Re: Does anyone understand terminal job control?

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 11:15:46PM +0100, Mirko Parthey was heard to say: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 04:58:13PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > directly under my controller process. It's not even that they're > > starting as foreground processes: I can start them without access to > > the contro

Re: Does anyone understand terminal job control?

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:58:51AM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" was heard to say: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:52:34PM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: > > 2009/2/8 Daniel Burrows : > > > Hello list, > > > > > > I've been banging my head on this one for a while. > > > > > > I have a need to write some c

Re: Laptop

2009-02-08 Thread Chris Jones
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:53:59PM EST, Chris Jones wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 01:00:49PM EST, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Finjan, Salam wrote: > > > Hallo, > > > ich will einen Laptop kaufen. > > > > > > Gibt es überhaupt einen L

Re: Does anyone understand terminal job control?

2009-02-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:52:34PM +1000, Adrian Levi was heard to say: > 2009/2/8 Daniel Burrows : > > Hello list, > > > > I've been banging my head on this one for a while. > > > > I have a need to write some code that can manage job control on a > > terminal. More specifically, I need to r

Re: device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread Arthur Marsh
Frederik Kriewitz wrote, on 2009-02-09 07:49: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM, ghe wrote: I'm hoping this is all in a huge state of flux, and that somebody smarter than I am will figure out a simple and reliable solution to it all. Have a look at /dev/disk/by-* Bug#514209: Acknowledgement

Re: Fwd: ogg quality problem with ffmpeg

2009-02-08 Thread samk
See Thread at: http://www.techienuggets.com/Detail?tx=27951 Posted on behalf of a User You should never do is use the ?-acodec vorbis? option of ffmpeg as described here. Instead use ?-acodec libvorbis?. This small change is very important. The former uses the the internal FFMPEG encoder, the l

Re: Strange arp problem

2009-02-08 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:05:36 +1100 Alex Samad wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:25:55PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > [back on list] > > > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:06:16 +1100 > > Alex Samad wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:20:58AM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:13:

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:38:46PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 02/08/2009 04:10 PM, Alex Samad wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:56:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> 2009/2/7 Alex Samad: [snip] > > But it's your sig, no? (It was in neither Ed Kalinkowski nor Nagy > Daniel's emails, only

Re: Strange arp problem

2009-02-08 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:25:55PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > [back on list] > > On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:06:16 +1100 > Alex Samad wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:20:58AM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:13:11 +1100 > > > Alex Samad wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/08/2009 04:10 PM, Alex Samad wrote: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:56:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/2/7 Alex Samad: systemimager mondoresue Ladies and gentlemen, we have a record! 68 Lines in emaiI: 2 original lines (one word each) 25 Quoted lines 26 Lines of sig! okay in my defence

Re: Where to get superseded package versions

2009-02-08 Thread Daryl Styrk
David Jarvie wrote: > Hibernate/suspend has stopped working on my laptop (running lenny) since > updating acpi-support and other packages in December. Where can I get the pre- > update packages from, to try reinstalling? snapshot.debian.net hasn't had any > new versions of acpi-support since Dece

re: postgresql postrm script needs work

2009-02-08 Thread Jude DaShiell
I forgot to mention tiger had also been installed on this system. When tiger got removed earlier today, all the sudden a whole bunch of postgresql packages were removed with it. Apparently there was some kind of dependencies issues with stuff in the tiger packages. I am puzzled by this since

Where to get superseded package versions

2009-02-08 Thread David Jarvie
Hibernate/suspend has stopped working on my laptop (running lenny) since updating acpi-support and other packages in December. Where can I get the pre- update packages from, to try reinstalling? snapshot.debian.net hasn't had any new versions of acpi-support since December 2007 - is there an alte

Re: Does anyone understand terminal job control?

2009-02-08 Thread Mirko Parthey
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 04:58:13PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote: > directly under my controller process. It's not even that they're > starting as foreground processes: I can start them without access to > the controlling terminal, and they never see a SIGTTIN. What do you mean by: "without access

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 12:14:20 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Sure, C has ANSI (ISO) standards, but every compiler (including gcc) has > extensions to it that one almost has to use to get things done. I disagree that you *have* to use compiler extensions. It takes discipline, but it's possible t

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:04:42 Martin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > Yay! for standards. It's one of the reasons I recommend C, which > > not only has a backing standard, but also standardized bindings to > > OS level interfaces. I wish t

Re: ICH10 (Intel 82801)

2009-02-08 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 07:19:24PM -0300, Guillermo Miloqui wrote: > I have the following problem and I am not able to solve it, I am > installing the debian 40r6 etchnhalf in a computer which I have > recently bought, this one has a INTEL DQ45CB motherboard, this mother > brings the ICH10(intel 82

Hplip device communication error 5012

2009-02-08 Thread Rob Singelais
I installed the hplip package and when I open the hp-toolbox as a user I get this error under status that says "Device communication error 5012". If I start hp-toolbox as root I don't get this error. Is this a permission error, how would I correct this? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Strange arp problem

2009-02-08 Thread Celejar
[back on list] On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:06:16 +1100 Alex Samad wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:20:58AM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:13:11 +1100 > > Alex Samad wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:10:43PM -0500, Celejar wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > > The AP should

ICH10 (Intel 82801)

2009-02-08 Thread Guillermo Miloqui
I have the following problem and I am not able to solve it, I am installing the debian 40r6 etchnhalf in a computer which I have recently bought, this one has a INTEL DQ45CB motherboard, this mother brings the ICH10(intel 82801) controller, the kernel which offers the debian 40r6 version etchnhalf,

Re: device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:51:12PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > Hi, > > What are the advantages by using > drives are now identified by UUID > over than /dev/xxx; you don't have to worry about ordering. I prefer to LABEL. that way it doesn't matter what order the disks are found they alw

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Alex Samad
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:56:45PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > 2009/2/7 Alex Samad: > > systemimager > > mondoresue > > Ladies and gentlemen, we have a record! > > 68 Lines in emaiI: > 2 original lines (one word each) > 25 Quoted lines > 26 Lines of sig! okay in my defence I didn't see the sig's

Re: -- SPAM -- rc.local is not executed

2009-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/08/2009 01:45 PM, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: Hi, I used /etc/rc.local to run at the boot a program, but it didn't, here is what I wrote # In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution # bits. # # By default this script does nothing. /usr/bin/minbar Everything in my

Re: iceweasel segfault

2009-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/07/2009 02:36 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: [snip] But I can't scroll the doc. When the mouse pointer is "in" the document and you left-click, a "hand" icon appears. You can then drag the doc up or down. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacif

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread John Hasler
Martin writes: > Hehe... You want to change (edit) the standard? Perhaps he wants to quote portions of it in another document, or perhaps he wants to use it as a template for writing a different standard. What's the harm, as long as he can't call his derivative the official standard (and he can't

Re: Linux_logo displays BSD logo by Default

2009-02-08 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Kuang Chen wrote: > Hi, > > I have no idea why BSD logo shows up by default upon entering > "Linux_logo" at command line. I can find Debian logo using "Linux_logo -L > 14". Any suggestions? Read documentation and specify needed logo in the config? -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: j

Linux_logo displays BSD logo by Default

2009-02-08 Thread Kuang Chen
Hi, I have no idea why BSD logo shows up by default upon entering "Linux_logo" at command line. I can find Debian logo using "Linux_logo -L 14". Any suggestions? Thanks, Kuang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troub

Re: device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread Frederik Kriewitz
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM, ghe wrote: > I'm hoping this is all in a huge state of flux, and that somebody > smarter than I am will figure out a simple and reliable solution to it all. Have a look at /dev/disk/by-* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a s

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Martin
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:24:58PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > Yay! for standards. It's one of the reasons I recommend C, which > not only has a backing standard, but also standardized bindings to > OS level interfaces. I wish the standard was freely available http://open-std.org/jtc

Re: device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread ghe
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Roth wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:51:12PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: >> >> What are the advantages by using >> drives are now identified by UUID >> over than /dev/xxx; > Your mounts in /etc/fstab will not be broken when > you de

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> For linux partitions (ext3), however I prefer 'rsync -a', since it > copies files and is more efficient IMHO. This applies especially, if you > just want to update a few files on the already installed systems. (With `rsync' also has the advantage that if something happens during the clone, you c

Re: device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:51:12PM +0100, Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: > Hi, > > What are the advantages by using > drives are now identified by UUID > over than /dev/xxx; Your mounts in /etc/fstab will not be broken when you delete a partition, or perform other operations that change the /dev/x

device UUID versus /dev

2009-02-08 Thread Abdelkader Belahcene
Hi, What are the advantages by using drives are now identified by UUID over than /dev/xxx; thanks bela -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

rc.local is not executed

2009-02-08 Thread Abdelkader Belahcene
Hi, I used /etc/rc.local to run at the boot a program, but it didn't, here is what I wrote # In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution # bits. # # By default this script does nothing. /usr/bin/minbar When I added the command as a script in /etc/rc2.d, it worked correct

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 11:13:22AM -0500, Jeff Soules wrote: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > In 10 years, if you want to change the program, you need to change the > source and recompile, just like with C. The issue is just that the > language is still changing, so t

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:49:08AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Well, to be fair, who is really to say the compiler will go missing? > I've never heard of a popular language's compiler/interpretor going > missing, especially considering that every Linux distribution mirrors > it. > > I bet tha

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Jochen Schulz
Andrew Malcolmson: > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kevin wrote: > ... >> Python is object oriented and as such is useful if you specifically want to >> learn nice, clean object oriented language. However its not a good start if >> you want to then move to another language. > > Why would that be

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Jeff Soules
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > Someone has a python compiler (*.py to an executable)? Yes, I know that > python *.py modules get "compiled" into *.pyc byte-code but that still > has to go through the python interpreter. Also, what happens in 10 > years when I want to

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Andrew Malcolmson
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Kevin wrote: ... > Python is object oriented and as such is useful if you specifically want to > learn nice, clean object oriented language. However its not a good start if > you want to then move to another language. Why would that be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:13:13AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:56:48AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:20:30PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 200

Re: 24 bit usb sound on lenny

2009-02-08 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:55:36PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Joel! > > Joel Roth wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 03:54:41PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > >> Hallo all! > >> > >> On switching my usb sound card to 24bit audio, all applications using > >> the

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Kevin
Micha Feigin wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:25:31 +0100 Abdelkader Belahcene wrote: HI, There are many and many programming languages (mainly : C,C++,java, Shell, Perl, python, php). which learn and use, in which circonstances use that language instead of the other. In many situations we ca

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:29:40PM -0500, Napoleon wrote: > For learning a first language, I would highly recommend PASCAL. It puts > you in a straight jacket - but it also forces you to learn good > programming techniques. For OO programming, SmallTalk or Java. If you like Pascal as a learning

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:56:48AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 08:20:30PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:40:29AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 09:39:20AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 06, 200

Re: 24 bit usb sound on lenny

2009-02-08 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > *Does anyone have 24 bit sound working with debian lenny?* > > FWIW, I have a Terratec phase 26 usb sound card. It features a switch to > change it's audio quality settings for 16 bit/48 kHz, 24/48, 24/96. There seems to be a related bug filed at ubuntu: https://bugs

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 01:17:21AM -0500, Daryl Styrk wrote: > How about including recommended reading material along with language > recommendations and opinions? I did for Ada, and gave the web sites. There's also a good Ada section on wikipedia (and a wikibook). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: Does anyone understand terminal job control?

2009-02-08 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 05:52:34PM +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: > 2009/2/8 Daniel Burrows : > > Hello list, > > > > I've been banging my head on this one for a while. > > > > I have a need to write some code that can manage job control on a > > terminal. More specifically, I need to run a single p

Re: 24 bit usb sound on lenny

2009-02-08 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Thanks for your reply, Joel! Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 03:54:41PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Hallo all! >> >> On switching my usb sound card to 24bit audio, all applications using >> the card will crash/segfault: >> >> $ aplay led_zeppelin-houses_of_the_holy-a.wav >> Pla

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
Nagy Daniel wrote: > What's the best method for cloning a partition? [searching for an > open-source software alternateive for it :P] partimage is for 'cloning' of most types of partitions. For linux partitions (ext3), however I prefer 'rsync -a', since it copies files and is more efficient IMHO.

Re: Cloning methods

2009-02-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/2/7 Alex Samad: > systemimager > mondoresue Ladies and gentlemen, we have a record! 68 Lines in emaiI: 2 original lines (one word each) 25 Quoted lines 26 Lines of sig! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 20:27:44 -0500 Celejar wrote: > On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:18:16 +0200 > Micha Feigin wrote: > > ... > > > be written using these (same goes for python BTW). Take for example > > wicd-client and tomboy. Using 15mb real and 215mb shared for wicd-client > > (python) may be borderli

Re: No way to disable Google "safebrowsing" in IceWeasel?

2009-02-08 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
S D wrote: > You probably have Iceweasel version earlier than "Iceweasel/2.0.0.19 > (Debian-2.0.0.19-0etch1)". I remember I used to be able to do that too. Not > anymore. > No, my version is 3.0.5. 2.0.0.19 is ancient. :-) -- modem, adj.: Up-to-date, new-fangled, as in "Thoroughly

Re: Which programming Language

2009-02-08 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Sunday 08 February 2009 00:17:21 Daryl Styrk wrote: > How about including recommended reading material along with language > recommendations and opinions? I'm bad at this. I usually grab syntax+API documentation of the web (or a language standard, if I can find it) and go from there. -- Boyd