 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 1/18/14, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: >> >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. >> >> > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) >> >> Guys (Ralph, you started this

Re: sad but true, Linux sucks, a bit

2014-01-18 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:00:53PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 14:38 +0100, Denis Witt wrote: > > Or think about machines in mills, sorting out single grains of poor > > quality while they are falling down like a waterfall into the > > millstone granting a better flour qualit

Re: Hey humans, I'm a machine

2014-01-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 18:55 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 1/18/14, Diogene Laerce wrote: > >> once you build me, but nowadays I'm more gifted than you humans. > > > Err, Ralf.. Did you take your pills this morning ? ;) > > Guys (Ralph, you started this thread), isn't there some off-topic >