Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)

2013-09-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 09:33:26PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Btw. "fxg a sheep" in Germany is allowed, so claiming asylum should http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct * Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is il

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:48 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:37:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> ... Really bad quoting ... > > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.5 > > Wow. Is evolution they give you in Arch Linux really that bad? > Did you considered tuning it somewhat? >

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread recovery...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:37:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> ... Really bad quoting ... > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.5 Wow. Is evolution they give you in Arch Linux really that bad? Did you considered tuning it somewhat? Because you see - OP mail looked just fine in my mutt. Reco -- To UNSUB

Re: Security?

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 15:26 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > Wow (what hubris by NSA/USA)! Did any arrest take place for shutting > > > down Lavabit (sorry, no time to read just now)? Either way, nice to > > > see integrity/principle prevail in a human

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 09:46 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Please avoid breaking threads To add this line won't help, because _most_ users aren't aware what breaking a thread does mean. It's much easier to sort by something else, instead of the thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Volunteer in need of a mentor

2013-09-22 Thread Beco
Dear fellows, Its time! After some years using Debian and contributing to it with bugs, discussions, configurations, and spreading the word, now I want to do another step. I'm newbie in the world of packaging, documenting, and so on... so some patient would be welcome. Also, and that is important

Xorg/driver assignment

2013-09-22 Thread Matthias Meyer
Hello, I have an AMD E450 and I've downloaded and install the amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13-4-x86.x86_64 Now I'm not sure whether the driver is properly installed. Probably there is a configuration problem root@vdr:~# fglrxinfo display: localhost:10.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/23/13, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I recently got back from holiday. I have found catching up on the list > really > difficult because so many people now break threads and don't trim quotes, > or, > even worse, do not quote at all. If you MUA has such a setting, I recommend about 70-chars line leng

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/23/13, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 09/22/2013 06:49 PM, Morel Bérenger wrote: >> For the 2nd issue, it seems you do not have installed a package for >> me. Package which could have been automatically installed by whatever >> other wm you use, or any other software. >> I already had issues w

Re: How to customize keys under X?

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/23/13, Xue Fuqiao wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 9/22/13, Xue Fuqiao wrote: >>> I'd like to customize keys in Debian. I want to set f2/f3/f4/f8 to >>> cut/copy/paste/switch-applications. For switching applications, I tried >>> setting f8 in Setting

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 09/22/2013 06:49 PM, Morel Bérenger wrote: > Ok, problem solved by simply waiting... strange. Anyway, I can not > reproduce your problem, here, pressing 'n' goes to next unread > message. Is it what it should do? If yes, then it works fine. > I would really like to see your i3 configuration file

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread Morel Bérenger
On 23/09/2013 00:26, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.09.2013 01:14, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 09/21/2013 03:58 PM, Josef Bailey wrote: i3 is a very good wm I just installed & ran I3. I have a couple of issues. 1. it breaks Thunderbirds "n" to go to Next Message in another folde

Re: How to customize keys under X?

2013-09-22 Thread Xue Fuqiao
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 9/22/13, Xue Fuqiao wrote: >> I'd like to customize keys in Debian. I want to set f2/f3/f4/f8 to >> cut/copy/paste/switch-applications. For switching applications, I tried >> setting f8 in Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> Navigat

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.09.2013 01:14, Paul Cartwright a écrit : On 09/21/2013 03:58 PM, Josef Bailey wrote: i3 is a very good wm I just installed & ran I3. I have a couple of issues. 1. it breaks Thunderbirds "n" to go to Next Message in another folder. So you have to constantly use the mouse to move to the

Re: Don't want a desktop environment

2013-09-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.09.2013 21:41, Fred a écrit : but I understand I need to do more than that. Seems like I need some display manager also? I did try to do aptitude install slim which installs, but it's not like it magically autostarts when I boot the system. What I need is to config slim to autostart, wh

Re: Problem with mouse

2013-09-22 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
pch0317, 16.09.2013: > > My notebook have problem with mouse. When I started system > everythink work correctly over few minutes and then right mouse > don't work corectly or left don't work. But icon on desktop work > corectly all time - I can launch it. It is problem with X or Xfce or > with mou

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:00:02 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Insanity is a new fashion in Linuxland. In regard to some of your recent comments Ralf I was a bit concerned about you. Maybe the NSA hasn't made you nuts at all but instead repressed feelings about the environment. I understand completel

Re: Security?

2013-09-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Wow (what hubris by NSA/USA)! Did any arrest take place for shutting > > down Lavabit (sorry, no time to read just now)? Either way, nice to > > see integrity/principle prevail in a human. > > The Wiki doesn't give more information. I suspect that t

Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-22 Thread Bob Proulx
Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > OT Rant: It annoys me that recent Linux kernels reverse the order of > > the route lines. Previously it would have been scanned from top to > > bottom and the first line matching wins. But now it is upside down > > and must be scanned from bottom

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 22:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 12:55 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > don't trim quotes PS: As you can see, in this case the really bad trimmed quote indeed could be misinterpreted as a call. I guess we have to live with some odd mails. Ok, that hard

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 12:55 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > don't trim quotes Some days ago I trimmed quotes on Linux audio users/developers and was ask to quote everything, because out of context the quotes would be manipulating the content. But it anyway was an insane discussion, since somebody fo

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 19:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: I recently got back from holiday. I have found catching up on the list really > difficult because so many people now break threads and don't trim quotes, or, > even worse, do not quote at all. hyposensibilization might help > > What on eart

Re: Can not format USB drive

2013-09-22 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
> Therefore I am starting to belive that stick can be broken after all :) > Nevertheless I will wait for some time expecting that somebody had > experienced something similar and can give me some other advice than to > throw away that stick. > > Martin > Bye Hi! Did you try "testdisk"? Nice tool

Re: Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:01:55PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I recently got back from holiday. I have found catching up on the list > really > difficult because so many people now break threads and don't trim quotes, or, > even worse, do not quote at all. I was going to just grin and bear it,

Re: Can not format USB drive

2013-09-22 Thread Martin
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:48:27AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ hdparm --help > > -r Get/set device readonly flag (DANGEROUS to set) > > I suspect that the USB stick can't be "repaired" anymore. I was hoping not to get this diagnose :( But thank you anyway. You mig

Re: Sound problems on Wheezy upgrade (and squeeze, previously)

2013-09-22 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:29:13AM -0500, Damon Getsman wrote: > Haven't checked to see what the BIOS menu says yet, > but I will as soon as I can take the machine down for a bit. I would definitely do that, since this sounds like a hardware problem to me. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.ne

Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-22 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Hello, Bob Proulx a écrit : > > OT Rant: It annoys me that recent Linux kernels reverse the order of > the route lines. Previously it would have been scanned from top to > bottom and the first line matching wins. But now it is upside down > and must be scanned from bottom to top. Can you pleas

Broken threads and missing quotations

2013-09-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
I recently got back from holiday. I have found catching up on the list really difficult because so many people now break threads and don't trim quotes, or, even worse, do not quote at all. What on earth am I to make of, for example: Re Widgets : Yes, I quite agree, Stephen. But I find it helpf

Re: Sound problems on Wheezy upgrade

2013-09-22 Thread Gary Roach
On 09/21/2013 04:18 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 04:07:49PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: In reply to your question: root@mysite:/var/lib# ls -ld /var/lib/alsa drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 29 2012 /var/lib/alsa root@mysite:/var/lib# ls -ld /root drwx-- 15

SOLVED: booting from raid1 fails after upgrading from kernel-3,2 to 3,10-3 amd64

2013-09-22 Thread e.waelde
For the records, On 09/13/2013 10:07 PM, e.waelde wrote: > Hello, > > my main workstation runs its root-filesystem on lvm > on crypt_luks on raid1 (software raid). Everything > works flawless with kernel-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 > > However, all later kernels that I tried fail to boot, > e.g. kernel-

Re: Sound problems on Wheezy upgrade (and squeeze, previously)

2013-09-22 Thread Damon Getsman
I've been waiting to post about this issue for quite some time, nbut when I finally saw this thread I decided it was time to pipe up. I had lots of issues with my soundsystem dying in squeeze whether I used alsa or pulse. Only a reboot would fix it. It seemed to creep up most commonly when nultip

Re: [OT]Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-22 Thread Curt
On 2013-09-22, Marko Randjelovic wrote: > > It's quite interesting people always use 'IP' as short for 'IP > address'. I've never seen 'IPA', which is obviously most correct, most > logical and most natural. What's really interesting is that people say WWW (nine syllables), instead of World Wide

Re: Download Past Mailing list

2013-09-22 Thread Brian
On Sat 21 Sep 2013 at 21:29:16 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Bob Proulx writes: > > But the original poster was asking about getting local mailbox files > > of the last month of messages. > > I misunderstood. For that he may have to ask the list managers. #161440 may be relevant: From: Thomas

Re: Security?

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 00:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Wow (what hubris by NSA/USA)! Did any arrest take place for shutting > down Lavabit (sorry, no time to read just now)? Either way, nice to > see integrity/principle prevail in a human. The Wiki doesn't give more information. I suspect tha

Re: booting from raid1 fails after upgrading from kernel-3,2 to 3,10-3 amd64

2013-09-22 Thread Bob Weber
e.waelde wrote: >> Hello, >> >> my main workstation runs its root-filesystem on lvm >> on crypt_luks on raid1 (software raid). Everything >> works flawless with kernel-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 >> >> However, all later kernels that I tried fail to boot, >> e.g. kernel-image-3.10-3-amd64 >> + grub2 starts

Re: How to customize keys under X?

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/22/13, Xue Fuqiao wrote: > I'd like to customize keys in Debian. I want to set f2/f3/f4/f8 to > cut/copy/paste/switch-applications. For switching applications, I tried > setting f8 in Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> Navigation, but it > didn't help; neither Alt+Tab nor f8 worked after

Re: How to use the debian installation iso for installing packages using aptitude

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/22/13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 18 aug 13, 21:22:59, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> > Also if I generate my own gpg key and sign the repository using that >> > key, >> > will it get authenticated? > > Yes, if you add the key correctly. > >> But gpg-signing a 30GiB repo, package by package, j

Re: Security?

2013-09-22 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 9/22/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 12:14 -0400, Albretch Mueller wrote: >> https://lavabit.com/ > > I always claimed that the issue is the most hard for nationals from the > USA, then for any other people. They spy all people, but they only can > force people from their own na

Re: quit out of olive?

2013-09-22 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013, Josef Bailey wrote: > On 09/21, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > How is this possible? On the amd64 machine I use the q key does nothing > > and what's worse the program also has control-c and control-d blocked as > > well so they cqan't disrupt program operation. > > > Hello Jude

How to customize keys under X?

2013-09-22 Thread Xue Fuqiao
Hi list, I'd like to customize keys in Debian. I want to set f2/f3/f4/f8 to cut/copy/paste/switch-applications. For switching applications, I tried setting f8 in Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> Navigation, but it didn't help; neither Alt+Tab nor f8 worked after that change. I searched the

Re: [OT]Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-22 at 09:27 +0200, Marko Randjelovic wrote: > -- > Marko Ranđelović, B.Sc. > Software Developer > Niš, Serbia > marko...@eunet.rs > http://mr.flossdaily.org > > Note: If you see a nonsense enclosed between lines > > BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE > END PGP SIGNATURE > > then this message i

[OT]Re: any utility to change ip

2013-09-22 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:21:13 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 17 iul 13, 18:43:22, Gary Dale wrote: > > > > ifconfig can be used to both query and change the ip addresses of > > network interfaces on your machine. Used with no arguments, it lists > > all known interfaces and gives a lot of i