Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-03 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to Razor; > rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting legitimate > email as Spam to Razor? Well, AFAICT razor seems to derive keyword

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-03 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to Razor; > rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting legitimate > email as Spam to Razor? Well, AFAICT razor seems to derive keyword

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Hubert Chan
> "Sven" == IT <- Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes: [...] >> Scenario 1. >> >> You are a debian user, but you don't subscribe to any debian lists. >> Suddenly you suspect you have a security issue. You immediately dash >> off an email to the debian-security list hoping someone ther

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Hubert Chan
> "Sven" == IT <- Sven Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes: [...] >> Scenario 1. >> >> You are a debian user, but you don't subscribe to any debian lists. >> Suddenly you suspect you have a security issue. You immediately dash >> off an email to the debian-security list hoping someone ther

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Santiago Vila
Raymond Wood wrote: > Alright, based on what you say then, I will assume that it is > fine to *manually* forward obvious Spams received via the debian > lists to Razor via the 'spamassassin -r' command. I only report > the definite Spams that are not already being caught by > Spamassassin. > > If

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:52:27PM +0100, Kjetil Kjernsmo remarked: > On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to > > Razor; rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting > > legitimate email as Spam to Razor? > Right! And,

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Tim Haynes
Kjetil Kjernsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Aside: I do that by having a line href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"> in many web pages, and that > works excellently, this address is harvested and spammed, and when that > happens, the intention is that subsequent mail is stopped. This markup > may no

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to Razor; > rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting legitimate > email as Spam to Razor? Right! And, if they are not spammers who do this (see my other mail), then it might well

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:11:41AM -0600, Nathan E Norman remarked: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:48:23AM -0500, Raymond Wood wrote: > > This makes sense to me, so I can accept the Spam I receive > > through the debian lists. One thing I'm still unclear about > > though is the recent post from som

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Monday 02 December 2002 18:11, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Some people[1] report non-spam as spam to razor. For example, > several security announcements from Debian have found their way into > the razor database. This is obviously stupid. > > [1] At least, we think they are people, but the leve

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:48:23AM -0500, Raymond Wood wrote: > This makes sense to me, so I can accept the Spam I receive > through the debian lists. One thing I'm still unclear about > though is the recent post from someone who requested that people > *not* report Spam received through the debia

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Santiago Vila
Raymond Wood wrote: > Alright, based on what you say then, I will assume that it is > fine to *manually* forward obvious Spams received via the debian > lists to Razor via the 'spamassassin -r' command. I only report > the definite Spams that are not already being caught by > Spamassassin. > > If

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:37:54PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller remarked: > On Monday 02 December 2002 16:43, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > > > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of > > > users is allowed to post here.

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 December 2002 16:43, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of users is allowed > > to post here. A pointer to a previous discussi

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:52:27PM +0100, Kjetil Kjernsmo remarked: > On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to > > Razor; rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting > > legitimate email as Spam to Razor? > Right! And,

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Tim Haynes
Kjetil Kjernsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (Aside: I do that by having a line href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";> in many web pages, and that > works excellently, this address is harvested and spammed, and when that > happens, the intention is that subsequent mail is stopped. This markup > may n

Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:54:34PM +0100, "Janßen, Dirk" wrote: > Ich bin erst am 03.12.2002 wieder im Haus. Bei dringenden dienstlichen > Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an Herrn Igor Spanz > (mailto:), Tel. -368. > === > I am absent ti

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Monday 02 December 2002 18:25, Raymond Wood wrote: > OK, so the problem is not with reporting genuine Spam to Razor; > rather the problem is with incorrectly reporting legitimate > email as Spam to Razor? Right! And, if they are not spammers who do this (see my other mail), then it might well

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of users is allowed to > post here. A pointer to a previous discussion would be enough for me, but I > couldn't find one in the archives (maybe I'm using the wrong keywords in

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:11:41AM -0600, Nathan E Norman remarked: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:48:23AM -0500, Raymond Wood wrote: > > This makes sense to me, so I can accept the Spam I receive > > through the debian lists. One thing I'm still unclear about > > though is the recent post from som

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Monday 02 December 2002 18:11, Nathan E Norman wrote: > Some people[1] report non-spam as spam to razor. For example, > several security announcements from Debian have found their way into > the razor database. This is obviously stupid. > > [1] At least, we think they are people, but the leve

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:48:23AM -0500, Raymond Wood wrote: > This makes sense to me, so I can accept the Spam I receive > through the debian lists. One thing I'm still unclear about > though is the recent post from someone who requested that people > *not* report Spam received through the debia

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Raymond Wood
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:37:54PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller remarked: > On Monday 02 December 2002 16:43, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > > > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of > > > users is allowed to post here.

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 02 December 2002 16:43, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of users is allowed > > to post here. A pointer to a previous discussi

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 23:48, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: [why non-subscribed users are allowed to post to the list is a FAQ, but there is no compiled FAQ on this list which covers that question] > > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > > > not find a FAQ for t

Re: Abwesenheitsnotiz: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:54:34PM +0100, "Janßen, Dirk" wrote: > Ich bin erst am 03.12.2002 wieder im Haus. Bei dringenden dienstlichen > Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an Herrn Igor Spanz > (mailto:), Tel. -368. > === > I am absent ti

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:21:28PM +0100, IT - Sven Mueller wrote: > However, I am not really able to tell why this kind of users is allowed to > post here. A pointer to a previous discussion would be enough for me, but I > couldn't find one in the archives (maybe I'm using the wrong keywords in

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-12-02 Thread IT - Sven Mueller
On Tuesday 26 November 2002 23:48, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: [why non-subscribed users are allowed to post to the list is a FAQ, but there is no compiled FAQ on this list which covers that question] > > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > > > not find a FAQ for t

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:50:16PM +0100, Thomas Fischer wrote: > hi Ted > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:19:43AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > > Hmmm, my bad > > > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > > not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? > > > > not a faq, but i

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:50:16PM +0100, Thomas Fischer wrote: > hi Ted > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:19:43AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > > Hmmm, my bad > > > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > > not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? > > > > not a faq, but i

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Fischer
hi Ted On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:19:43AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > Hmmm, my bad > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? > not a faq, but i think solutions disscussed here go there: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#secu

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Thomas Fischer
hi Ted On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:19:43AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > Hmmm, my bad > > No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could > not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? > not a faq, but i think solutions disscussed here go there: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#secu

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Ted Parvu
Hmmm, my bad No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? I have been on this list for a few months now and I find it informative enough to stay subscribed but I have to admit there is a fair amount of noise to which I am now adding. :(

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:08:40AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > This is a test to see if a non-subscribed user can > post to the debian security list. > > This is only a test. If you are reading this, then > the answer is yes and that just doesn't seem > right. *plonk* This has been discusse

test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Ted Parvu
This is a test to see if a non-subscribed user can post to the debian security list. This is only a test. If you are reading this, then the answer is yes and that just doesn't seem right. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affor

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Ted Parvu
Hmmm, my bad No need to dredge up an old topic. However, I could not find a FAQ for this list? Does one exist? I have been on this list for a few months now and I find it informative enough to stay subscribed but I have to admit there is a fair amount of noise to which I am now adding. :(

Re: test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 08:08:40AM -0800, Ted Parvu wrote: > This is a test to see if a non-subscribed user can > post to the debian security list. > > This is only a test. If you are reading this, then > the answer is yes and that just doesn't seem > right. *plonk* This has been discusse

test of non-subscribed user

2002-11-26 Thread Ted Parvu
This is a test to see if a non-subscribed user can post to the debian security list. This is only a test. If you are reading this, then the answer is yes and that just doesn't seem right. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affor