Re: Identify PCI/PCI-X/AGP devices nature

2012-11-21 Thread ed mente
> Is it possible to find out what kind of PCI/PCI-X/AGP device is > installed on a PC? you can start by running lspci -vv -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.

Re: Bug#693843: systemd hangs on fstab "directory" bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Is there a ways for this to be slightly less bite-ing for systemd newbies such as myself? Perhaps a timeout of just 20s, plus a big loud syslog msg or something rather than a 2 to 5 minute hang? Just a thought, to assist the impatient who might otherwise be lured into systemd land :) Kind regards Z

Re: Bug#693843: systemd hangs on fstab "directory" bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Zenaan Harkness > My brown paper bag moment (I was evidently not quite as rigorous in my > one-change-at-a-time methodology as I thought I was) is my failure to > add "noauto" or "comment=systemd.automount" to my USB rescue > "automount". Ooops. :-) Closing this bug, then. Thanks for tracki

Identify PCI/PCI-X/AGP devices nature

2012-11-21 Thread George Chelidze
Hello, Is it possible to find out what kind of PCI/PCI-X/AGP device is installed on a PC? (CentOS/RedHat bases boxes). In other words, if a system has two video cards and I know for sure that one is onboard card, how can I find out which one is it. The same applies to all PCI/PCI-X/AGP device

Re: systemd hangs on fstab "directory" bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
PS, This is still just an assumption, as I don't have a photographic memory of every command I ran over the last week, but it's the only way I can recreate something that appears similar/same as I experienced before, so it seems to me, the most likely possibility. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: "sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t" blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 11/22/12, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > pc A, wheezy, /sbin/init, lenovo x220 laptop > > pc B, aka "target", wheezy, alternately boot with /sbin/init and > /bin/systemd, asus eee701 mini laptop > > # Boot pc B with init=/sbin/init > # Sequence as run from pc A: > unset LS_COLORS > unalias ls > cd /t

Re: "sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t" blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Booting pc A with systemd to run this sshd killing and not restarting properly sequence, I can't reproduce this stop/kill/start sequence failure, even with a manual kill -9 $SSHD-PID thrown in the sequence on pc B. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: systemd hangs on fstab "directory" bindmount

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
OK, speaking of gooses, I've discovered the goose is me. I've just spent an hour testing and retesting, trying to recreate the problem! Quite exasperating. So I went back to previous versions of fstab, finally digging up an old internal IDE drive from a previous laptop, to find what I'd somehow cha

Re: Can;t fix doc-base installation problem

2012-11-21 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:49:03AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote: > Hi everyone: > > I've had to restore one of my systems from cold iron. Aptitude seems I guerss you are using unstable. > to be hanging up when trying to install / purge / update doc-base. > I've tried Aptitude, dpkg and apt-get includ

Re: "sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t" blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Having run systemctl kill ssh.service, I wanted to log back in to pc B, from pc A, and to run further tests, so I ran: systemctl start ssh.service systemctl status ssh.service, and I git a nice green "active, running" entry in the output, but alas, no sshd is running, only an sftp-server! systemc

"sshfs target:/ t; ls -lF t" blocks for a long time, when target PC uses systemd

2012-11-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
pc A, wheezy, /sbin/init, lenovo x220 laptop pc B, aka "target", wheezy, alternately boot with /sbin/init and /bin/systemd, asus eee701 mini laptop # Boot pc B with init=/sbin/init # Sequence as run from pc A: unset LS_COLORS unalias ls cd /tmp mkdir t sshfs target:/ t ls ls -l ls -lF cd t ls ls

Re: Can;t fix doc-base installation problem

2012-11-21 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/20/2012 10:49 AM, Gary Roach wrote: Hi everyone: I've had to restore one of my systems from cold iron. Aptitude seems to be hanging up when trying to install / purge / update doc-base. I've tried Aptitude, dpkg and apt-get including the -f switch with no joy. Below is a typical example

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 23:28 +0100, François TOURDE wrote: > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > Lisi Reisz écrivait: > > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: > >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in > >> this first use in 1982: > > > > That is what i

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Following up to myself here, since I just discovered something which might be a clue As previously noted, my smart phone's mail program has absolutely no problems accessing the IMAP sever (Dovecot). I can read new mail, old mail, whatever - no hanging, no extra login connections showing up in

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Rob Owens
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23:42PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: > Hi all, > > While still trying to figure out why Thunderbird isn't working so well > with Dovecot, I figured I'd move onto another mystery; thought I'd seek > out some opinions here. :-) > > When setting up Linux systems, I've alway

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: >> > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 >> > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: >> > >> > > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a >> > > computer ;) >> >

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Lisi Reisz écrivait: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in >> this first use in 1982: > > That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just > over half

RE: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Mark Allums
> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".". > > Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full > stop", and by the United States Americans as "point", I think. Depends on context.

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 21:28 +, Joe wrote: > I use dpkg [...] if I need to install a .deb I do the same. Usually I build packages, instead of running "make install" and I don't have my own repository. > > mc > Indeed. I never went the vi/emacs route since cooledit in mc does all > the admin wo

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Claudius Hubig
Hello David, David Guntner wrote: > swap *file* instead. > > So, anyone? Pros & cons? Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? Are you sure you need swap at all? If so, will your server still deliver acceptable performance if it is actively swapping? If yes, then the performance of t

Re: Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread Kelly Clowers
Pretty sure the partition is far more common. The file version is there if you need it, but hopefully you don't. Having the pages sit in a file on top of a filesystem just adds some extra layers, probably decreases performance a bit, AFAIK On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:23 PM, David Guntner wrote: >

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Joe
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:02:56 -0600 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Crypticmofo wrote: > > > > What i really want are real life uses everyday ie.. do you use a > > lot of dpkg commands do you use a lot of apt or aptitude commands > > everday I use dpkg when I'm in trouble, or if I need to install a .d

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 12:21 -0800, Gary Roach wrote: > It is really frustrating when you know there is a command that you > used 2 years ago that is exactly what you need but can't remember its > name. Is there a way to get some smarter autocompletion? Assumed I can't rember the command name "umo

Re: Graphic-Card-Resolution in GUI affects blanking virtual-consoles(tty1 etc.)

2012-11-21 Thread Herbert Schwarzer
> Yeah, but why does it take several seconds? > Have you tried another DE/WM combination? > So, really in fact, you want to run KDE at a higher resolution than what > your card is capable of? I don't know why the virtual consoles go BLANK only after about 20 seconds, it seems to be a problem

Swap partition vs swap file

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Hi all, While still trying to figure out why Thunderbird isn't working so well with Dovecot, I figured I'd move onto another mystery; thought I'd seek out some opinions here. :-) When setting up Linux systems, I've always set up a separate swap partition. I was reading a few days ago that appare

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Gary Roach
On 11/21/2012 06:02 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of

Re: Outrageous sexism

2012-11-21 Thread Paul Lewis
On 21/11/12 19:46:20, Siard wrote: > Wait, don't go! ;-) Seconded. > I'm surprised that so much fuss is made about this. Agreed. Surely something that could have been dealt with off list? ___ News is what somebody somewhere wants to

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
Florian Snow wrote: Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original "joke", but is it really necessary to make an already heated debate worse by making statements like yours? Ralf already explained that he actually meant to apologize and didn't ask for an apology and others already

Re: Outrageous sexism

2012-11-21 Thread Siard
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I guess I'll unsubscribe. IMO it became ridiculous. I wasn't > over-careful, IMO that's all. Wait, don't go! ;-) Here at the European side of the Atlantic, jokes about women as wel as men are very common, they are utterly harmless and no one takes them seriously. My observat

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Florian Snow
Lisi Reisz : On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote: "Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else. He probably is! Ok, I understand that you were offended by Ralf's original "joke", but is it really necessary to make an already heated debate worse by ma

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Soare Catalin
On Nov 21, 2012 7:57 PM, "Siard" wrote: > > Jochen Spieker: > > Morel Bérenger: > > > $man dc > > > => "reverse-polish" ? What is it? It is surely not for simple > > > calculations and conversions... > > > > That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. > > No, dc is a perfect tool

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 -0300, Beco wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: > >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in > >> this first use in 1982: > > > > That is what is so very offens

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Beco
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: >> Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in >> this first use in 1982: > > That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just > over half o

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 18:12 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour > > I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other > person involv

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 19:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > > > > > > > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a > > > > computer ;) >

Re: Denigrating messages on Debian lists [Re: [ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...]]

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:28 -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > > > > > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a > > > computer ;) > > > > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. > > Sending mess

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:41:08 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hello Ralf, >I'm not sure, if it's really just the language barrier. Coarse humour I picked up your intent, but clearly others didn't. At least one other person involved in this rigmarole is not a native English speaker. As such, it's ess

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Siard
Jochen Spieker: > Morel Bérenger: > > $man dc > > => "reverse-polish" ? What is it? It is surely not for simple > > calculations and conversions... > > That's probably only for majors in maths or computer science. No, dc is a perfect tool for simple calculations and conversions. Instead of enter

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 17:46 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: > > Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in > > this first use in 1982: > > That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just > over h

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 17:13:18 Brad Rogers wrote: > >Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I > > You should say either "I apologise" or "My apologies". > > "Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else. He probably is! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:55:22 Beco wrote: > Use of smiley face should point this was just a joke. As we can see in > this first use in 1982: That is what is so very offensive. He thinks that being so rude about just over half of the population is _funny_. As apparently do you. Lisi -

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 17:13 +, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:20 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hello Ralf, > > >Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I > > You should say either "I apologise" or "My apologies". > > "Apologize!" means you're deman

Re: Awk, filtering match through external command

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Davies
Neal Murphy wrote: > I don't see a way to pipe both ends of an external command. I'm not sure > even *perl* could do that. It can [*], see IPC::Open2 and IPC::Open3. But you can end up with all sorts of buffer related race conditions. Chris -- [*] are you really surprised? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 18:04 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Darac Marjal: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > >>> > >>> Actually, that is quite sexist. In fact, it's plain and simply sexist > >>> which is in

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:20 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hello Ralf, >Since I'm kill-filed you can't read it any more. Apologize! But I You should say either "I apologise" or "My apologies". "Apologize!" means you're demanding an apology from someone else. -- Regards _ / )

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Darac Marjal: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: >>> >>> Actually, that is quite sexist. In fact, it's plain and simply sexist >>> which is inappropriate in this community. >> >> Apologize! > > I most certainl

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:43 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > > > fr

Re: dpkg: overwriting file from other package fails despite diversion

2012-11-21 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2012-11-21 11:18 +0100, gator...@yahoo.de wrote: > After I made a minimal test package (which worked as expected on all > systems i tried) I eventually found the problem: > My package name contained a hyphen ("-"), but in the "preinst" script > I had used an underscore ("_") instead, so the div

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
"Morel Bérenger": > Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> >>> galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", >>> OTOH >>> gcalctool does completely display what you typed. >> >> Whats wr

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Beco
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. >> >> It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as >

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi Reisz: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. > > It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as > well? I think you got Ralf wrong. He did not want to express that women are not human but "to make

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 16:43:33 Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > >

Re: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:34 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. > > It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as > well? > > I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-f

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".". > > Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full > stop", and by the United Stat

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 05:41:08PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > > > > > > > - Errare

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > Ok, so your assumption is that some connections to Dovecot hang for an > unknown reason and that's why Thunderbird creates new ones? In order to > debug that, I would increase logfile verbosity für Dovecot (probably > including authentication logging)

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 16:00 +, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > > > > > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a > > > computer ;) > >

Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:51:24 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. It is, extremely. My husband says do you not think a woman is humanum as well? I'm going to protect myself from you by kill-filing you. You are utterly, utterly beyond the pale. Lisi --

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 15:47:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The num pad on the German keyboard has got a "," instead of a ".". Use the . from the main part of the keyboard. Known by the English as "full stop", and by the United States Americans as "point", I think. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:51:24PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 > fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > > > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a > > computer ;) > > :D > > Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. Actually, that i

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:10:11 +0100 fra...@tourde.org (François TOURDE) wrote: > - Errare humanum est, but to make a big mistake, you need a > computer ;) :D Or a woman. I hope this isn't too sexist. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:29:20 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > galculator > > is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", OTOH > > gcalctool does completely display what you typed. > > Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) Germ

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > David Guntner: >> Thunderbird isn't >> supposed to be opening a new connection with each message it tries to >> read; it should just read them with the one connection it has. > > Well, it usually uses more than one connection. I'd still try reducing >

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 21 novembre 2012 15:29, Chris Bannister a écrit : > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> galculator is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", >> OTOH >> gcalctool does completely display what you typed. > > Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) $man bc =

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
John L. Cunningham grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:44:29PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: >> Well, at least not completely. I've got Dovecot up and running, but for >> some reason, Thunderbird won't work with it quite right. I'll select an >> unread message, and the header

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
David Guntner: > Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >> Dovecot limits both the total number of parallel connections and the >> number of connections per user (or per client IP address, don't >> remember). Either increase that or reduce the number of connections >> Thunderbird uses. >

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:05:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > galculator > is very good, if you have a num pad where the "." is a ",", OTOH > gcalctool does completely display what you typed. Whats wrong with bc/dc? :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people w

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:44:29PM -0800, David Guntner wrote: > Well, at least not completely. I've got Dovecot up and running, but for > some reason, Thunderbird won't work with it quite right. I'll select an > unread message, and the header will change in the display, but the body > doesn't ap

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:54:07AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:40 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > > > Yes, there are some useful shortcuts. I guess tty is unimportant at the > > > moment, but e.g. Alt+F2 is useful to launch an app and Ctrl+Alt+F7 is > > > useful, if a new

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 14:01:53 Brad Alexander wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, "Morel Bérenger" > > wrote: > > I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and > > title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike > > those which do not even

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
Jochen Spieker grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > David Guntner: >> >> Watching the syslog, I can see what's happening when I move to another >> message is that a *new* login connection is being established (without >> closing the old one) with the IMAP server. After I've moved around >> enough times

Difference between hijack and sub thread (was ... Re: OT: Sources.list Question)

2012-11-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:09:54PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all > kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a > subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we > try to be better

Preseeding german keyboard layout in Wheezy

2012-11-21 Thread Bernhard Schmidt
Hi, I'm currently trying to streamline our Debian deployment using preseeding and I'm having issues setting a German keyboard layout. I use Wheezy daily 20121114 at the moment. Goals: - installer should be English - the country should be set to Germany (so timezone is okay) - default locale of th

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread David Guntner
One other thing to add here - Upon initial connection, TB has no problems getting the list of messages. That pops up right away. It's only when selecting an unread message that it hangs as described below. It flags the message as "read" but never gets off "downloading message" until I click

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Crypticmofo wrote: Hello I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list of the most common commands that you use I alread

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Alexander
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and > title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled, unlike > those which do not even try to know about flows or do that by subjects. > And, honestly, I think

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Morel Bérenger
> According to mutt, he hijacked crypticmofo's "Guide / Tools" thread. But > on closer inspection I don't see any reference to that thread in Fred's > post. > > Odd. I guess he just have made a "reply" and then removed all message and title, and softwares which think IDs are relevant were fooled,

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Linux-Fan
On 11/21/2012 03:59 AM, Crypticmofo wrote: > Hello > > I'm new to debian and i hang out in the irc channels .. i realize that > irc is there really for support so i wanted to take my question here .. > > From the more exprienced Debian users can you guys paste or post a list > of the most common

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Tom Furie
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:18:48AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43:16PM -0500, Fred White wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > It is considered (well, actually it is) rude to hijack threads on > > mailing lists.

Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > François, a good idea to open a new subject, but keeping the id. And Gnus, on reply on this kind of subjects, ask me if I want to remove the [Was: ] ... > We should be aware that newbies never ever will use (e)lisp to set up > preferences f

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Tom Furie
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:22:10AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Not needed by a newbie and quasi obsolet for many distros. > > Ok, I didn't comment everything, you mentioned several commands that IMO > are only confusing a newbie, those are also two commands that are > unimportant. The OP didn't

Re: Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
François, a good idea to open a new subject, but keeping the id. Others might think, this is bad too. I say, use a client that enables to select, as you want the selection, even if people "use" the id in different ways. > But it has powerfull possibilities, and is customisable using Lisp. > > May

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 12:23:00 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > ignore something that's hidden in the headers and > that isn't human readable, something we receive all the times, shouldn't > cause chaos. It doesn't! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a sub

Re: OT: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 12:09:54 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The main problem still is, that humans on this list count to much on all > kinds of automatic selection. An id shouldn't be that important as a > subject is. We had thousands of years of natural evolution and now we > try to be better tha

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:52 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: > > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > > > > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardor

OT: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 11:39 +0100, François TOURDE wrote: > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
Sorry, Lars. Sent to you in error. Resending to list. I fear that th ethreading may have been broken. I think that my KMail is definitely sickly. :-( On Wednesday 21 November 2012 11:16:09 Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: > ... > > > Gmail doesn't even know what a thread

Re: Thunar, USB-sticks and big files

2012-11-21 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 07:43:54PM +0100, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: > > Try 'sync' after the write is supposedly complete; see what happens > > when the system actually tries to write to the device. Open a shell > > and 'tail -f /var/log/messages' to see if anything is griping about > > the device d

RE: Netflix on Debian Linux

2012-11-21 Thread Mark Allums
> Mark, your answer was the most intriguing. So, if they are moving to > HTML5, we can expect it to work on Linux in the future, can't we? That > sounds promising. > Do you have any link to a "Roku box". Never heard of it. I have a > desktop station in my room I use to play movies with Kaffeine. I

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. > > Is there even any place to report such bugs with their mail client? Possibly https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/to-

Re: Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 11:10:46 François TOURDE wrote: > X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.0-0ubuntu3 > > As marked on his message. Do'h. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lars Noodén
On 11/21/12, Lisi Reisz wrote: ... > Gmail doesn't even know what a thread is. It goes purely by subject. ... Is there even any place to report such bugs with their mail client? Regards /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Mail client, threads, etc... [Was: Sources.list Question]

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Lisi Reisz écrivait: > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: [...] >> >> Lisi, consider change or upgrade your client ;) > > Obviously!! This is the first time, to my knowledge, that it has let me > down, > but one could say once is too oft

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 21 November 2012 10:39:46 François TOURDE wrote: > Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, > > Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wro

Re: Thunderbird not working with Dovecot

2012-11-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
David Guntner: > > Watching the syslog, I can see what's happening when I move to another > message is that a *new* login connection is being established (without > closing the old one) with the IMAP server. After I've moved around > enough times, the server logs a note saying that I've exceeded

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread François TOURDE
Le 15665ième jour après Epoch, Ralf Mardorf écrivait: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:27 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Wednesday 21 November 2012 09:22:57 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 09:18 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> > > On Wednesday 21 November 2012 08:53:38 Chris Bannister wrote:

Re: Sources.list Question

2012-11-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:27:34 + Lisi Reisz wrote: Hello Lisi, >Quite. Exactly. And Chris said that he hijacked the thread. He did; Crypticmofo's Guide/Tools post. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Your fat

Re: dpkg: overwriting file from other package fails despite diversion

2012-11-21 Thread gator_ml
On 2012-11-20 20:08, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2012-11-19 10:17 +0100, gator...@yahoo.de wrote: >> In order to be able to overwrite "foreign" files without triggering a >> conflict, I install diversions for the files in question. As described >> in the policy manual >> (http://www.debian.org/doc/deb

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Morel Bérenger
> PS: Please reply to the list only. Sorry for that, I am using a webmail quite primitive, and I regularly forgot to check all fields... I should search for a portable and lightweight but good software for such kind of things, I guess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debia

Re: Guide / Tools

2012-11-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 10:36 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > > > To read about globbing is very important. Simply using wildcards could > > > cause serious issues. > > What is globbing, and which issues can cause wildcards? > > $ touch .test

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