Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >John Galt wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >> >> >John Galt wrote: >> >> >> >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is >> >> internal >> >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirecte

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread Martin Schulze
John Galt wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: > > >John Galt wrote: > >> > >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal > >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. > > > >Err... you have noticed that there are already t

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >John Galt wrote: >> >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. > >Err... you have noticed that there are already two people filling >this position,

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread Martin Schulze
John Galt wrote: > > It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal > to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. Err... you have noticed that there are already two people filling this position, haven't you? Regards, Joey -- This is

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The whole problem here is they DIDN'T ask you. You threw in your two >> cents worth without a corresponding pledge of support. > >It's a public mailing list, and I was simply contributing my >suggestion. Y

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-23 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The whole problem here is they DIDN'T ask you. You threw in your two > cents worth without a corresponding pledge of support. It's a public mailing list, and I was simply contributing my suggestion. You decided it should be a big Federal case. I'll ma

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> They aren't reasonable things to add at the last minute. The search >> happened, AFAICT there is a candidate, yet you had to object now. If it >> was so reasonable, why didn't you mention it when it came up

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They aren't reasonable things to add at the last minute. The search > happened, AFAICT there is a candidate, yet you had to object now. If it > was so reasonable, why didn't you mention it when it came up? > Reasonableness cannot be applied to concepts

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> >> >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical >> >> barriers at this office isn't

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >John Galt wrote: >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >> >> >John Galt wrote: >> >> >> >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal >> >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. >>

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Martin Schulze
John Galt wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: > > >John Galt wrote: > >> > >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal > >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. > > > >Err... you have noticed that there are already

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > >> barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > > > >How is it a barrier?

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Martin Schulze wrote: >John Galt wrote: >> >> It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal >> to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. > >Err... you have noticed that there are already two people filling >this position

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Martin Schulze
John Galt wrote: > > It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal > to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. Err... you have noticed that there are already two people filling this position, haven't you? Regards, Joey -- This is

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The whole problem here is they DIDN'T ask you. You threw in your two >> cents worth without a corresponding pledge of support. > >It's a public mailing list, and I was simply contributing my >suggestion.

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The whole problem here is they DIDN'T ask you. You threw in your two > cents worth without a corresponding pledge of support. It's a public mailing list, and I was simply contributing my suggestion. You decided it should be a big Federal case. I'll m

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> They aren't reasonable things to add at the last minute. The search >> happened, AFAICT there is a candidate, yet you had to object now. If it >> was so reasonable, why didn't you mention it when it came u

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They aren't reasonable things to add at the last minute. The search > happened, AFAICT there is a candidate, yet you had to object now. If it > was so reasonable, why didn't you mention it when it came up? > Reasonableness cannot be applied to concept

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> >> >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical >> >> barriers at this office isn'

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > >> barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > > > >How is it a barrier

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jason Thomas wrote: >only one thing, does this have to go to both lists, I'm alot of messages >twice, and yes they have different me

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical >> barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > >How is it a barrier? It's an extra qualification. It's one that until you

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Jason Thomas
only one thing, does this have to go to both lists, I'm alot of messages twice, and yes they have different message id's. On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:43:05AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throw

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
It really didn't need to go to -devel in the first place: this is internal to debian-security until there's a candidate. Folloups redirected. On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Jason Thomas wrote: >only one thing, does this have to go to both lists, I'm alot of messages >twice, and yes they have different m

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 22 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical >> barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > >How is it a barrier? It's an extra qualification. It's one that until yo

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Jason Thomas
only one thing, does this have to go to both lists, I'm alot of messages twice, and yes they have different message id's. On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:43:05AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Thro

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:23:24AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Colin Phipps wrote: > >The "barriers" to becoming a developer are mainly commitment to the > >project and to the social contract, both of which should be > >requirements for any security secretary. It doesn't imply pa

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. How is it a barrier?

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 08:23:24AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Colin Phipps wrote: > >The "barriers" to becoming a developer are mainly commitment to the > >project and to the social contract, both of which should be > >requirements for any security secretary. It doesn't imply p

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Robert van der Meulen
Hi, Quoting Colin Phipps ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > > barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > The "barriers" to becoming a developer are mainly co

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Colin Phipps wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: >> On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? >> >> >> >>No. It is my understanding th

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. How is it a barrier? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Colin Phipps
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > >> > >>No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh > >>blood"

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? >> >>No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh >>blood" in the team. Working on security can cost a lot of time, >>thus it

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Robert van der Meulen
Hi, Quoting Colin Phipps ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > > I take it then that you volunteer. If not, shut up. Throwing artifical > > barriers at this office isn't going to add volunteers. > The "barriers" to becoming a developer are mainly c

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Colin Phipps wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: >> On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >> >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? >> >> >> >>No. It is my understanding t

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Colin Phipps
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:12:57AM -0600, John Galt wrote: > On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > >> > >>No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh > >>blood

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread John Galt
On 21 Oct 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: >Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? >> >>No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh >>blood" in the team. Working on security can cost a lot of time, >>thus i

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Petro
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:40:45AM +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > > developer. > > > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > > > Unnghhh... > 'Card-carrying' sounds

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:40:45AM +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > > developer. > > > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > > > Unnghhh... > 'Card-carrying' sound

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-22 Thread Lauri Tischler
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > developer. > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > Unnghhh... 'Card-carrying' sounds like fiery-eyed anarchist or extreme left revolutionary, some kind of luddite the

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Petro
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:40:45AM +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > > developer. > > > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > > > Unnghhh... > 'Card-carrying' sound

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:40:45AM +0300, Lauri Tischler wrote: > Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > > developer. > > > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > > > Unnghhh... > 'Card-carrying' soun

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Lauri Tischler
Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > I think the security secretary, if we have one, should be a Debian > > developer. > > We have two of them, and they are both card-carrying developers. > Unnghhh... 'Card-carrying' sounds like fiery-eyed anarchist or extreme left revolutionary, some kind of luddite th

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread orly-fu
Are they both around 20 years of age and steaming hot ? - like the ones we all hope wish we had as receptionists in our corps ? =) -xbud On Sunday 21 October 2001 04:52 pm, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thoma

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread orly-fu
Are they both around 20 years of age and steaming hot ? - like the ones we all hope wish we had as receptionists in our corps ? =) -xbud On Sunday 21 October 2001 04:52 pm, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thom

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > > > > > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "f

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > > > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh > >blood" in the team. Working on security can c

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > > > > > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:23:03AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > > > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh > >blood" in the team. Working on security can

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh >blood" in the team. Working on security can cost a lot of time, >thus it could even be helpful not being a Debian developer

Re: Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-10-21 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? > >No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh >blood" in the team. Working on security can cost a lot of time, >thus it could even be helpful not being a Debian developer

Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-09-24 Thread Martin Schulze
I'm awfully sorry for the delay, but I wasn't able to work on this earlier again. Here's a list of questions and answers that came up with the posting I made last week. Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh blood" in

Questions regarding the Security Secretary Position

2001-09-24 Thread Martin Schulze
I'm awfully sorry for the delay, but I wasn't able to work on this earlier again. Here's a list of questions and answers that came up with the posting I made last week. Q: Is a requirement being a Debian developer? No. It is my understanding that it would be good to have "fresh blood" in