> > I learned vi under SysVr3 and SysVr4 and didn't see much difference
> > under Slackware/elvis. Vim does have some annoying differences but
> > I can't remember the specifics. Emacs with viper-mode is pretty
> > faithful too.
>
> Emacs emulating vi? The only good thing about emacs is that
> "Boris" == Boris D Beletsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I planed of packaging mit-scheme too. Please decide whether your
> are going to pkg it and let me know.
Would you do it, please? I'm too new at this; I really don't know if
I have the knowledge to make a package yet. Mayb
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On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Vadim wrote:
Vadim> Two reasons emacs is slow: 1. Lisp (jed is faster than emacs
Vadim> because it uses S-Lang (however they spell it)).
My beloved Vadik, :) there is nothing objectively "fast" about slang
and nothing "slow" abo
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:32:07 -0600 (MDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>
>> I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-)
>>
>> I stopped keeping cuurent with these things.
>>
>> Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?
>
Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote:
>
> > My first question would be are these valid IP addresses or did you pick
> > arbitrary addresses for your local systems?
> As that question was asked by several people, the 192.168.101.x addresses
> are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and
I connect to the internet using my school PPP account which gives me a
user name not very close to my real name and chose to use my first name to
logon to my personal linux box. I would like to send email but have it
come from my school email name and not my localhost name. I have already
managed
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, mike horansky wrote:
> > It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
> > vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
> It is generally agreed in the computing mainstream that that kind of
> assumption willkeep unix out of the hands of
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> I learned vi under SysVr3 and SysVr4 and didn't see much difference
> under Slackware/elvis. Vim does have some annoying differences but
> I can't remember the specifics. Emacs with viper-mode is pretty
> faithful too.
Emacs emulating vi? The onl
On 15 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote:
> I do not know vi well but I do not see how it could be simpler than ctr-alt-s
> in emacs. There, while you are filling the regular expression you can see the
> text that the incomplete regular expression is matching. If you put one letter
> more and
Robert D. Hilliard wrote:
>
> It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
> vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
It is generally agreed in the computing mainstream that that kind of
assumption will keep unix out of the hands of the common
computer-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not
> have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was
> created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root.
>
> I would have expected that it should have created the files
> w
On Apr 15, Robert D. Hilliard wrote
> It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
>vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
>
> Apparently vi doesn't exist in Debian - vim, nvi, and elvis
>(maybe others) all like to have a symlink named vi pointing to
On Apr 15, Britton wrote
:
: Wow, you guys sure think fast :) But I know where you are coming from. I
: am a pretty speedy typist and have often been annoyed by odd keys. Now I
: am wondering: is there an easy way with emacs or some other editor to
: assign a short string to a 'wierd key'? I
On Apr 15, Leslie Mikesell wrote
> > It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
> > vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
>
> Apparently the people who generated the debian rescue disk don't agree
> or the recent editor wars wouldn't have happened on
> It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
> vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
Apparently the people who generated the debian rescue disk don't agree
or the recent editor wars wouldn't have happened on this list.
> Which of the vi semi-
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not
> have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was
> created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root.
>
> I would have expected that it should have created the files
> with the
It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use
vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly.
Apparently vi doesn't exist in Debian - vim, nvi, and elvis
(maybe others) all like to have a symlink named vi pointing to them.
A year ago when I was running Slack
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse.
This isn't quite about the interface, but about the package system
(may it just depends on the way it is implemented).
What I'd like to see is a way for the user to individuallt decide
whether he/she wants to install c
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A few days ago I posted an example of dselect not clearing the selection list
if a dir was replaced with another i.e. rex - bo. The example I used showed
that even though I wanted bo I was getting unstable. I did some checking
today and found, even though I tho
Hello,
I tried extracting a tar tape on a machine which did not
have the same users as the machine on which the tar tape was
created, it resulted in all the files created being owned by root.
I would have expected that it should have created the files
with the same uid/gids as on the original ma
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On 15-Apr-97 Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote:
>are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and
>193.135.252.179 were addresses assigned to me by my ISP. Both are routed
>from his machine, so if I try a traceroute from icemark to
>firefrancs new add
Peter,
Thank you for request for ideas and desires regarding the next
improvement to the debian package management system.
1. Scripts provided by the package writer should only have access to
files and directories specifically approved by the installer.
2.
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Look in /etc/ppp dir. And /etc/ppp.chatscript, /etc/ppp.options_out.
Then use pon and poff
On 13-Apr-97 Geoff R Deasey wrote:
>Is there a tool to set up ppp links or should I be doing things like
>#!/bin/sh
>PATH="/usr/bin:/usr/sbin"
>pppd connect chat -v -f /e
Wow, you guys sure think fast :) But I know where you are coming from. I
am a pretty speedy typist and have often been annoyed by odd keys. Now I
am wondering: is there an easy way with emacs or some other editor to
assign a short string to a 'wierd key'? I hate parenthesies for example
(I ca
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
>Adam Shand writes:
>> This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
>> like have 3 options.
...
>> ...and a full install ( the two before plus X windows).
>
>Thus the the true newbie, who wants most of all to dial up her ISP and u
> My first question would be are these valid IP addresses or did you pick
> arbitrary addresses for your local systems?
As that question was asked by several people, the 192.168.101.x addresses
are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and
193.135.252.179 were addresses assigne
Hi I am having trouble booting my linux box. when i do boot my system is
fine until it gets to the partition check. it says that /dev/hda3 has
errors in its file system. It puts me into single user mode and tells me
to fsck /dev/hda3. When i do that it gives me the following errors:
hda: irq ti
I have not know how to do what you ask but you might find
useful an article that appeared in the "Linux Means Bussiness" section
of The Linux Journal, issue November 1996. The article is called
"Running Progress on Linux". They also use the iBCS package.
Good luck.
E.-
> Subject: Oracle on Linux
Anyone using tcpdump or an 'ip-watcher' program on
a tokenring based network ??
I can't find support for it anywhere...
Matthew
Alexander Lobkovsky wrote:
>
> Yes, ppp.log says "terminating on signal ..."
>
> Perhaps the key piece of evidence is that everything *used* to work
> fine until I had to switch to pap-style authorization.
>
>Turn on debugging (pass 'debug' in options or on command line). Do
>you see a m
Subject: Oracle on Linux - Install scripts
Has anyone been successfull installing Oracle7.3 Workgroup
server for UnixWare or Oracle Webserver 2.1 on Linux
(RedHat, Debian or Caldera)
and care to share your experience/install scripts?
I know that it has been done on SCO UNIX and there is a docum
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Adam Shand writes:
> > This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
> > like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and
> > compilers),...
>
> How many newbies are going to want this?
> I suggest:
>
> 1) Basic Unix
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-)
>
> I stopped keeping cuurent with these things.
>
> Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?
Pro 200.
200 and 200 MMX will run it the same. MMX has extensions for mult
I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-)
I stopped keeping cuurent with these things.
Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?
--
...RickM...
Adam Shand writes:
> This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
> like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and
> compilers),...
How many newbies are going to want this?
> ...a network box (basic utilities and networking stuff, including
> p
Hi,
I've found a brochure by Allied Telesyn saying that linux supports these
netcards:
at1500
at2000 (ne2000 clone)
at2560 (10/100 Mbit, PCI)
I'm surprised, since I've never seen at2560 supported by kernel, and it mentions
at1700 as not supported (and I know they are).
Did anybody try at2560? Whic
> I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
> interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
> articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
> could post his/her working setup.
I use leafnode in conjunction with diald to allow for unattended
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> a key point to make here is that regexps aren't difficult to learn
> because of vi, they are difficult to learn because they are complex -
> but you MUST learn them if you want to have any proficiency with unix.
> vi actually makes them easier to learn b
Is legal if I copy the full DEBIAN distribution in a CD (ftp.debian.org)
and I give the CD to my friend?
Can I copy the "non-free" directory too?
I leave in Italy
Thanks and bye.
Andrea Arcangeli
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.imola.queen.it/user/arcangeli/
Debian GNU
_ _ _ ____
Yes, ppp.log says "terminating on signal ..."
Perhaps the key piece of evidence is that everything *used* to work
fine until I had to switch to pap-style authorization.
Turn on debugging (pass 'debug' in options or on command line). Do
you see a mesage in /var/log/ppp.log which says
T
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and
> > organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements
> > and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse.
>
> Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to ins
Michael J Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> something I need to do in the etc/passwd file to get the client to
> recognize the users and passwords?
Make sure you run `make' in /var/yp after you add users to the system.
This will update the NIS maps.
Also, make sure you have the following line
On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
> interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
> articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
> could post his/her working setup.
>
> Thanks a lot in
> The odds that Mr Iannarelli is starting this thread just to
> concentrate the flammage, flak and junk into one thread which he can
> easilly killfile is astronomical =) This is especially probable given his
> insistence on exact spelling in the subject...
Excuse me, but this is completely uncal
suck has an rpost function.
On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
> interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
> articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
> could post his/her work
Probably I'm going to say the obvious, but...
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rob MacWilliams wrote:
> 2. I know there has been much traffic about the interface
[...]
> Now all that is needed is a keystroke sequence to open and close the
> categories. The closest piece of software out now that would be
Hi,
At 10:43 AM 4/15/97 -0400, Paul Wade wrote:
>This is because they are using a remote email client (netscape, etc.)? If
>so that is a big part of the problem.
Right, we use a POP-3 client like Eudora or Netscape Mail to retrieve mail.
>Is this being caused because of spam and junk email?
No
I have to run beta kernels to get support for my hardware and
they work pretty well. But, everyone I've compiled always complains that
CONFIG_MIDI has not been declared or defined ... Does anyone have any
idea what I have to do to get it working? The kernels compile and run, of
course
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Lobkovsky wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don' think this came up before. My ISP changed to a pap style
> > authorization and the only thigs I had to change was to add a 'user
> > guest' line to the /etc/ppp.options_out file and a line '* *
>
On 15 Apr 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
> interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
> articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
> could post his/her working setup.
>
> Thanks a lot in
Hello
yesterday the upgrade to version 1.2.9 was done at my home box resulting
in user access problems to /dev/fd0 which are 660 as default using
mtools.
I remember with debian version 1.2.2 I fixed this problem setting the
binary of mtools to ownership of root.floppy and havi
On Apr 15, Andy Spiegl wrote
> I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
> interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
> articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
> could post his/her working setup.
If you have INN up and running, try
Hi!
I thought about using suck to download the news articles I am
interested in as soon as a PPP is up. But how do I post my own
articles back to the net? I would really be grateful if someone
could post his/her working setup.
Thanks a lot in advance!
Andy.
On Apr 15, Remco van de Meent wrote
> I'm using Debian 1.2, patched up to level 9, together with qmail-1.00,
> majordomo-1.94.1 (patched for use with qmail) and hypermail-1.02-2.
Once upon a long ago, the Debian lists' web archive was based on hypermail.
Unfortunately, hypermail began to exhibit c
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
> That just about somes it up
>
> If the router sends, receives or carries a ping flood (ping -f or ping -l
> 65510) pppd dies. I'm unable to hang-up the modem from anything I do in
> telnet. (serial ports have no DTR line) After I flash the power on t
Hello everyone.
My company has around 70 e-mail users of which some of them retrieve their
e-mail via a dial-up (SLIP or PPP) connection.
We are concerned about the size of e-mail messages because users are
sending huge attachments in their messages so people dialing in stay
connected for long ti
Wichert Akkerman writes:
[snip for brevity]
> Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to install
> 25 Linux machines here a while ago and it is a pain to select to same
> package every time in dpkg. I would like to be table to create a file
> with a list of packages I want to i
I purchased on of the Cheap bytes CDs a few weeks back (Debian 1.2) and
want to report on my success using it.
My problem:
I wanted to make a full blown recovery system by using a EZ 135
removable SCSI HD.
Solution:
I did an initial install from the CD to the EZ135. I partitioned
the drive i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > When I run less in an xterm, it seems to save the image of whatever is
> > in the window, display whatever it's displaying, and then restore the
> > image.
[snip]
> You just have to use "less -X". Or better, put -X in the environment
> variable called LESS, so that
Anyone have any tips for uninstalling StarOffice-3.1? I've undone
everything I did, but I don't know what the "setup" program did other
than add the ~/StarOffice-3.1 directory. I guess my main worry is
what "setup" did to the fonts.
Thanks
Paul Serice
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:00:00 +0200 Wichert Akkerman
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and
> > organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements
> > and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse.
>
> Here's a simple one: the abilit
> This thread is being issued to provide all individuals and
> organizations an opportunity to voice their requirements
> and concerns. So fire away. Keep it short and terse.
Here's a simple one: the ability to create a tagfile. We had to install
25 Linux machines here a while ago and it is a pain
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Karl wrote:
Karl> I was thinking about trying to do my first Debian package, of
Karl> MIT-Scheme. I've found it to be the best scheme interpretter
Karl> out there for a person who is just beginning to learn the
Karl> language, since it's the one many of the Scheme
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote:
> Wichert Akkerman wrote:
>
> > A warning to everyone trying to run new kernels: the current modutils
> > implementation does not work with the latest kernel recent. For the
> > stable kernels everything up to and including 2.0.29 seems to work
>
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> A warning to everyone trying to run new kernels: the current modutils
> implementation does not work with the latest kernel recent. For the
> stable kernels everything up to and including 2.0.29 seems to work
> fine. 2.0.30 however does not work. For the 2.1 series there
Hey
I'm using Debian 1.2, patched up to level 9, together with qmail-1.00,
majordomo-1.94.1 (patched for use with qmail) and hypermail-1.02-2.
I'm trying to get archives updated on the fly. Right now, I'm updated the
hypermail archive every hour from an mbox-textfile.
When I have a message sent
Portmapper is usefull (and not essential) only for rpc apps. Ftp and
telnet are not rpc programs and do not interact with portmapper.
Check your ip connectivety, can you ping the other site? If no, check
the network interface and route tables for both machines, then inspect
the cable, io car
Yeah, I can see a Stanford - Berkeley ball game with one side yelling
VI and then other side yelling EMACS ... or was it Giants and A's
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:
>
> But this discussion tends to be religious ;-)
>
> Heiko
> --
> email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PRO
On Apr 14, Philippe Troin wrote
:
: On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
: ) wrote:
:
: > Well, in vi you can do:
: > 1G Go to the beginning
: > :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/ (if I remember it right)
: > Still better...
:
: To be a purist, t
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ) wrote:
>
> > Well, in vi you can do:
> > 1G Go to the beginning
> > :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/ (if I remember it right)
> > Still better...
>
> To be
That just about somes it up
If the router sends, receives or carries a ping flood (ping -f or ping -l
65510) pppd dies. I'm unable to hang-up the modem from anything I do in
telnet. (serial ports have no DTR line) After I flash the power on the modem
I can telnet in and "/etc/init.d/ppp start
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:34:53 +0300 Vadim Vygonets ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
) wrote:
> Well, in vi you can do:
> 1GGo to the beginning
> :%s/129.168.1/129.168.200/(if I remember it right)
> Still better...
To be a purist, the 1G isn't necessary.
But your regexp will also
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> Ralph Winslow wrote:
>
> > > emacs:
> > >
> > > M-< ; go to beginning of file
> > > C-x ( ; start recording kbd macro
> > > C-s 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1
> > > M-b M-b M-b ; go back thr
Hee!!!
The odds that Mr Iannarelli is starting this thread just to
concentrate the flammage, flak and junk into one thread which he can
easilly killfile is astronomical =) This is especially probable given his
insistence on exact spelling in the subject...
Hahahahahah What a lame thread.
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Lobkovsky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don' think this came up before. My ISP changed to a pap style
> authorization and the only thigs I had to change was to add a 'user
> guest' line to the /etc/ppp.options_out file and a line '* *
> password' to the /etc/ppp/pap-secret
On 14 Apr 1997, Kai Grossjohann wrote:
> > Craig Sanders writes:
>
> vi:
>
> Craig> 1G # move to start of file
> Craig> /192.168.1 # search for 192.168.1
> Craig> 5cw192.168.200 # change 5 'words' to 192.168.2
> Craig> n # find next
> Craig> .
I just gave up on apsfilter and used magicfilter instead. Everything
worked instantly. I'd submit a bug report for apsfilter but I still don't
have the foggiest idea what exactly was wrong.
-- Jaldhar
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:30:24 EDT "Eloy A. Paris" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
ll.com) wrote:
> I would like to know which program Debian users recommend me to use.
>
> I am a little bit concerned about using dump since I read this in the
> changelog file in /usr/doc/dump:
>
> I remind you that du
>2. I know there has been much traffic about the interface, but I think
the >best I've seen for this type of material is a nested list of packages.
Start >the top with all packages, then go to stable, contrib, non-free...
After that >break them down by group, i.e. admin, base, ... The thread
tha
Hi all,
Since the gentleman requested, and will soon be deluged with mail, I decided to
get my two cents
in early.
1. Please include a download status indicator. i.e. time remaining. I am
using a link that only lasts
three hours, and then shuts down. An indication of how much time is
nee
I was thinking about trying to do my first Debian package, of
MIT-Scheme. I've found it to be the best scheme interpretter out
there for a person who is just beginning to learn the language, since
it's the one many of the Scheme textbooks assume you have. And, I
like its interface to the emacse
On 14 Apr 1997, Kai Grossjohann wrote:
> Well, vi is not the only choice. If they're using X, why don't you
> tell them to use xedit? It's about as braindead as pico but can do
> search and replace, so it should be very easy to use.
To take this silly editor thread a bit off-topic (and away fro
Hi,
I am getting ready to start backing up my production Debian GNU/Linux
boxes and I am considering both dump/restore and taper as my backup
software.
I would like to know which program Debian users recommend me to use.
I am a little bit concerned about using dump since I read this in the
chang
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> I beg to differ the emacs case:
>
> M-< ; go to beginning of file
> M-% ; query-replace
> 129.168.1 RET ; search for 192.168.1
> 129.168.200 RET ; replace with 129.168.200
> !
On 14 Apr 1997, Linh Dang wrote:
> Yesterday, I booted up my buzz (Debian-1.1) box and surprise ! I in root
> account with right away !
>
> An `ls -l' on the root dir showed my that `/sbin/' is now a huge _FILE_
>
> I can't read floppy, cdroms ... because I can't load modules since insmod
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote:
> The new setup should look like:
>
> ISP My systems
>
> lisa.thenet.ch icemark.thenet.ch firefranc.thenet.ch
> <--- ppp0 ---> <--- eth0 --->
> 193.135.252.75 193.135.252.47
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