Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 00:18, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, > "Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Alfredo Valles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturda

Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Michael D Schleif
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:11:15:15:12:02-0700] scribed: > I returned from vacation today and upgraded my unstable box. After > doing so, I could no longer connect to my newsserver on localhost. > > After some poking around, I discovered that I had both /etc/init.d/inetd > and

Re: mutt, key bindings and debian mailing lists

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:10:25AM +0100, Florian Ernst wrote: > Hello 'ScruLoose'! Howdy, Flo! > On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:13:31PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > >I wonder whether the .muttrc is flexible enough to support something > >like looking for known "list" addresses when you hit r, and givin

Re: alternative to mrproject (gnome project planner)

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:37:51 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > I wish to use a project program to manage my dissertation. I need to > > be able to create and update GANTT charts. > > >

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:21:55AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > Great theory. Shame it's such a dismal failure in practice. > People have been getting "disappeared" lately in The States. Somebody > whispers "terrorist" and you get the midnight arrest, conviction in a > completely secret tribunal, fa

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:06:15PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:41, ScruLoose wrote: > > > > Well, when you look at the US figures on "firearm-related fatalities" > > being up in the tens of thousands per year... > > compared to (for example) Canada with a couple of hundred

Re: inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 22:12, Monique Y. Herman wrote: ... > So far so good. I poked through /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, and no one > there claims to know anything about /usr/sbin/inetd, which is the app > called by /etc/init.d/inetd. I'm 99% sure that it must have arrived as > part of a package, s

media -- Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong --

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya changed the subj again :-) On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Tom wrote: > The reality is 100% of the "hard-core graphic violence" you see on TV is > absolutely fake and is not even *remotely* close to the reality of what > a gun does to a human body. An actual shotgun blast is 10,000,000 times > g

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread ScruLoose
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:49:28PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 04:51, csj wrote: > > > > > > I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. > > > Cultural differences I guess. In most othe

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 23:44, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:52:00 -0800, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > The whole reason nobody likes America is we are all the people in the > > world who told the rest of ya to fuck off, we're leaving :-) >

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:49:50 -0600, "Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Alfredo Valles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 > Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance

Re: gagging - dual-boot - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > "80% - 90%" of the extra charge will be for some flavor of windoze > > > > if people are buying 20-30 systems at a time with Win2K installs > > at $200each (and upwards) ... than we just *gag* and build it for um > > .. > > - dual boot- windoze +

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:29:02 -0600, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 13:17, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Friday 14 November 2003 11:23 pm, Tom wrote: > [snip] > > > That is, the outcome was indeterminate. So anybody else who could > >

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread cr
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:01, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:08, cr wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:06, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:41, ScruLoose wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 02:09:27PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 12:41, [E

Debugging IMAP

2003-11-15 Thread moseley
I'm trying to look at the commands mutt is sending to my imap server. Specifically, I want to see why when I use ~h to look for a reply-to header mutt is fetching the entire message. The last of these three lines is causing mutt to fetch the entire message, instead of just the message header:

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 03:48:25 +0800, "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 10:52:43 -0500 > TR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Its not often that I agree with Tom. Should I be worried? > > > > > > > > > > Holy crap! I would! >

Re: tulip

2003-11-15 Thread Bob Proulx
Kent West wrote: > edit "/etc/modules" and add the single line: > tulip > > Reboot (not strictly necessary, but easy to do to accomplish what needs > to be done). Since you are adding new hardware it is okay to reboot. :-) But alternatively just load the module. modprobe tulip Yet anothe

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:52:00 -0800, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The whole reason nobody likes America is we are all the people in the > world who told the rest of ya to fuck off, we're leaving :-) ..uhmmm, you lift off firing all those nice siloed nukes? H

Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Bob Proulx
James Hosken wrote: > I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 > graphics card. I assume this means you are running a linux 2.2 kernel then? That is, sounds like you had not previously customized your kernel? Just using a 2.2 and now want to install 2.4? In tha

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:47:27 -0800, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:12:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > That movie's writer/director, Michael Moore, *hates* people who > > d

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 06:05:35AM +, ben wrote: > > there is definitely a huge gap between how one imagines something to be > and to witness the actual event of the same. you're absolutely right, > and to shock people into civility might not be a bad idea; one which > might be the reason why

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:11:02 -0800 Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:59:18PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > [massive snip] > > It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this (common) > > viewpoint is that guns have *always* been common in the US. > > > > Something has

Re: Software Patents

2003-11-15 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:57:32PM -0800, Loren M Lang wrote: > I'm preparing a pursuasive speech against software patents for my > class and I'm looking for information on patents that have had the > biggest impact to inhibit the use of software like the patent on the > lzw compression used in gi

Re: gagging - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:06:50 -0800 (PST), Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote: ..booo, Alvin. "..and I???" ;-) > > > ..sure, but Vikki also plans to sell customized boxes. > > > On these, I would sell Sarge. > >

Software Patents

2003-11-15 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm preparing a pursuasive speech against software patents for my class and I'm looking for information on patents that have had the biggest impact to inhibit the use of software like the patent on the lzw compression used in gif or the patent on xorin

Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:41:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vikki Roemer) wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:48:33PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Doubly so with the whole > > Fedora fiasco (which is one of the reasons why I am no longer a RHAT > > shareholder).

OT: Linux 2.6.0-test9 Running for 24 hours!

2003-11-15 Thread Loren M Lang
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've just recently install a test kernel for linux 2.6 and I've had it running solid for 24 hours running in X!!! Sorry, but just had to let out the excitement as this is the first time I've ever tried running any kernel that was not considered an off

Re: Smart-Card based Security

2003-11-15 Thread Wesley J Landaker
On Saturday 15 November 2003 8:48 pm, techlists wrote: > I have a Smart-Card reader, and I am wanting to set up a smart-card > based login security. Where a user must insert a smart-card to login > successfully. > > Does anyone have any experience with something like this? Are there > any project

Re: KDE desktop sharing through router

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:27, Paul William wrote: > setup a vnc server on your desktop and then forward the vnc port (port > forwarding) thought your router to your desktop. If this does not make > sense search google from "vnc" and do another search for "port > forwarding" > > On Sun, 2003-11-16 a

Smart-Card based Security

2003-11-15 Thread techlists
I have a Smart-Card reader, and I am wanting to set up a smart-card based login security. Where a user must insert a smart-card to login successfully. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? Are there any projects that deal with this sort of thing? Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: odd df results

2003-11-15 Thread Jeffrey L. Taylor
QUOTING JEFFREY L. TAYLOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > QUOTING JEFFREY L. TAYLOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > QUOTING RON JOHNSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > ON TUE, 2003-11-11 AT 19:44, JEFFREY L. TAYLOR WROTE: > > > > QUOTING RON JOHNSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > ON TUE, 2003-11-11 AT 17:14, JEFFREY L.

Re: tulip

2003-11-15 Thread Kent West
paul valley wrote: Hi all: I will be leaving M$ :-[ behind soon and installing debian :-) :-) :-) however theres a problem i need to address on two fronts First i have fjound that i have a linksys pci nic which means i have the tulip driver :-( A how can i install this with minimal fuss becau

Re: Virus from german Debian Mirror ?

2003-11-15 Thread Paul William
email the debian ftpmaster. Find his email address on debian.org On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 12:28, Joachim Baumann wrote: > Hi, > > when installing a Debian today from CDs all seemed well until we > installed two additional packages using a mirror (zlib-dev and > jpeg-something). > We also updated t

Re: KDE desktop sharing through router

2003-11-15 Thread Paul William
setup a vnc server on your desktop and then forward the vnc port (port forwarding) thought your router to your desktop. If this does not make sense search google from "vnc" and do another search for "port forwarding" On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 11:03, Trey Sizemore wrote: > I want to use the KDE Desktop

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 19:28, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > I wonder if, in some ways, the US isn't too big/diverse to be led > > by any one person, and distinctive personalities can only e

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:59:18PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [massive snip] > It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this (common) viewpoint > is that guns have *always* been common in the US. > > Something has happened, though, to alter peoples' value of life. > In 1981, when I graduated

tulip

2003-11-15 Thread paul valley
Hi all: I will be leaving M$ :-[ behind soon and installing debian :-) :-) :-) however theres a problem i need to address on two fronts First i have fjound that i have a linksys pci nic which means i have the tulip driver :-( A how can i install this with minimal fuss because the second half

Re: Debian for enterprise

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:24:52 -0600 Jesse Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > =[CON]=== > == Debian-stable (the branch you want to be using for servers) tends > to be several months to a year behind the bleeding edge. This bother

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 21:06, ben wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:03:44 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [big snip] > > Inherently violent society? No, can't be, because the US didn't > > used to be violent. Maybe there was a "latently violent tendency" > > (that's not present in m

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 18:21, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 > Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance > sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS:

Re: LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, stan wrote: > I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. > > I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful > replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( > > In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn re

Re: LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 at 01:41 GMT, stan penned: > I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main > workstation. > > I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful > replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( > > In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partion

Re: Theoretical APT question

2003-11-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:01:42PM -0800, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: > Is there any way I can reset the directory/partition that apt uses > to install software? I believe it currently install packages under > /usr... and /var Debian packages aren't relocatable, I'm afraid. Their maintainer scripts

Re: Sociological question about Debian, GNU, and Linux

2003-11-15 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:36:50PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > The recent discussions of Red Hat's change of policy got me thinking > about the larger issue of what makes the Debian, GNU, and Linux > communities work? Yes, I have read lots of opinions, but I wonder if > anyone knows of some prope

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread ben
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:03:44 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [big snip] > Inherently violent society? No, can't be, because the US didn't > used to be violent. Maybe there was a "latently violent tendency" > (that's not present in many other societies) just waiting for soci- > etal b

Updated fqdn2domain -- Re: Swen reporting scripts

2003-11-15 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:54:25PM +, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:03:06AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > I've prepared a couple of scripts which I'm using to report swen headers > > and body to originating ISPs. > > > > - Scripts work on directory-based

Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 20:08, James Hosken wrote: > Hi > > I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 > graphics card. > > Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send > me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org.

Re: Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread Alec Berryman
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 20:08, James Hosken wrote: > Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send > me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org. Sorry for hitting the trigger early last time. I'm doing this now - check out http://www.holtmann.org/

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LILO help please

2003-11-15 Thread stan
I'm trying to recover from a hard drive failure on my main workstation. I posted to this list the other day, and recieved some very helpful replies, which I seem to have deleted, by mistak :-( In any cas, I've replaced the disk, partioned it, adn restored all of the files from an amanda backup. N

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:08:58PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 15:18 > Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: > "Red Hat r

Re: How to use ssh tunnel to reach a machine on a private network?

2003-11-15 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Oliver Elphick wrote: I wonder if anyone can help me work out how to do this, please: I have two private networks (192.168.1.0/24) each with a firewall machine connecting through ADSL to the Internet. Each private network can reach the Internet through the firewall (using NAT); therefore no machi

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:54:15AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > I wonder if, in some ways, the US isn't too big/diverse to be led > by any one person, and distinctive personalities can only emerge > on the state level. I've wondered how Canada ended u

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 15:18 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:57:21PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:23:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > compared to the taliban and the islamists, I cannot believe you are > > acusing *US* of advocating a theocracy. talk about head up the ass. > > We're not a whole lot better.

Re: Aptitude

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:53:31PM +, K Lowe wrote: > Dear Debian Users, > > I installed Debian 3.0r0 from a CD set onto a reformatted hard disk (hdb) > which involved, among others, the following procedures:- > (1) Did not chose tasksel. > (2) Did not chose dselect. > (3) Used apt-get to ins

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Alfredo Valles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 14:02 Subject: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > On Saturday 15 November 2003 2:30 pm, V

Re: What is required to deliver system mail locally ???

2003-11-15 Thread Michael D Schleif
Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:11:15:18:34:36+0100] scribed: > Hello > > Jacob S. (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:27:28 -0600 > > Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I have rerun eximconf, and told it to use option #4, that this >

Woody kernel upgrade

2003-11-15 Thread James Hosken
Hi I need to upgrade woody's kernel to 2.4.x so that I can run my Matrox G550 graphics card. Please can some one point me in the right direction of some instructions or send me some. The Kernal howto has been removed from debian.org. I'm using lilo, so what do I need to do to that after I have i

Re: Theoretical APT question

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 02:01:42PM -0800, Wm.G.McGrath wrote: > > Hi, > > Is there any way I can reset the directory/partition that apt uses > to install software? I believe it currently install packages under > /usr... and /var > > The history of *nix is very diverse and reflected in the (n

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 08:23:59PM -0800, Tom wrote: > compared to the taliban and the islamists, I cannot believe you are > acusing *US* of advocating a theocracy. talk about head up the ass. We're not a whole lot better. Remember the cold war and

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "David Palmer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 13:59 Subject: Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]] > On Sat, 15

Re: Faked Browser with Mozilla Firebird

2003-11-15 Thread Lance Simmons
* Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031115 17:30]: > > But I can't find the place to change UserAgentString in Mfirebird. > Where is it? I think it's one of the extensions you can download and install. -- Lance Simmons signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Conexant HCF modem driver for Debian 3.0r0 i386

2003-11-15 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello K Lowe (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > Dear Debian Users, > > I have just installed Debian 3.0r0 (Woody) for the first time. So far > I am very impressed with this Linux distribution, especially the > software package management system. However, I seek assistance with > regards to a 56k int

Re: mailfilter: installing under Debian

2003-11-15 Thread Joerg Jaspert
tags 217452 + wontfix thanks "Ross Boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judging by my own experience and posts on debian-user, it is not > obvious how to set up mailfilter properly on Debian. It would be good > to document this, or even to add it to the setup scripts. I am not > sure to what ex

Re: OT yahoo messenger for Woody

2003-11-15 Thread David Selby
David Selby wrote: OK this is a bit OT but I am stuck. I am trying to get Yahoo "messenger" working on woody. Apparently the package is for woody. http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html I installed it with dpkg -i, it did not show any dependency problems, when I run it I get:

snd-card-es18xx.o

2003-11-15 Thread Perro
Hi, I have a Debian Woody (2.4.18-bf2.4) over a Compaq Presario 1267. I'm fighting to install my soundcard with no success :( I know that the correct module is snd-card-es18xx.o which I downloaded form the Internet but all versions are for a previous kernel... please thow some light to this ne

Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

2003-11-15 Thread Jesse Meyer
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Justin Burke wrote: > Hi All, > > I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a > SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both > installation methods hang at the same point: > > "Loading kernel modules > > Detected module '

Re: Debian for enterprise

2003-11-15 Thread Jesse Meyer
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Robert Soricone wrote: > A computer network, that is currently using RedHat, is interested in migrating > to another distribution. Preferably, by April 30 2004. *Looks into crystal ball* I predict that you are using Redhat 9. [RH9 "end of life" is on that day. RH7.x an

gagging - Re: freelance sysadmining - other thread went bonkers

2003-11-15 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > ..sure, but Vikki also plans to sell customized boxes. > > On these, I would sell Sarge. > > And charge extra for anything else. ... > If the customer *insisted* on (*gag*) RH or Mandrake or something, I would > definitely charge extra. be prepa

Conexant HCF modem driver for Debian 3.0r0 i386

2003-11-15 Thread K Lowe
Dear Debian Users, I have just installed Debian 3.0r0 (Woody) for the first time. So far I am very impressed with this Linux distribution, especially the software package management system. However, I seek assistance with regards to a 56k internal modem. I would be most grateful if someone cou

Aptitude

2003-11-15 Thread K Lowe
Dear Debian Users, I installed Debian 3.0r0 from a CD set onto a reformatted hard disk (hdb) which involved, among others, the following procedures:- (1) Did not chose tasksel. (2) Did not chose dselect. (3) Used apt-get to install aptitude. (4) Used aptitude to install xserver-s3. (5) Used aptit

Re: dvd ripping tools

2003-11-15 Thread Micha Feigin
On Friday 14 November 2003 08:02, csj wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:40:11 +0200, > > Micha Feigin wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 17:23, Kevin Coyner wrote: > > > I need to (legimately) rip a few 30 sec clips from some DVD's > > > where I truly own the rights. The 30 sec clips will be used > >

Sociological question about Debian, GNU, and Linux

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
The recent discussions of Red Hat's change of policy got me thinking about the larger issue of what makes the Debian, GNU, and Linux communities work? Yes, I have read lots of opinions, but I wonder if anyone knows of some proper academic people studies, the sort of thing that might legitimately g

inetd vs. inetutils-inetd

2003-11-15 Thread Monique Y. Herman
I returned from vacation today and upgraded my unstable box. After doing so, I could no longer connect to my newsserver on localhost. After some poking around, I discovered that I had both /etc/init.d/inetd and /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd, both of which were running. I killed all related process

Re: Faked Browser with Mozilla Firebird

2003-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
> on Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 12:57:46AM -0800, Martin J. Hillyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > > > I've found an example of a problem apparently caused by the > > UserAgentString check. I recently switched to Mozilla-firebird, and > > found that after the switch, amazon.com wouldn't recognise m

Theoretical APT question

2003-11-15 Thread Wm . G . McGrath
Hi, Is there any way I can reset the directory/partition that apt uses to install software? I believe it currently install packages under /usr... and /var The history of *nix is very diverse and reflected in the (needless?) complexity of its directory structure. /usr is very large and used f

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 12:00, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:01:36AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:08, cr wrote: > > > > > > That's kinda a risky argument to rely on, since if accepted it inevitably > > > leads to the question - why does the US have ten times a

KDE desktop sharing through router

2003-11-15 Thread Trey Sizemore
I want to use the KDE Desktop sharing application, but have a Linksys router installed. So the IP address that the desktop sharing gives me is my internal IP. What do I need to do to authorize desktop sharing on the machine. I suppose I first need to find the IP assigned by my IP (in the Linksys

How to use ssh tunnel to reach a machine on a private network?

2003-11-15 Thread Oliver Elphick
I wonder if anyone can help me work out how to do this, please: I have two private networks (192.168.1.0/24) each with a firewall machine connecting through ADSL to the Internet. Each private network can reach the Internet through the firewall (using NAT); therefore no machine except the firewall

Re: ATI Radeon 9800 freezes after using X :1

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Steffl
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 07:49, TR wrote: > Is the last version of Xfree in sid supporting ati radeon 9800? Last I > had checked it was not yet, so I have fireglx from the ati site running, > which of course has created a lot of conflicts everytime that I run an > update. no it doesn't. I downloade

Re: Debian based working distribution

2003-11-15 Thread Mason Loring Bliss
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:42:35AM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote: > Since the current Debian sarge installation doesn't work (see > "debian-boot" list) and I need an installation fast I'm looking for > alternatives. Perhaps this won't work for you, but I did a minimal installation of Woody and then did

Re: Installation Help: SATA Drive

2003-11-15 Thread Erik Steffl
On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 17:15, Justin Burke wrote: > Hi All, > > I could use some help getting Debian installed on a new machine with a > SATA drive. I've downloaded CD images for both sarge and sid, and both > installation methods hang at the same point: > > "Loading kernel modules > > Detected m

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 10:01:36AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 05:08, cr wrote: > > > > That's kinda a risky argument to rely on, since if accepted it inevitably > > leads to the question - why does the US have ten times as many homicidal > > criminals per capita, than othe

Re: Social Engineering. {was: Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:23:51PM +0800, csj wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:35:54 -0600, > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 15:31, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Friday 14 November 2003 3:48 pm, David Palmer. wrote: > > [snip very good points] > > > > > > > The modern 'education

Re: Swen reporting scripts

2003-11-15 Thread Pigeon
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:03:06AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I've prepared a couple of scripts which I'm using to report swen headers > and body to originating ISPs. > > - Scripts work on directory-based mail folders (Maildir, MH, etc.). > *NOT* mbox. Sorry. Pipe the mbox into this q

Re: Salaries (was Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers")

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:26:49PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote: > > > On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > [snip]

Salaries (was Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers")

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 15:01, Tom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote: > > On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: [snip] > > I'm a "Developer" -- even though I started with VB and Access and

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 14:56, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:51:41PM +0800, csj wrote: > > I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. > > Cultural differences I guess. In most other countries, only war, > > crime

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 14:37, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:19:10PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > Personally, I think the whole federal government system is corrupted and > > bloated and it needs to be totally redone from scratch. Unfortunately, I'm > > prolly looking at thi

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: > Its not often that I agree with Tom. Should I be worried? It's my lot in life to be a thorn in the side. Everybody in the world identifies themselves by what camps they belong to. I argue in this bizarro style mostly to stir passi

Re: Debian for enterprise

2003-11-15 Thread Harshwardhan Nagaonkar
Roberto Sanchez wrote: Robert Soricone wrote: A computer network, that is currently using RedHat, is interested in migrating You may also want to look at systemimager, which lets you customize one client exaclty how you want it and then duplicate that install across a whole bunch of other machi

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 04:22:52PM -0800, Tom wrote: > Nothing would be learned by this experience. Just for the sheer, > anarchic, nonsensical bizarness of it. Try it. It's fun. I tried that once, and I became a very thin Eric Cartman. - -- .'

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:12:34PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > That movie's writer/director, Michael Moore, *hates* people who > don't agree with him. So, if you watch the movie, remember that. Search Google News for Michael Moore Lars Larson to hear

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 07:54:58PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > I think we as a plant need to play a fun game. For one week, everybody > ^ > > I think you've smoked a bit too much of the aforementioned weed Either that, o

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:51:41PM +0800, csj wrote: > I have never owned a gun and I haven't shot anyone either. > Cultural differences I guess. In most other countries, only war, > crime and drug lords are allowed to own guns. It keeps the world >

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Hoyt Bailey
- Original Message - From: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Debian-User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:59 Subject: Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium > On Sat, 2003-11-15 at 04:51, csj wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:32:22 -0600, > > Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > >

Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote: > On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > > > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less > > > > than what these people spend on the softw

Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium

2003-11-15 Thread Tom
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:51:41PM +0800, csj wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 17:32:22 -0600, > Hoyt Bailey wrote: > > > > > > [1] For those (particularly non-US citizens) who don't > > > > know, back in the mid-1990s, 2 white teenagers from a > > > > affluent family walked into their High School arm

Re: Opium [was: Re: freelance sysadmining -- superlong -- [WAS: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"]]

2003-11-15 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 03:19:10PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote: > Personally, I think the whole federal government system is corrupted and > bloated and it needs to be totally redone from scratch. Unfortunately, I'm > prolly looking at this like a hacker. :( The Federal government at least has the

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