Re: Is my unattended upgrades working?

2013-10-27 Thread Carlo
Hi, check if your method is similar as this tutorial. http://www.oneopensource.it/10/08/2011/ubuntu-debian-installare-in-automatico-aggiornamenti-di-sicurezza/ Tell abour your next progress. Carlo. 2013/10/27 Florian Lindner : > Hello, > > on Debian Wheezy I try to use the included unattended up

Re: sudo and UNIXes

2013-10-27 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Reco writes: > Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: >> >>> Considering that primary usage of sudo is to provide controlled >> >>> privilege escalation to uid=0, using unsupported (therefore - not >> >>> updated unless local sysadmins care about security) sudo on these OS

Re: [SOLVED] Messed up audio settings

2013-10-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
Earlier youtube had muted sound on its videos. I found that out as a result of reading some other blindness-related e-mail lists and I wrote about it earlier on this list. So, did you unmute the video? You need to do this with each video you visit. If you did that and are still having these

[SOLVED] Messed up audio settings

2013-10-27 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: > > Well, one thing leads to another. I started using Epiphany instead of > iceweasel > recently due to the sluggish performance of iceweasel. Now I have a different > problem. Using Epiphany, I visited the YouTube site and played

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-27 Thread Bob Proulx
Reco wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Most of those systems ship very little by their vendors. I have used > > them for many years and almost all of the software that you will use > > on those systems will have been compiled and installed by the local > > admin. IMNHO they are mainly a good solid b

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/27/2013 5:02 PM, David Guntner wrote: Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [tl;dr] Can you guys PLEASE take this off-topic discussion somewhere else? Like, maybe, the off-topic list (which, oddly enough, was created for topics like this) -

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread David Guntner
Jerry Stuckle grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 10/27/2013 5:02 PM, David Guntner wrote: >> Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >> [tl;dr] >> >> Can you guys PLEASE take this off-topic discussion somewhere else? >> Like, maybe, the off-topic list (which, oddly enough, was created for >

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/27/2013 6:55 PM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:51:48 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: No, most business would NOT hire them as programmers - they couldn't afford them. From an outside layman (but very interested) perspective the argument boils down to which is more important

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/27/2013 5:02 PM, David Guntner wrote: Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [tl;dr] Can you guys PLEASE take this off-topic discussion somewhere else? Like, maybe, the off-topic list (which, oddly enough, was created for topics like this) --Dave Dave, Don't

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/27/2013 4:51 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/27/2013 10:33 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: And also not to weigh in (much) about what's actually important about OOP (Alan Kay has more than once pointed out that it's message passing and isolation that

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-27 Thread ruckus rogue
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Slavko wrote: > I am sorry, perhaps i forgot to mention, that this is my setting. Or, > to be more precise, i have shortcut to run "aptitude -R". Thanks all for the replies so far, but still a bit confused. I've always had a 06norecommends in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/

Re: How to ditch nouveau driver with nVidia card

2013-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Sven Joachim writes: [...] > > You have to edit the line starting with "linux", putting parameters > after /vmlinuz-$version . Finding that line was the problem... I found /boot/grub.cfg and the kernel line there > You could boot with the nomodeset kernel parameter, which should > give you the

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/28/13, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > Zenaan Harkness writes: > >> Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Zenaan Harkness >> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 >> Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Lin

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 10/28/13, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 >> Is this thread that old or was it sent with a wrong date? Have you >> searched the archive? I guess the list's admin can't help. >> > The original posting was on Aug. 24 (just checked the archives). Thank y

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:51:48 -0400 Miles Fidelman wrote: > No, most business would NOT hire them as programmers - they couldn't > afford them. From an outside layman (but very interested) perspective the argument boils down to which is more important, the use of or the invention of I conte

Re: new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-10-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 05:57:04PM -0400, ken wrote: > One laptop I'm looking at buying offers these CPU options: > > * 4 Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ Processor ( 2.4 GHz 6MB L3 > Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading ) > > * 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4800MQ Processor ( 2.7 GHz 6MB L3 > C

new laptop: compiling source for i7 CPUs???

2013-10-27 Thread ken
One laptop I'm looking at buying offers these CPU options: * 4 Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ Processor ( 2.4 GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading ) * 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4800MQ Processor ( 2.7 GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading ) * 4th Generation Intel®

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread David Guntner
Miles Fidelman grabbed a keyboard and wrote: [tl;dr] Can you guys PLEASE take this off-topic discussion somewhere else? Like, maybe, the off-topic list (which, oddly enough, was created for topics like this) --Dave smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/27/2013 10:33 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: And also not to weigh in (much) about what's actually important about OOP (Alan Kay has more than once pointed out that it's message passing and isolation that are important, polymorphism and inheritance a

humble request

2013-10-27 Thread Naomi Sadiq
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Massive unsolicited OT being lost? What a shame! -- Was: some OT semi-intellectual stuff

2013-10-27 Thread Alois Mahdal
On 2013-10-27 19:41, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: Zenaan Harkness writes: Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? -- Forwarded message -- From: Zenaan Harkness Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Ralf Mardorf wrote: 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Is this thread that old or was it sent with a wrong date? Have you searched the archive? I guess the list's admin can't help. The original posting was on Aug. 24 (just checked the archives). Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference

Re: How and where lspci utility gathers information about hardware components?

2013-10-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/27/2013 1:18 PM, Martin T wrote: > lspci utility shows information regarding devices on various buses like PCI > or PCI Express. For example on IBM ThinkPad T42 laptop: [snip] > Am I correct that lspci uses SMBus which is present both on PCI and PCI > Express? In addition, how are the model

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Zenaan Harkness writes: > Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Zenaan Harkness > Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 > Subject: Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel? > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

How and where lspci utility gathers information about hardware components?

2013-10-27 Thread Martin T
Hi, lspci utility shows information regarding devices on various buses like PCI or PCI Express. For example on IBM ThinkPad T42 laptop: T42 ~ # lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to I/O Controller (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82855PM Processor to AGP

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Is this thread that old or was it sent with a wrong date? Have you searched the archive? I guess the list's admin can't help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debia

Re: emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 23:46 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I looked around l.d.o/debian-user, but cannot find an admin address > (sorry, I bit stupid sometimes). > > Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? > > TIA > Zenaan > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From

Re: vim doesn't have python support?

2013-10-27 Thread Dale Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 04:38:03PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > [Please don't top post on this list] > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 03:54:22PM -0400, Dale Harris wrote: > > I had to install vim-nox (or one of the other variants), to get python > > support. Might be nice if vim-python-jedi require

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/27/2013 10:33 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: And also not to weigh in (much) about what's actually important about OOP (Alan Kay has more than once pointed out that it's message passing and isolation that are important, polymorphism and inheritance are just what seem to g

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: And also not to weigh in (much) about what's actually important about OOP (Alan Kay has more than once pointed out that it's message passing and isolation that are important, polymorphism and inheritance are just what seem to get the attention.) By the way: really nice dis

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-27 Thread Slavko
Hi, Dňa Sun, 27 Oct 2013 22:47:00 +1300 Chris Bannister napísal: > > There are three types of dependencies: > > > > + depended = required > > + recommended = optional > > Unless you explicitly set recommended to optional, then they are > automatically installed. I am sorry, perhaps i forgot t

Is my unattended upgrades working?

2013-10-27 Thread Florian Lindner
Hello, on Debian Wheezy I try to use the included unattended upgrades script for security updates: root@astarte ~ # cat /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; APT::Periodic::Verbose "2"; APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrad

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/27/2013 6:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Not in any way disputing your basic premise that it's hard, or impossible, to do polymorphism and inheritance in C, with which I agree. And not to weigh in on whether an "object" is a "machine" or vice versa (though a pretty good arguement can be

emails to debian-user silently dropped ??? -- was Fwd: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Zenaan Harkness
I looked around l.d.o/debian-user, but cannot find an admin address (sorry, I bit stupid sometimes). Can anyone tell me where my email went - see below - ?? TIA Zenaan -- Forwarded message -- From: Zenaan Harkness Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:56:13 +1000 Subject: Re: What's the e

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-27 Thread Kailash
On Sunday 27 October 2013 03:17 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:42:18AM +0100, Slavko wrote: >> Ahoj, >> >> Dňa Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:55:57 -0600 ruckusrogue >> napísal: >> >>> Anyone know the proper tool (shell) to best remove (purge) packages >>> and their dependencies afte

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-10-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
Not in any way disputing your basic premise that it's hard, or impossible, to do polymorphism and inheritance in C, with which I agree. And not to weigh in on whether an "object" is a "machine" or vice versa (though a pretty good arguement can be made that objects can be viewed as finite s

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 08:42:18AM +0100, Slavko wrote: > Ahoj, > > Dňa Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:55:57 -0600 ruckusrogue > napísal: > > > Anyone know the proper tool (shell) to best remove (purge) packages > > and their dependencies after installing? > > There are three types of dependencies: > > +

Re: firmware installation (in case you won't see my reply: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/10/msg01802.html)

2013-10-27 Thread Diogene Laerce
Thanks for the update. I'd do it this way: Download the needed package(s). Disable Display Manager from starting on boot. Reboot into 3.2 kernel. Actually this is what doesn't work for me : even in console, once the 3.2 kernel is loaded I haven’t got access to the keyboard anymore. I had

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-27 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:55:57 -0600 ruckusrogue napísal: > Anyone know the proper tool (shell) to best remove (purge) packages > and their dependencies after installing? There are three types of dependencies: + depended = required + recommended = optional + suggested = optional While th

Re: sysctl.conf

2013-10-27 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:25:15 +0400 Dmitrii Kashin wrote: > Sysctl is used in order to give kernel some default parameters to work. > The most common cases to use it: > - to allow packets redirection > - to enable/disable ipv6 support > - to change console behavior and printk output. > ..and

Re: sudo and UNIXes (was: audacity export wma format[1 more question])

2013-10-27 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 + Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote: > > > > Yes, but pfexec is not sudo. And privilege-aware Solaris shells are > > definitely not sudo too. > > It might not be sudo but it's the same principle of privilege escalation. > > sudo

Re: sysctl.conf

2013-10-27 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Roland RoLaNd writes: > that's the thing, i'm reading up on sysctl and don't have the > necessary knowledge to know what to "expect" at the moment. You have to know what you will get in the end. In my opinion it is strongly recommended. You could begin with something easier, for example, configu

Re: sysctl.conf

2013-10-27 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Roland RoLaNd writes: > All, > I'm reading up on how to harden debian.i just checked /etc/sysctl.conf > and noticed that everything is commented out.do that mean they're > running as defaults or none of what exists in this file is > implemented? All of options in default configuration files *are

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-27 Thread Reco
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 02:58:39 +0100 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 26.10.2013 13:37, Reco a écrit : > > You don't need w3c validator if you have browser compatibility list. > > This is the way this industry work - you don't have browser they like > > - you don't use their product.