Re: how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?

2012-11-24 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:39:03AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > [SOLVED] > Requires sudo as normal user. It's simply re permissions. > > Perhaps a NOTE in the output of systemctl to hint at this? I suggest you aim your comments (via a bug report if you wish) where they may actually be listened

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:20:03 +0100 Stefan Monnier wrote: > Decency seems to be a dying breed, sadly ;-) lunacy is very much alive however. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org A

Re: UserIDs and setups for developers

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/25/12, Gordon Haverland wrote: > On November 24, 2012, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... >> >> If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create >> multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. >> That could easily get unwieldy tho

Re: UserIDs and setups for developers

2012-11-24 Thread Gordon Haverland
On November 24, 2012, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... > > If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create > multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. > That could easily get unwieldy though... > > Where do you want emails to go?

Re: UserIDs and setups for developers

2012-11-24 Thread John Hasler
No need to create a user. /etc/aliases is what you want. man etc-aliases -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwy61lmh@thumper.dhh.gt

Re: UserIDs and setups for developers

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Just use your own email address, ghaverla@... If you want to distinguish various email addresses, create multiple (real) email addresses, and use those per-project. That could easily get unwieldy though... Where do you want emails to go? Is your code to be given away/ made public in some way? Pre

UserIDs and setups for developers

2012-11-24 Thread Gordon Haverland
My inclination from wayback was that if I had done something in perl, the email address in the documentation would be perl@ It seems that I need to get serious about some of this, and I am not quite sure what is the best way to approach this. I am guessing the running Git is the best optio

Re: how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
[SOLVED] Requires sudo as normal user. It's simply re permissions. Perhaps a NOTE in the output of systemctl to hint at this? zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://

how to systemctl status blah, showing journal/log at same time ?

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Hi, on http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemctl-journal.html (a short page) says that (for Fedora 17) they hooked up systemctl status daemon-name.blah to also give last 10 lines of journal output. Can I configure systemd this on debian? tia zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 01:14 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > > And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers > > works not so bad. > > That's a joke, right? FWIW for old computers it did work that way and

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 01:11 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 24 nov 12, 02:50:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > PS: It's completely useless to run a web browser with root privileges. > > Especially on a computer without *any* network access :D Oops, a bad example :D. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/25/12, Michael Biebl wrote: > On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness >> wrote: >>> >>> Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? >>> >>> Eg: >>> $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed >>> Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing t

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 22 nov 12, 22:30:54, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > And, seriously, windows users do that by default and their computers > works not so bad. That's a joke, right? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mail

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 24 nov 12, 02:50:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > PS: It's completely useless to run a web browser with root privileges. Especially on a computer without *any* network access :D SCNR Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.or

Re: Can Debian's paranoia be tamed

2012-11-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 nov 12, 17:04:27, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > On Ubuntu distros set up like that, 'sudo su' has worked on the rare > occasion a root shell prompt was needed. Why bother with su? sudo can start a shell as well and you don't even need to type its name (hint: -i or -s). Kind regards, Andr

Re: xfwm4 failure and fix

2012-11-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 17:51 -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > Hello, all: > > Just fyi, on a recent restart of my testing machine with xfce, my > window manager appeared broken (no workspaces, no title bars, etc.). > Googling revealed that xfwm4, for reasons unexplained, had not been > restored when

xfwm4 failure and fix

2012-11-24 Thread Patrick Wiseman
Hello, all: Just fyi, on a recent restart of my testing machine with xfce, my window manager appeared broken (no workspaces, no title bars, etc.). Googling revealed that xfwm4, for reasons unexplained, had not been restored when the session restarted. One suggestion was Alt-F2 which, in xfce, brin

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-24 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/24/2012 05:06 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote: On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Thinkpad. Avoid ATI

Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang

2012-11-24 Thread Michael Biebl
On 24.11.2012 14:40, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? >> >> Eg: >> $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed >> Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname >> might make it unresolveabl

Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/25/12, Wolf Halton wrote: > right. > usermod makes changes to user. > useradd is not interactive, so makes an automated script for adding many > users more possible to write. including setting nonstandard home directory > or extra groups. > adduser is interactive but does not let you put a

Re: /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang

2012-11-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? > > Eg: > $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed > Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname > might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! > # hang'

Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod

2012-11-24 Thread Wolf Halton
right. usermod makes changes to user. useradd is not interactive, so makes an automated script for adding many users more possible to write. including setting nonstandard home directory or extra groups. adduser is interactive but does not let you put a user in multiple groups, i don't think. Wolf

Re: vim -- adduser vs useradd/usermod

2012-11-24 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 07:56:24AM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2012 23 Nov 06:14 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Vi, 16 nov 12, 16:33:17, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > * On 2012 16 Nov 14:02 -0600, james gray wrote: > > > > i am using vim to add the one and only name in a usr account t

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-24 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:02PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 08:48:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-11-22 at 11:35 -0500, Doug wrote: > > > Altho some of the Linux commands that seem to be specific to certain > > > distros > > > > Some distros use ali

Re: OT: Seeking Advice on Purchasing a Laptop

2012-11-24 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:02:42AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/24/12, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Vi, 23 nov 12, 07:25:29, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> * On 2012 23 Nov 05:43 -0600, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> > > >> > Thinkpad. Avoid ATI graphics if possible. > >> > >> Why? I've had good

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-11-24 12:17 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> Here are my attempts: >> >> $ colortail -f <(systemd-journalctl -f) >> Showing user generated messages only. Users in the group 'adm' can see >> all messages. Pass -q to turn this message off. >> ==> /dev/fd/6

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-24 12:17 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> It reports /dev/fd/63 here. Since I did not boot with systemd as PID 1, > I get the same > >> I tested with "colortail -f <(tail -f /var/log/auth.log)", however. > Yes, this works. > > Here are my attempts:

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
# OK, baseline check, these work for me as user: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog sudo colortail -f /var/log/syslog systemd-journalctl -f sudo systemd-journalctl -f # these also work as user (no -f after journalctl, so not useful): tail -f <(systemd-journalctl) colortail -f <(systemd-journalctl) tail

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-11-24 11:36 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> Probably "colortail -f <(systemd-journalctl -f)" will do the trick. >> >> This doesn't work - I guess "<" is still a redirection to stdin or >> something. > > No. thanks f

/lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed hang

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Any idea how to make use of systemd-hostnamed? Eg: $ sudo /lib/systemd/systemd-hostnamed Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname! # hang's at this point, apparently indefinitely... tia zenaan -- To UNSUBSC

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-24 11:36 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: >> Probably "colortail -f <(systemd-journalctl -f)" will do the trick. > > This doesn't work - I guess "<" is still a redirection to stdin or something. No. > For colortail, we need to auto-generate the corres

Re: change hostname without rebooting [SOLVED]

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/24/12, Tom H wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> # Me, wonders why systemd-hostnamed does not run, google says it should: >> >> $ echo $PATH >> /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin:/home/justa/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/24/12, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-11-24 08:59 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> colortail is not a full replacement for tail - namely, it precludes >> pipe/|/stdin >> >> systemd-journalctl -f gives a non colorized output. >> >> Here's my failed attempt to fool colortail into accepting a

Re: change hostname without rebooting

2012-11-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > # Me, wonders why systemd-hostnamed does not run, google says it should: > > $ echo $PATH > /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin:/home/justa/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games > > $ dpkg -L systemd|grep hos

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Good morning Zenaan, good morning Chris, I'll reconsider to test aliases again. Usually I use the tab key, the cursor keys and my fingers type some commands automagically. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trou

Re: fooling a non-"stdin redirection accepting" app (colortail)??

2012-11-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-24 08:59 +0100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > colortail is not a full replacement for tail - namely, it precludes > pipe/|/stdin > > systemd-journalctl -f gives a non colorized output. > > Here's my failed attempt to fool colortail into accepting a bash file > descriptor in order to pipe jo